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I haven't seen the game and I am not well versed in the culture of Interactive Fiction, but any claim that a work contains the best character ever implemented in a computer game needs to be supported with citation. If it is "widely regarded" as the best, it should be easy to find an outside source which says so. I am sure it is a great work, but a list of awards it has won should indicate that very well. BarkingDoc 19:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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I wouldn't call it a video game. Pure text. Midgley ( talk) 13:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
There are three reasons by which User:Kung Fu Man shouldn't delete the tags for the Fictional_artificial_intelligences and Female_video_game_characters categories.
If you're still not convinced by these arguments I will move this article to Galatea (video game character) so that you won't have any reason left to complain, at the cost of a small disruption. Diego Moya ( talk) 10:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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The article currently says "Galatea is a work of interactive fiction". A game or a work of interactive fiction simply is not a character, so this article does not belong in a any category of characters. I am not persuaded by the points you raise to the contrary, Diego (though you have made your points well). Having categories loses its utility if they are "loosely interpreted" to include a lot of articles that don't quite fit into them, which is in my opinion what you would like to do in this case. I see you have recently added this article to Category:Artificial intelligence in fiction and that seems fine to me. Perhaps you could consider that categorization sufficient for your purposes here...?— WikiDao ☯ 22:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC) |
I understand not linking to entries like Nidorina. But then Latias and Latios is listed under the category, when "Latias and Latios are Pokémon species in Nintendo and Game Freak's Pokémon franchise.". How is it that an article about both male and female Pokemon whole species can be loosely interpreted to belong to Category:Female video game characters but a video game with a single female lead character can't be? Diego Moya ( talk) 05:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Should Galatea (video game) be listed in Category:Female video game characters? Does this article match the category description below?
"Fictional characters in computer and video games who are female. This character should be reserved specifically for characters originating in video games, as opposed to licensed appearances in games."
Diego Moya ( talk) 05:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I know this discussion's a bit stale, but I do not think this article should be categorised under anything like Category:Female video game characters. This article is about the game itself, which just happens to cover Galatea as part of it, in the same way that Portal covers the handheld portal device. Articles like Latias and Latios focus on those characters in particular, just along with something else because they're often grouped together and are more-or-less the "same" subject, which is why they can (though if I remember correctly categories like that should be placed on the Latias or Latios redirects. Don't know if that's still the case). This article should not be categorised under those sort of categories for the same reason Star Wars: The Force Unleashed can't be categorised under Category:Star Wars characters. – Harry Blue5 ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey, obscurity ≠ lack of notability. I'm not worried about the notability of Galatea even when Interactive Fiction won't be featured at video game magazines soon; the game has won the most prestigious award in the field, received critical commentary from one of the most respected authors and influenced how NPCs are seen in this genre.
I understand now that Category:Female video game characters is a set category, not a Topic category, although that was not clear from the category description. Which goes back to my other concern that I stated at the category discussion: that's not a very useful categorization since it makes impossible finding obscure characters that are anyway influential to a particular limited field. There should exist a way to index articles relevant to the topic of female characters even if they formally are not articles about the character itself.
(BTW, by the same criteria you're using, Portrayal of women in video games shouldn't be listed at the category. That strict formalism you're defending seems a little absurd). Diego Moya ( talk) 06:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
PS- also you might want to read the essays you link to: "There are some pages within Wikipedia which are supposed to be useful navigation tools and nothing more—disambiguation pages, categories, and redirects, for instance—so usefulness is the basis of their inclusion; for these types of pages, usefulness is a valid argument". Diego Moya ( talk) 06:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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I haven't seen the game and I am not well versed in the culture of Interactive Fiction, but any claim that a work contains the best character ever implemented in a computer game needs to be supported with citation. If it is "widely regarded" as the best, it should be easy to find an outside source which says so. I am sure it is a great work, but a list of awards it has won should indicate that very well. BarkingDoc 19:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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I wouldn't call it a video game. Pure text. Midgley ( talk) 13:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
There are three reasons by which User:Kung Fu Man shouldn't delete the tags for the Fictional_artificial_intelligences and Female_video_game_characters categories.
If you're still not convinced by these arguments I will move this article to Galatea (video game character) so that you won't have any reason left to complain, at the cost of a small disruption. Diego Moya ( talk) 10:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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The article currently says "Galatea is a work of interactive fiction". A game or a work of interactive fiction simply is not a character, so this article does not belong in a any category of characters. I am not persuaded by the points you raise to the contrary, Diego (though you have made your points well). Having categories loses its utility if they are "loosely interpreted" to include a lot of articles that don't quite fit into them, which is in my opinion what you would like to do in this case. I see you have recently added this article to Category:Artificial intelligence in fiction and that seems fine to me. Perhaps you could consider that categorization sufficient for your purposes here...?— WikiDao ☯ 22:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC) |
I understand not linking to entries like Nidorina. But then Latias and Latios is listed under the category, when "Latias and Latios are Pokémon species in Nintendo and Game Freak's Pokémon franchise.". How is it that an article about both male and female Pokemon whole species can be loosely interpreted to belong to Category:Female video game characters but a video game with a single female lead character can't be? Diego Moya ( talk) 05:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Should Galatea (video game) be listed in Category:Female video game characters? Does this article match the category description below?
"Fictional characters in computer and video games who are female. This character should be reserved specifically for characters originating in video games, as opposed to licensed appearances in games."
Diego Moya ( talk) 05:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I know this discussion's a bit stale, but I do not think this article should be categorised under anything like Category:Female video game characters. This article is about the game itself, which just happens to cover Galatea as part of it, in the same way that Portal covers the handheld portal device. Articles like Latias and Latios focus on those characters in particular, just along with something else because they're often grouped together and are more-or-less the "same" subject, which is why they can (though if I remember correctly categories like that should be placed on the Latias or Latios redirects. Don't know if that's still the case). This article should not be categorised under those sort of categories for the same reason Star Wars: The Force Unleashed can't be categorised under Category:Star Wars characters. – Harry Blue5 ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey, obscurity ≠ lack of notability. I'm not worried about the notability of Galatea even when Interactive Fiction won't be featured at video game magazines soon; the game has won the most prestigious award in the field, received critical commentary from one of the most respected authors and influenced how NPCs are seen in this genre.
I understand now that Category:Female video game characters is a set category, not a Topic category, although that was not clear from the category description. Which goes back to my other concern that I stated at the category discussion: that's not a very useful categorization since it makes impossible finding obscure characters that are anyway influential to a particular limited field. There should exist a way to index articles relevant to the topic of female characters even if they formally are not articles about the character itself.
(BTW, by the same criteria you're using, Portrayal of women in video games shouldn't be listed at the category. That strict formalism you're defending seems a little absurd). Diego Moya ( talk) 06:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
PS- also you might want to read the essays you link to: "There are some pages within Wikipedia which are supposed to be useful navigation tools and nothing more—disambiguation pages, categories, and redirects, for instance—so usefulness is the basis of their inclusion; for these types of pages, usefulness is a valid argument". Diego Moya ( talk) 06:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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