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Gaochang is faraway from Taklamkan desert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.171.178.135 ( talk) 04:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 闞伯周 Kàn Bózhōu | 460- 477 | Did not exist |
Did not exist | 闞義成 Kàn Yìchéng | 477- 478 | Did not exist |
Did not exist | 闞首歸 Kàn Shǒugūi |
478-
488? or 478- 491? |
Did not exist |
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 張孟明 Zhāng Mèngmíng |
488?-
496 or 491?- 496 |
Did not exist |
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 馬儒 Mǎ Rú | 496- 501 | Did not exist |
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 麴嘉 Qú Jiā | 501- 525 | |
Did not exist | 麴光 Qú Guāng | 525- 530 | Ganlu (甘露 Gānlù) 525- 530 |
Did not exist | 麴坚 Qú Jiān | 530- 548 | Zhanghe (章和 Zhānghé) 531- 548 |
Did not exist | 麴玄喜 Qú Xuánxǐ | 549- 550 | Yongping (永平 Yǒngpíng) 549- 550 |
Did not exist | unnamed son of Qu Xuanxi | 551- 554 | Heping (和平 Hépíng) 551- 554 |
Did not exist | 麴宝茂 Qú Bǎomào | 555- 560 | Jianchang (建昌 Jiànchāng) 555- 560 |
Did not exist | 麴乾固 Qú Qiángù | 560- 601 | Yanchang (延昌 Yánchāng) 561- 601 |
Did not exist | 麴伯雅 Qú Bóyǎ |
601-
613 619- 623 |
Yanhe (延和 Yánhé)
602-
613 Zhongguang (重光 Zhòngguāng) 620- 623 |
Did not exist | unnamed usurper | 613- 619 | Yihe (Yìhé 義和) 614- 619 |
Did not exist | 麴文泰 Qú Wéntài | 623- 640 | Yanshou (延壽 Yánshòu) 624- 640 |
Did not exist | 麴智盛 Qú Zhìshèng | 640 | did not exist |
Can someone explain this phrase?
If he was dead, how did he submit to Gaoche overlordship? Something's off here and it needs someone who knows the history to fix it. - Fenevad ( talk) 03:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Surely in 1209 Gaochang fell under the Mongol Empire, not the Yuan Dynasty, which was declared in 1271. Sometimes people from China use the terms interchangeably, but this is not done in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.210.30 ( talk) 19:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
It's Astonishing how much of the history that has been revised by the Chinese communists is present in this article....If the so called 'Han' Chinese played such a major part in the history of goacheng then where is the evidence, the hard evidence for which most of the historical theories are based on, as far as I am aware the majority of manuscripts, paintings and ruins bear no similarity with the Han chinese culture...Its just absurd how these people are manipulating the history in order to serve their on purpose on the political stage... — Preceding
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143.167.192.164 (
talk) 03:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I just ran across the name 'Gaocheng' (referring to Gaochang ruins) in Paul Theroux's travel writings ("To The Ends of The Earth" compilation), used several times so i dont think its just a typo. Not sure if this is an alternate spelling or what. I've added a disambig at the other article ( Gaocheng), fwiw. By the way, Theroux also uses the spelling 'Turfan' for Turpan (and yes I'm familiar with the concept of different spellings due to transliteration). El duderino ( abides) 02:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
The Qu family ruling Gaochang were of Chinese origin, but were allied to the Turkic Khanates and intermarried with the Turkic ruling families. Qu Boya (Ch'ü Boya)'s grandmother was Turkic.
page 57
page 87
The Qu and Gaochang adopted Turkic nomadic customs to have good relations with their neighbors and avoid trouble but sought to revert to Chinese customs when the Sui came to power
Qu Boya married a Sui princess
http://www.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takata/BerlinQieyun.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=8FVsWq31MtMC&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q&f=false
Chinese cultural influence since Gaochang was founded
21:56, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
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Gaochang is faraway from Taklamkan desert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.171.178.135 ( talk) 04:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 闞伯周 Kàn Bózhōu | 460- 477 | Did not exist |
Did not exist | 闞義成 Kàn Yìchéng | 477- 478 | Did not exist |
Did not exist | 闞首歸 Kàn Shǒugūi |
478-
488? or 478- 491? |
Did not exist |
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 張孟明 Zhāng Mèngmíng |
488?-
496 or 491?- 496 |
Did not exist |
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 馬儒 Mǎ Rú | 496- 501 | Did not exist |
Temple names | Family names and given name | Durations of reigns | Era names and their according durations |
---|---|---|---|
Did not exist | 麴嘉 Qú Jiā | 501- 525 | |
Did not exist | 麴光 Qú Guāng | 525- 530 | Ganlu (甘露 Gānlù) 525- 530 |
Did not exist | 麴坚 Qú Jiān | 530- 548 | Zhanghe (章和 Zhānghé) 531- 548 |
Did not exist | 麴玄喜 Qú Xuánxǐ | 549- 550 | Yongping (永平 Yǒngpíng) 549- 550 |
Did not exist | unnamed son of Qu Xuanxi | 551- 554 | Heping (和平 Hépíng) 551- 554 |
Did not exist | 麴宝茂 Qú Bǎomào | 555- 560 | Jianchang (建昌 Jiànchāng) 555- 560 |
Did not exist | 麴乾固 Qú Qiángù | 560- 601 | Yanchang (延昌 Yánchāng) 561- 601 |
Did not exist | 麴伯雅 Qú Bóyǎ |
601-
613 619- 623 |
Yanhe (延和 Yánhé)
602-
613 Zhongguang (重光 Zhòngguāng) 620- 623 |
Did not exist | unnamed usurper | 613- 619 | Yihe (Yìhé 義和) 614- 619 |
Did not exist | 麴文泰 Qú Wéntài | 623- 640 | Yanshou (延壽 Yánshòu) 624- 640 |
Did not exist | 麴智盛 Qú Zhìshèng | 640 | did not exist |
Can someone explain this phrase?
If he was dead, how did he submit to Gaoche overlordship? Something's off here and it needs someone who knows the history to fix it. - Fenevad ( talk) 03:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Surely in 1209 Gaochang fell under the Mongol Empire, not the Yuan Dynasty, which was declared in 1271. Sometimes people from China use the terms interchangeably, but this is not done in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.210.30 ( talk) 19:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
It's Astonishing how much of the history that has been revised by the Chinese communists is present in this article....If the so called 'Han' Chinese played such a major part in the history of goacheng then where is the evidence, the hard evidence for which most of the historical theories are based on, as far as I am aware the majority of manuscripts, paintings and ruins bear no similarity with the Han chinese culture...Its just absurd how these people are manipulating the history in order to serve their on purpose on the political stage... — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
143.167.192.164 (
talk) 03:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
I just ran across the name 'Gaocheng' (referring to Gaochang ruins) in Paul Theroux's travel writings ("To The Ends of The Earth" compilation), used several times so i dont think its just a typo. Not sure if this is an alternate spelling or what. I've added a disambig at the other article ( Gaocheng), fwiw. By the way, Theroux also uses the spelling 'Turfan' for Turpan (and yes I'm familiar with the concept of different spellings due to transliteration). El duderino ( abides) 02:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
The Qu family ruling Gaochang were of Chinese origin, but were allied to the Turkic Khanates and intermarried with the Turkic ruling families. Qu Boya (Ch'ü Boya)'s grandmother was Turkic.
page 57
page 87
The Qu and Gaochang adopted Turkic nomadic customs to have good relations with their neighbors and avoid trouble but sought to revert to Chinese customs when the Sui came to power
Qu Boya married a Sui princess
http://www.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takata/BerlinQieyun.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=8FVsWq31MtMC&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q&f=false
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