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Well, if they'll let you in... :) Tregoweth 05:28, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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Gamaliel as the Anti-Sephirah of Yesod on the Tree of Death/Qliphoth in Hebrew Qabalah.
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With regards to the two Mishnaic anecdotes, in which the king and queen ask for Gamaliel's advice about rituals, Ref 2 points to the Jewish Encyclopedia, however the more exact citation would be [Adolph Buechler.Das Synhedrion in Jerusalem,p.129. Vienna,1902.] The ref list cannot be amended. --
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It seems some editors are confusing the Gamaliels. Especially ones who are adding the christian pov (e.g. stuff being added to the wrong Gamaliel). Gamaliel haZaken should not be confused with Rabban Gamaliel 1 or 2. 124.170.85.23 07:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
It is suspected that Rabban Gamaliel may have become a Christian at some point after the conversion of Saul to Paul, although it is historically uncertain if this is so. Given his relationship with Paul, the perseverance of the early Christians in Jerusalem for a time, and the fact even before the death of Jesus some of the members of the Sanhedrin had become his followers. Alexander ( talk) 10:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
There can be no suspicion that R. Gamliel became a Christian. That is POV. What is missing here is a discussion of the issues on Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin daf 90b where R. Gamliel is in an argument with _minim_ who are rejecting the resurrection of the dead. The discussion on this page would also have to answer the question whether the minim are Christians as some writers like Herford and Pranaitis claim. The answer to that question would have to draw in reliable third-party sources that explain why Christians would claim that the Bible does NOT support resurrection of the dead, a cornerstone of Christianity. 4.249.63.100 ( talk) 13:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm not really sure why one would refer to texts from the Jewish tradition within a section on Gamaliel in the Christian section. It seems to me that these references are motivated by a desire to refute whatever is held to be true in the Christian tradition. Just as I see no need to intertwine the Christian and Jewish tradition within the Jewish tradition section (nor indeed to refute what is held therein), nor do I see a need to intertwine the two traditions within the Christian tradition section. Also, can I suggest that, if it is necessary to include Prof. Koester's views, they be included in another section as they do not seem to be Christian nor of that tradition? Finally, I presume that it does not need to be said that Talmud is a (collection of) source(s) which post-dates the Acts of the Apostles: I am not sure of its relevance therefore to the Christian tradition; except from a Jewish tradition perspective (which is very much a minority point of view, in any event). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.90.89 ( talk) 16:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way to change the URL to Gamliel instead of Gamaliel? The latter might be the "Greek derivative of the Hebrew name...." as had been stated in the article, but since he was Jewish - and a very important Jew at that - who spoke Hebrew and whose name was given in Hebrew, I believe very strongly that his name ought to be transliterated into English directly from the Hebrew rather than taken from the Greek.
I cannot tell you just how offensive this sort of thing is to those who are followers of Jewihs tradition to see other religious persuasions try to claim our sages as their own and dismiss their connection to Judaism. See, for example: http://rupeenews.com/2009/01/was-musa-ibm-maymun-the-great-arab-scholar-a-muslim-or-was-moses-maimonides-a-jew/ ShagMeElmo 18:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShagMeElmo ( talk • contribs)
Michael L. Rodkinson (Ed,), New Edition of the Babylonian Talmud (1900), pp. 138-139:
As to disciples, R. Gamaliel the elder compares them to the following four kinds of fish: an unclean, a clean fish, a fish found in the Jordan, and one found in the Ocean. By an unclean fish is meant a disciple of poor intellect, who, notwithstanding his study of Scripture, Mishna, Halakhoth, and Agadoth, still remains poor-minded. By a clean fish is meant a disciple of rich intellect, who studies Scripture, Mishna, Halakhoth, and Agadoth, and develops his mind. By a fish from the Jordan is meant a scholar who has studied all the mentioned subjects, but has not acquired the faculty of answering questions put to him. And by a fish found in the Ocean is meant a scholar who studied all the above subjects and has the ability of answering the questions put to him.
The additions by Nazannia on 7 Dec 2015 look like promotion for a book, and don't seem very NPOV ("offer compelling evidence", etc.).
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Saint Abibas, according to the Catholic church is the second son of Gamaliel. Does anyone have an interest in expanding the information from Nicodemus#Veneration_and_liturgical_commemoration to the Gamaliel page? Twillisjr ( talk) 18:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Citation 4 - Abodah Zarah 3:10 - is incorrect. Nothing related to the subject at hand appears there. I have no experience editing Wikipedia, so I prefer to leave the changes to someone who knows what they're doing. 165.73.33.168 ( talk) 09:07, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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Well, if they'll let you in... :) Tregoweth 05:28, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:Copyright problems
Gamaliel as the Anti-Sephirah of Yesod on the Tree of Death/Qliphoth in Hebrew Qabalah.
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With regards to the two Mishnaic anecdotes, in which the king and queen ask for Gamaliel's advice about rituals, Ref 2 points to the Jewish Encyclopedia, however the more exact citation would be [Adolph Buechler.Das Synhedrion in Jerusalem,p.129. Vienna,1902.] The ref list cannot be amended. --
Suburbium (
talk) 20:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
It seems some editors are confusing the Gamaliels. Especially ones who are adding the christian pov (e.g. stuff being added to the wrong Gamaliel). Gamaliel haZaken should not be confused with Rabban Gamaliel 1 or 2. 124.170.85.23 07:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
It is suspected that Rabban Gamaliel may have become a Christian at some point after the conversion of Saul to Paul, although it is historically uncertain if this is so. Given his relationship with Paul, the perseverance of the early Christians in Jerusalem for a time, and the fact even before the death of Jesus some of the members of the Sanhedrin had become his followers. Alexander ( talk) 10:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
There can be no suspicion that R. Gamliel became a Christian. That is POV. What is missing here is a discussion of the issues on Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin daf 90b where R. Gamliel is in an argument with _minim_ who are rejecting the resurrection of the dead. The discussion on this page would also have to answer the question whether the minim are Christians as some writers like Herford and Pranaitis claim. The answer to that question would have to draw in reliable third-party sources that explain why Christians would claim that the Bible does NOT support resurrection of the dead, a cornerstone of Christianity. 4.249.63.100 ( talk) 13:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm not really sure why one would refer to texts from the Jewish tradition within a section on Gamaliel in the Christian section. It seems to me that these references are motivated by a desire to refute whatever is held to be true in the Christian tradition. Just as I see no need to intertwine the Christian and Jewish tradition within the Jewish tradition section (nor indeed to refute what is held therein), nor do I see a need to intertwine the two traditions within the Christian tradition section. Also, can I suggest that, if it is necessary to include Prof. Koester's views, they be included in another section as they do not seem to be Christian nor of that tradition? Finally, I presume that it does not need to be said that Talmud is a (collection of) source(s) which post-dates the Acts of the Apostles: I am not sure of its relevance therefore to the Christian tradition; except from a Jewish tradition perspective (which is very much a minority point of view, in any event). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.90.89 ( talk) 16:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way to change the URL to Gamliel instead of Gamaliel? The latter might be the "Greek derivative of the Hebrew name...." as had been stated in the article, but since he was Jewish - and a very important Jew at that - who spoke Hebrew and whose name was given in Hebrew, I believe very strongly that his name ought to be transliterated into English directly from the Hebrew rather than taken from the Greek.
I cannot tell you just how offensive this sort of thing is to those who are followers of Jewihs tradition to see other religious persuasions try to claim our sages as their own and dismiss their connection to Judaism. See, for example: http://rupeenews.com/2009/01/was-musa-ibm-maymun-the-great-arab-scholar-a-muslim-or-was-moses-maimonides-a-jew/ ShagMeElmo 18:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShagMeElmo ( talk • contribs)
Michael L. Rodkinson (Ed,), New Edition of the Babylonian Talmud (1900), pp. 138-139:
As to disciples, R. Gamaliel the elder compares them to the following four kinds of fish: an unclean, a clean fish, a fish found in the Jordan, and one found in the Ocean. By an unclean fish is meant a disciple of poor intellect, who, notwithstanding his study of Scripture, Mishna, Halakhoth, and Agadoth, still remains poor-minded. By a clean fish is meant a disciple of rich intellect, who studies Scripture, Mishna, Halakhoth, and Agadoth, and develops his mind. By a fish from the Jordan is meant a scholar who has studied all the mentioned subjects, but has not acquired the faculty of answering questions put to him. And by a fish found in the Ocean is meant a scholar who studied all the above subjects and has the ability of answering the questions put to him.
The additions by Nazannia on 7 Dec 2015 look like promotion for a book, and don't seem very NPOV ("offer compelling evidence", etc.).
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Saint Abibas, according to the Catholic church is the second son of Gamaliel. Does anyone have an interest in expanding the information from Nicodemus#Veneration_and_liturgical_commemoration to the Gamaliel page? Twillisjr ( talk) 18:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Citation 4 - Abodah Zarah 3:10 - is incorrect. Nothing related to the subject at hand appears there. I have no experience editing Wikipedia, so I prefer to leave the changes to someone who knows what they're doing. 165.73.33.168 ( talk) 09:07, 9 December 2018 (UTC)