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I have started a new category which will include all places in the Gaeltacht. This is Category:Gaeltacht places. As part of this process I have started new article on Dunquin and Ráth Cairn.
The map shown in the article is extremely inaccurate. Most Gaeltacht areas are shown as being much smaller than they actually are and Clear Island in Co. Cork and Ring in Waterford have been completely omitted.
Alan, Dublin
We need to be very careful not to include the map on Údarás na Gaeltachta's website which is as inaccurate as that first put up in the Wikipedia article and subsequently removed. I e-mailed ÚnaG about their inaccurate map but received no reply. Reg Hindley used an official map in his book Death of the Irish Language and if anyone had a copy of it, it could be scanned in. The last changes to Gaeltacht boundaries were made in 1974 when Clochán-Bréanann and part of West Muskerry previously in the Galltacht were included in the Gaeltacht.
Alan, Dublin
Might a List of places in the Gaeltacht or similar be better to the recent addition of towns and villages? Djegan 20:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure the English spelling is "Rathcarne", the most recent ordance survey map uses "Rathcarran", neither are particularily popular on an internet search but getting it right is not bad either (before creating a redirect)? Djegan 17:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there some people actually living in this Gaeltacht? The nearest place, according to the article, is a "small hamlet" that according to its article "has only a few commercial business in operation" and that fact is "largely due to its low population." Is there really an Irish speaking community there or not? JdeJ 06:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Under new Northern Irish rule, the Shaw's Road area of Belfast has been marked a Gaeltacht area. Every time I add it, someone keeps removing it from the page. This is ridiculous! Anyone heard of Belfast's Gaeltacht Quarter? If you havn't, please research it. It's disgraceful that people take things from pages without knowing anything of the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.241.186 ( talk) 01:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
As this is the English language Wikipedia it should use English terminology. Irish language and Gaelic language are acceptable terms in English, although I would prefer the former. PatGallacher ( talk) 14:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"The aim was to redress a centuries old imbalance, where the Irish farmers were forcibly removed from this land by the English under Oliver Cromwell, with the infamous edict to ‘Hell or Connacht’. When the Irish farmers returned to the land in Meath, they brought with them their native language and culture, which today is greatly celebrated in the small Gaeltacht of Baile Ghib and Rath Cairn, 70 km from Dublin city."
Should placenames in the Gaeltacht not be in their Irish language version as that is the official version? I know we have a common view policy on wikipedia, but if we were to rigidly implement that policy then all articles on all placenames should be in their common English language version. i.e. Kolkata should be re-named Calcutta - the common English language name. Likewise Mumbai - Bombay. I don't understand why these commonname placenames have been superseded by their official Indian names, while Irish Gaeltacht placenames have to bow to their common English name despite the fact that it's their Irish name that has official status. The government here only uses the Irish language version, as does RTÉ, a sizeable portion of the National Media, new OS maps since the Official Languages Acts, and in the future it will be a requirement to have all maps show the official name only or as a priority name (i.e. with the English name in italics). To have one policy for Indian placenames and another for Irish Gaeltacht placenames is a bit hypocritical I feel. -- MacTire02 ( talk) 13:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
You know, I don't care if this ends up getting kicked off of Wikipedia, but based on this info, I just have to conclude that, in a basic phrase, England and its English language have caused nothing but problems to many cultures and languages, especially the Celtic languages in particular. If you study the three Gaeltacht maps, you can see that, from 1926 to 2007, the "English Monster" has pretty much gotten the Irish language rounded up with nowhere to escape to, and the various pockets of Gaeltacht resemble peninsulas, showing how the Irish language can't escape, unless something's done about this in Dublin. With the situation of the language in Northern Ireland, I'm particularly not surprised how it's not supported. What could you possibly expect from England? By the way, when you refer to Great Britain, I hope you're talkin' about England, right? Il Studioso 07:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Bóthar Seoighe (also Gaeltacht Seoighe; English: Shaw's Road or Shaw's Gaeltacht) is a small Gaeltacht (Irish-speaking area) in Belfast, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. The Shaw's Road Gaeltacht was founded in the mid 1960s when a few families from Belfast built their houses in the area. More families joined the original settlers in the 1960s. In all, over 300 people live in the Shaw's Road Gaeltacht. In 1972 the Shaw's Road received official recognition as a Gaeltacht following a campaign. A committee was started in 1973. As a result, the Shaw's Road has grown into a community with a primary school (and have from the work of it's people openeda secondary school in 1991 on the Falls Road), the first primary Irish Language primary school in the north of Ireland, a community hall and other historical facilities. Shaw's Gaeltacht is popular for children and adults from Antrim learning Irish. Irish language courses are run for all in the GAA Club. Shaw's Gaeltahct has a strong culture of traditional music, dance and drama which continues to thrive today.
The area has been home to many musicians, dancers, teachers and political figures. People fond of the place were Belfast-born Gaelic speaker Albert Sharpe, who stared in Darby O'Gill and the Little People and Robbi McMillen, a young singer who was born and raised there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.29.3 ( talk) 02:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted this for the following reasons. I went over to WP:MOSIR and checked to see if proper names of companies, organisations and such are exempt from wiki's landmark Derry City/County Londonderry agreement. Examples include City of Derry Airport, Port of Londonderry, Derry City Council and Derry GAA. The response I got was that these are indeed exempt from this agreement and the name on wiki is exactly what it says on the tin. In this instance, the name of the project cited in the source is South Derry Gaelteacht. There is no mention of a South Londonderry Gaelteacht. If User:mabuska has any issues with that, please take it to the talk page at WP:MOSIR. -- Eamonnca1 ( talk) 23:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The area is called both South Derry and South Londonderry by people O Fenian. South Derry if anything is an alternative for South Londonderry seeing as the county has always been Londonderry. You can guess who uses what, though South Derry is a common shorthand in the unionist community too, but at present neither name has any official status, and the only one that did was South Londonderry, but then again that is the name of the county and this area is the southern portion of it. Thus your arguement O Fenian is seriously flawed. IMoS thus should be applied as we are dealing with a county not a unofficial shorthand name that depends largely of pov. Mabuska (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article mention that there has been criticism of the Gaeltacht idea, including from people who support the Irish language?-- MacRusgail ( talk) 21:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I have tightened up a number of sections and have added references. I have added a section describing the parlous state of the language in the official Gaeltacht. Given that this threatens the very existence of the Gaeltacht, such a section is well overdue. Colin Ryan ( talk) 12:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Infoboxes are designed to convey a summary of information, unfortunataly this one added inaccuarcies. The flag, emblem and national languages are those of the state. The Gaeltacht offical/sanctioned religion was set to catholic and demonym was Gaelic/Irish people. No, no and no. Murry1975 ( talk) 11:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I have taken Clare Island out of the section devoted to Neo-Gaeltachtaí, as there is no convincing evidence of any revival.
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See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles#Derry/Londonderry - "To avoid constant renaming of articles (and more), keep a neutral point of view, promote consistency in the encyclopedia, and avoid Stroke City-style terms perplexing to those unfamiliar with the dispute, a compromise solution was proposed and agreed in 2004 regarding the Derry/Londonderry name dispute, and has been generally accepted as a convention for both article titles and in-article references since then. Use Derry for the city and County Londonderry for the county in articles." I have therefore reverted the edits to the version as it stod before to-day - please discuss here before making any edits. Alekksandr ( talk) 21:01, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The article states: Gaeltacht areas were recognised in seven of the state's 26 counties (nominally Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Kerry, and Waterford). That comes to five not seven by my reckoning. Can someone please correct this? John Campbell ( talk) 23:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
I have transferred much of the material in what used to "Gaeltachtaí" and is now "Revival and innovation" to Neo-Gaeltacht, where I consider it more properly belongs. I trimmed the bulk of "West Clare Gaeltacht Irish speaking area & North Munster Irish / Gaeilge na dTuathmhumhan," together with its unwieldy title: it is now simply "West Clare". Still work to be done.
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I have started a new category which will include all places in the Gaeltacht. This is Category:Gaeltacht places. As part of this process I have started new article on Dunquin and Ráth Cairn.
The map shown in the article is extremely inaccurate. Most Gaeltacht areas are shown as being much smaller than they actually are and Clear Island in Co. Cork and Ring in Waterford have been completely omitted.
Alan, Dublin
We need to be very careful not to include the map on Údarás na Gaeltachta's website which is as inaccurate as that first put up in the Wikipedia article and subsequently removed. I e-mailed ÚnaG about their inaccurate map but received no reply. Reg Hindley used an official map in his book Death of the Irish Language and if anyone had a copy of it, it could be scanned in. The last changes to Gaeltacht boundaries were made in 1974 when Clochán-Bréanann and part of West Muskerry previously in the Galltacht were included in the Gaeltacht.
Alan, Dublin
Might a List of places in the Gaeltacht or similar be better to the recent addition of towns and villages? Djegan 20:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure the English spelling is "Rathcarne", the most recent ordance survey map uses "Rathcarran", neither are particularily popular on an internet search but getting it right is not bad either (before creating a redirect)? Djegan 17:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there some people actually living in this Gaeltacht? The nearest place, according to the article, is a "small hamlet" that according to its article "has only a few commercial business in operation" and that fact is "largely due to its low population." Is there really an Irish speaking community there or not? JdeJ 06:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Under new Northern Irish rule, the Shaw's Road area of Belfast has been marked a Gaeltacht area. Every time I add it, someone keeps removing it from the page. This is ridiculous! Anyone heard of Belfast's Gaeltacht Quarter? If you havn't, please research it. It's disgraceful that people take things from pages without knowing anything of the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.241.186 ( talk) 01:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
As this is the English language Wikipedia it should use English terminology. Irish language and Gaelic language are acceptable terms in English, although I would prefer the former. PatGallacher ( talk) 14:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"The aim was to redress a centuries old imbalance, where the Irish farmers were forcibly removed from this land by the English under Oliver Cromwell, with the infamous edict to ‘Hell or Connacht’. When the Irish farmers returned to the land in Meath, they brought with them their native language and culture, which today is greatly celebrated in the small Gaeltacht of Baile Ghib and Rath Cairn, 70 km from Dublin city."
Should placenames in the Gaeltacht not be in their Irish language version as that is the official version? I know we have a common view policy on wikipedia, but if we were to rigidly implement that policy then all articles on all placenames should be in their common English language version. i.e. Kolkata should be re-named Calcutta - the common English language name. Likewise Mumbai - Bombay. I don't understand why these commonname placenames have been superseded by their official Indian names, while Irish Gaeltacht placenames have to bow to their common English name despite the fact that it's their Irish name that has official status. The government here only uses the Irish language version, as does RTÉ, a sizeable portion of the National Media, new OS maps since the Official Languages Acts, and in the future it will be a requirement to have all maps show the official name only or as a priority name (i.e. with the English name in italics). To have one policy for Indian placenames and another for Irish Gaeltacht placenames is a bit hypocritical I feel. -- MacTire02 ( talk) 13:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
You know, I don't care if this ends up getting kicked off of Wikipedia, but based on this info, I just have to conclude that, in a basic phrase, England and its English language have caused nothing but problems to many cultures and languages, especially the Celtic languages in particular. If you study the three Gaeltacht maps, you can see that, from 1926 to 2007, the "English Monster" has pretty much gotten the Irish language rounded up with nowhere to escape to, and the various pockets of Gaeltacht resemble peninsulas, showing how the Irish language can't escape, unless something's done about this in Dublin. With the situation of the language in Northern Ireland, I'm particularly not surprised how it's not supported. What could you possibly expect from England? By the way, when you refer to Great Britain, I hope you're talkin' about England, right? Il Studioso 07:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Bóthar Seoighe (also Gaeltacht Seoighe; English: Shaw's Road or Shaw's Gaeltacht) is a small Gaeltacht (Irish-speaking area) in Belfast, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. The Shaw's Road Gaeltacht was founded in the mid 1960s when a few families from Belfast built their houses in the area. More families joined the original settlers in the 1960s. In all, over 300 people live in the Shaw's Road Gaeltacht. In 1972 the Shaw's Road received official recognition as a Gaeltacht following a campaign. A committee was started in 1973. As a result, the Shaw's Road has grown into a community with a primary school (and have from the work of it's people openeda secondary school in 1991 on the Falls Road), the first primary Irish Language primary school in the north of Ireland, a community hall and other historical facilities. Shaw's Gaeltacht is popular for children and adults from Antrim learning Irish. Irish language courses are run for all in the GAA Club. Shaw's Gaeltahct has a strong culture of traditional music, dance and drama which continues to thrive today.
The area has been home to many musicians, dancers, teachers and political figures. People fond of the place were Belfast-born Gaelic speaker Albert Sharpe, who stared in Darby O'Gill and the Little People and Robbi McMillen, a young singer who was born and raised there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.29.3 ( talk) 02:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted this for the following reasons. I went over to WP:MOSIR and checked to see if proper names of companies, organisations and such are exempt from wiki's landmark Derry City/County Londonderry agreement. Examples include City of Derry Airport, Port of Londonderry, Derry City Council and Derry GAA. The response I got was that these are indeed exempt from this agreement and the name on wiki is exactly what it says on the tin. In this instance, the name of the project cited in the source is South Derry Gaelteacht. There is no mention of a South Londonderry Gaelteacht. If User:mabuska has any issues with that, please take it to the talk page at WP:MOSIR. -- Eamonnca1 ( talk) 23:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The area is called both South Derry and South Londonderry by people O Fenian. South Derry if anything is an alternative for South Londonderry seeing as the county has always been Londonderry. You can guess who uses what, though South Derry is a common shorthand in the unionist community too, but at present neither name has any official status, and the only one that did was South Londonderry, but then again that is the name of the county and this area is the southern portion of it. Thus your arguement O Fenian is seriously flawed. IMoS thus should be applied as we are dealing with a county not a unofficial shorthand name that depends largely of pov. Mabuska (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article mention that there has been criticism of the Gaeltacht idea, including from people who support the Irish language?-- MacRusgail ( talk) 21:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I have tightened up a number of sections and have added references. I have added a section describing the parlous state of the language in the official Gaeltacht. Given that this threatens the very existence of the Gaeltacht, such a section is well overdue. Colin Ryan ( talk) 12:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Infoboxes are designed to convey a summary of information, unfortunataly this one added inaccuarcies. The flag, emblem and national languages are those of the state. The Gaeltacht offical/sanctioned religion was set to catholic and demonym was Gaelic/Irish people. No, no and no. Murry1975 ( talk) 11:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I have taken Clare Island out of the section devoted to Neo-Gaeltachtaí, as there is no convincing evidence of any revival.
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See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles#Derry/Londonderry - "To avoid constant renaming of articles (and more), keep a neutral point of view, promote consistency in the encyclopedia, and avoid Stroke City-style terms perplexing to those unfamiliar with the dispute, a compromise solution was proposed and agreed in 2004 regarding the Derry/Londonderry name dispute, and has been generally accepted as a convention for both article titles and in-article references since then. Use Derry for the city and County Londonderry for the county in articles." I have therefore reverted the edits to the version as it stod before to-day - please discuss here before making any edits. Alekksandr ( talk) 21:01, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The article states: Gaeltacht areas were recognised in seven of the state's 26 counties (nominally Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Kerry, and Waterford). That comes to five not seven by my reckoning. Can someone please correct this? John Campbell ( talk) 23:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
I have transferred much of the material in what used to "Gaeltachtaí" and is now "Revival and innovation" to Neo-Gaeltacht, where I consider it more properly belongs. I trimmed the bulk of "West Clare Gaeltacht Irish speaking area & North Munster Irish / Gaeilge na dTuathmhumhan," together with its unwieldy title: it is now simply "West Clare". Still work to be done.