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Where and when were armed Gardaí pursuing suspects at, allegedly, what amounts to 150 MPH? Rubensni 11:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
"Members of the ERU receive training with police forces in other countries, including the United States (including the FBI), Germany and the United Kingdom"
Evidence exists for individual members being trained abroad
"Members of the Garda Emergency Response Unit have travelled to the Los Angeles sheriff's office for training in the use of the three [less lethal] weapons, and are currently training their colleagues in the unit on how to use the devices". [1] Rubensni 16:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
"They were strongly condemned in the Barr Tribunal investigating John's death."
No member of the Gardaí was prosecuted for Mr Carthy's murder and the final report of Justice Barr stated the following: "I am satisfied that responsibility for his [Carthy's] death rests primarily with the scene commanders and to a lesser extent with the ERU tactical commander for reasons stated elsewhere in this chapter." [2] It was Garda management that were criticised primarily for their failings on that day and not the ERU as a unit, and for this reason I would propose removing the sentence above from the article.
Rubensni 14:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
"In more recent times they have received praise for their reaction to similar incidents and their use of less lethal weapons."
Who has praised the ERU? Rubensni 11:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I would propose deleting both of these sections unless references for each piece of equipment is provided. Rubensni 11:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
(deindent). Firstly, any chance you can temper your tone a little? And avoid shouting? I didn't write the items that you appear to have issue with. I am the first person to request sources when something seems "opinionated", so please don't direct your pointed requests for references at me. (To my knowledge most of the weapons detail was written by a Defence Forces rep from the ARW who trains with the ERU). Cheers.
Secondly. On the comment that the ERU would not (strictly) label itself a SWAT unit. This is probably true. The Gardaí describe the ERU as a "specialist armed intervention unit". However, there is no universal and all-encompassing term for police tactical teams which provide this type of support. And, "specialist armed intervention unit" would seem pretty close to the term SWAT? Wouldn't you think? To the extent that the reader will understand the co-relation? "SWAT" is pretty much universally understood, and elements of the justice dept and of the media relate the ERU with the SWAT concept. Probably so that people recognise what is being discussed. There is no reason for not doing the same here. (A lot of articles on similar tactical police units draw the same co-relation).
Finally, with regard to the Abbeylara weapons ref. There are actually quite a few. Including the Barr Tribunal reports themselves. But here's a simple one for the Uzis, HKs, and Sigs: http://www.barrtribunal.ie/OpenStatement.html: "D/Garda McCabe was in possession of an Uzi sub-machine gun, D/Garda Sisk was in possession of a Heckler & Koch 33 assault rifle and D/Sergeant Michael Jackson was in possession of a Sig Sauer pistol." Beyond this, on the two pics on the article page, the ERU members are carrying Uzis and Sigs respectively. Cheers. Guliolopez 12:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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This article has some unreferenced statements. Each tagged statement that is not backed up is discussed below:
Where and when were armed Gardaí pursuing suspects at, allegedly, what amounts to 150 MPH? Rubensni 11:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
"Members of the ERU receive training with police forces in other countries, including the United States (including the FBI), Germany and the United Kingdom"
Evidence exists for individual members being trained abroad
"Members of the Garda Emergency Response Unit have travelled to the Los Angeles sheriff's office for training in the use of the three [less lethal] weapons, and are currently training their colleagues in the unit on how to use the devices". [1] Rubensni 16:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
"They were strongly condemned in the Barr Tribunal investigating John's death."
No member of the Gardaí was prosecuted for Mr Carthy's murder and the final report of Justice Barr stated the following: "I am satisfied that responsibility for his [Carthy's] death rests primarily with the scene commanders and to a lesser extent with the ERU tactical commander for reasons stated elsewhere in this chapter." [2] It was Garda management that were criticised primarily for their failings on that day and not the ERU as a unit, and for this reason I would propose removing the sentence above from the article.
Rubensni 14:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
"In more recent times they have received praise for their reaction to similar incidents and their use of less lethal weapons."
Who has praised the ERU? Rubensni 11:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I would propose deleting both of these sections unless references for each piece of equipment is provided. Rubensni 11:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
(deindent). Firstly, any chance you can temper your tone a little? And avoid shouting? I didn't write the items that you appear to have issue with. I am the first person to request sources when something seems "opinionated", so please don't direct your pointed requests for references at me. (To my knowledge most of the weapons detail was written by a Defence Forces rep from the ARW who trains with the ERU). Cheers.
Secondly. On the comment that the ERU would not (strictly) label itself a SWAT unit. This is probably true. The Gardaí describe the ERU as a "specialist armed intervention unit". However, there is no universal and all-encompassing term for police tactical teams which provide this type of support. And, "specialist armed intervention unit" would seem pretty close to the term SWAT? Wouldn't you think? To the extent that the reader will understand the co-relation? "SWAT" is pretty much universally understood, and elements of the justice dept and of the media relate the ERU with the SWAT concept. Probably so that people recognise what is being discussed. There is no reason for not doing the same here. (A lot of articles on similar tactical police units draw the same co-relation).
Finally, with regard to the Abbeylara weapons ref. There are actually quite a few. Including the Barr Tribunal reports themselves. But here's a simple one for the Uzis, HKs, and Sigs: http://www.barrtribunal.ie/OpenStatement.html: "D/Garda McCabe was in possession of an Uzi sub-machine gun, D/Garda Sisk was in possession of a Heckler & Koch 33 assault rifle and D/Sergeant Michael Jackson was in possession of a Sig Sauer pistol." Beyond this, on the two pics on the article page, the ERU members are carrying Uzis and Sigs respectively. Cheers. Guliolopez 12:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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