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I've corrected this for the second time! Must have done something wrong first time round, but it's definitely 16 - ii - 1728. P Howard —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.173.158 ( talk) 10:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I've now corrected the month of his death. We were all mislead by Paolo Cattelan (Acta musicologica 59/2(1987), p. 162, n. 34) but I am just back from Padua where I have seen the original of the death register, and it is beyond doubt November 1792. He died of liver failure.
The second portrait in the article (the haggard old man) is definitely Vallotti. You need to translate the Latin bit at the bottom of the portrait to discover this, but it's also identical to a sculpture in one of the cloisters in the Santo. Guadagni paid for the portrait, that's why his name appears rather prominently if you don't get the Latin translated. My version is as follows: "This picture portrays the face of Vallotti, and depicts his character on his face. Music, you who boast Phoebus and the Muses as your leaders here acknowledge that this is your leader, your judge and your father. I, Ignatio Columbo, fashioned this portrait at the request of that most outstanding musician Cavalier Gaetano Guadagni."
On the more positive side, I've been trying to date the Fedi medallion, and Irene Brandenburg believes it is c. 1790, i.e. made in G's lifetime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patricia Howard ( talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the very striking image posted on Guadagni's page recently is not of him; it was catalogued as "probably Guadagni" in the Handel House Museum's exhibition "Handel and the Castrati", but this was far too "hopeful" an attribution, and is now known to be false - I curated that exhibition. voxclamans ( talk) 20:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I've corrected the caption to Vallotti's portrait. Patricia Howard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patricia Howard ( talk • contribs) 10:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The Walpole/Mann quotation in the career section needs more context and explanation. Right now it is introduced to substantiate the statement: "He was rapidly taken up in theatrical and musical circles in the capital, and also acquired a reputation for non-artistic activities, as did many castrati..." However the quote not only describes Guadagni's sexual activity with a woman: it also depicts a brutal rape-as-retribution by Francis Blake Delaval. I don't think this needs to be expanded or examined necessarily (since there are very few sources available to contextualize it in a factual discussion of his life) but I do find it problematic and disturbing to have the quote appear on the page with its only context being "non-artistic activity." I'm sure that the rape of castrati by intact men was a widespread phenomenon (it certainly is referred to several times in contemporary literature) and its apparently trivial inclusion here is demeaning to a meaningful explanation of Guadagni's life and career. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to better frame the quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsieurpeanut2 ( talk • contribs) 08:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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I've corrected this for the second time! Must have done something wrong first time round, but it's definitely 16 - ii - 1728. P Howard —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.173.158 ( talk) 10:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I've now corrected the month of his death. We were all mislead by Paolo Cattelan (Acta musicologica 59/2(1987), p. 162, n. 34) but I am just back from Padua where I have seen the original of the death register, and it is beyond doubt November 1792. He died of liver failure.
The second portrait in the article (the haggard old man) is definitely Vallotti. You need to translate the Latin bit at the bottom of the portrait to discover this, but it's also identical to a sculpture in one of the cloisters in the Santo. Guadagni paid for the portrait, that's why his name appears rather prominently if you don't get the Latin translated. My version is as follows: "This picture portrays the face of Vallotti, and depicts his character on his face. Music, you who boast Phoebus and the Muses as your leaders here acknowledge that this is your leader, your judge and your father. I, Ignatio Columbo, fashioned this portrait at the request of that most outstanding musician Cavalier Gaetano Guadagni."
On the more positive side, I've been trying to date the Fedi medallion, and Irene Brandenburg believes it is c. 1790, i.e. made in G's lifetime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patricia Howard ( talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the very striking image posted on Guadagni's page recently is not of him; it was catalogued as "probably Guadagni" in the Handel House Museum's exhibition "Handel and the Castrati", but this was far too "hopeful" an attribution, and is now known to be false - I curated that exhibition. voxclamans ( talk) 20:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I've corrected the caption to Vallotti's portrait. Patricia Howard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patricia Howard ( talk • contribs) 10:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The Walpole/Mann quotation in the career section needs more context and explanation. Right now it is introduced to substantiate the statement: "He was rapidly taken up in theatrical and musical circles in the capital, and also acquired a reputation for non-artistic activities, as did many castrati..." However the quote not only describes Guadagni's sexual activity with a woman: it also depicts a brutal rape-as-retribution by Francis Blake Delaval. I don't think this needs to be expanded or examined necessarily (since there are very few sources available to contextualize it in a factual discussion of his life) but I do find it problematic and disturbing to have the quote appear on the page with its only context being "non-artistic activity." I'm sure that the rape of castrati by intact men was a widespread phenomenon (it certainly is referred to several times in contemporary literature) and its apparently trivial inclusion here is demeaning to a meaningful explanation of Guadagni's life and career. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to better frame the quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsieurpeanut2 ( talk • contribs) 08:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)