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![]() | On 13 April 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Gadabuursi Somali script to Gadabuursi alphabet. The result of the discussion was moved. |
![]() | On 27 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Gadabuursi Script to Gadabuursi Somali Script. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Disclaimer, I'm not a linguist nor a Somali speaker. Looking at the symbols displayed and their Latin transliterations, I wonder if some of them are derived from Greek and Latin letters? This is purely uneducated speculation, but if there is any connection it would be interesting to know that. 2601:441:4400:1740:A58F:9116:857A:AB26 ( talk) 21:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Currently it's "Gadabuursi Somali Script", all first letters capitalized as befits a book or article title – but Wikipedia sets its article titles in 'sentence case', which should make this "Gadabuursi Somali script", as only the first two words pertain to proper names.
Also, the word "Somali", though descriptive, is used when referring to this letter-set only in the title of I.M. Lewis's 1958 article "The Gadabuursi Somali Script", where it is properly descriptive, and also probably whence the WP article title came. But we're not writing about his article, we're writing about the referent; and in his article text even Lewis calls it "the Gadabuursi script" – or, as a section title, "Gadabuursi Orthography", note befitting caps – both p. 142. If we're following his example, "Gadabuursi script" is sufficient identifier for discussion. Borrow usage from his text, not his title; we do not title our work on King Arthur "The Once and Future King" just because T.H. White did.
Finally, even though Lewis used the word "script", and indeed all alphabets are scripts, the more specific term is "alphabet", and per WP:NCWS if it's "language-specific" (not used across multiple different languages like the Arabic and Cyrillic scripts) then it's an alphabet – if not an abugida, syllabary, or ideographic/logographic script, which this is not. As this has been used only for the Somali language, "Borama alphabet" (its earlier title here) was correct per this convention, and a bit more WP:COMMONNAME (64 google-hits, vs just 44 for "Gadabuursi script" – including Wikipedia and clones/copies).
I propose either "Gadabuursi alphabet" [45 ghits] or (resuming its original title) "Borama alphabet", and let redirects handle the other names that might be searched for. Discussion? – •Raven .talk 19:31, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
I took care of the capitalization, as that was clearly supported by our naming conventions. — kwami ( talk) 22:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The only objection is in reference to an RFC that would have no impact on this article regardless of the outcome. UtherSRG (talk) 10:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Gadabuursi Somali script →
Gadabuursi alphabet – See: • Clair, Kate; Busic-Snyder, Cynthia (2012-06-20). "Key Concepts".
A Typographic Workbook: A Primer to History, Techniques, and Artistry.
Hoboken, New Jersey:
Wiley. p. 347.
ISBN
9781118399880. alphabet: a set of visual characters or letters in an order fixed by custom. The individual characters represent the sounds of a spoken language. ... alphabets (called alphabets) which consist of separate vowels and consonants....
•
"alphabet". Merriam-Webster [online]. 1.a. a set of letters or other characters with which one or more languages are written especially if arranged in a customary order
•
WP:NCWS#Alphabets: "'Alphabet' is used for language-specific adaptations of a segmental script, usually with a defined sorting order and sometimes with not all of the letters, or with additional letters:" [followed by list of examples].
• Note that Gadabuursi is "language-specific" to the Somali language.
• See also
what Omniglot calls it.
• Alphabet and script articles don't generally include the language name if there is another identifier (e.g. Kaddare alphabet/script, Osmanya alphabet/script; vs.
Russian alphabet/
Cyrillic script,
Arabic alphabet/
Arabic script). –
•Raven
.talk
03:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
no consensus. There is an ongoing RfC that is currently debating about this article and other similar articles' titles. As the RfC has not reached a consensus yet, this page will not be moved.Per a discussion in my talk page, I'm reopening it and requesting another page mover to decide what to do. Material Works (contribs) 19:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
No sooner is the above request closed (as 'moved') and the page actually moved back to 'alphabet', and the text edited to match, than @ Kwamikagami: begins reverting to their own preferred version of 'script', again without discussion or consensus, as before. This looks like the beginning of more POV edit-warring. Stop now. There's a procedure at this stage for seeking consensus to support opposed moves and reversions. Follow it. – .Raven .talk 02:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Gadabuursi Script → Gadabuursi Somali Script – The reason is that most sources such a I.M Lewis and others used this name: Gadabuursi Somali Script. Here are some sources:
[ [1]]
[ [2]]
The most well studied sources have used this name so therefore I would like it to be moved to Gadabuursi Somali Script. MustafaO ( talk) 07:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
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![]() | On 13 April 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Gadabuursi Somali script to Gadabuursi alphabet. The result of the discussion was moved. |
![]() | On 27 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Gadabuursi Script to Gadabuursi Somali Script. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Disclaimer, I'm not a linguist nor a Somali speaker. Looking at the symbols displayed and their Latin transliterations, I wonder if some of them are derived from Greek and Latin letters? This is purely uneducated speculation, but if there is any connection it would be interesting to know that. 2601:441:4400:1740:A58F:9116:857A:AB26 ( talk) 21:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Currently it's "Gadabuursi Somali Script", all first letters capitalized as befits a book or article title – but Wikipedia sets its article titles in 'sentence case', which should make this "Gadabuursi Somali script", as only the first two words pertain to proper names.
Also, the word "Somali", though descriptive, is used when referring to this letter-set only in the title of I.M. Lewis's 1958 article "The Gadabuursi Somali Script", where it is properly descriptive, and also probably whence the WP article title came. But we're not writing about his article, we're writing about the referent; and in his article text even Lewis calls it "the Gadabuursi script" – or, as a section title, "Gadabuursi Orthography", note befitting caps – both p. 142. If we're following his example, "Gadabuursi script" is sufficient identifier for discussion. Borrow usage from his text, not his title; we do not title our work on King Arthur "The Once and Future King" just because T.H. White did.
Finally, even though Lewis used the word "script", and indeed all alphabets are scripts, the more specific term is "alphabet", and per WP:NCWS if it's "language-specific" (not used across multiple different languages like the Arabic and Cyrillic scripts) then it's an alphabet – if not an abugida, syllabary, or ideographic/logographic script, which this is not. As this has been used only for the Somali language, "Borama alphabet" (its earlier title here) was correct per this convention, and a bit more WP:COMMONNAME (64 google-hits, vs just 44 for "Gadabuursi script" – including Wikipedia and clones/copies).
I propose either "Gadabuursi alphabet" [45 ghits] or (resuming its original title) "Borama alphabet", and let redirects handle the other names that might be searched for. Discussion? – •Raven .talk 19:31, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
I took care of the capitalization, as that was clearly supported by our naming conventions. — kwami ( talk) 22:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The only objection is in reference to an RFC that would have no impact on this article regardless of the outcome. UtherSRG (talk) 10:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
Gadabuursi Somali script →
Gadabuursi alphabet – See: • Clair, Kate; Busic-Snyder, Cynthia (2012-06-20). "Key Concepts".
A Typographic Workbook: A Primer to History, Techniques, and Artistry.
Hoboken, New Jersey:
Wiley. p. 347.
ISBN
9781118399880. alphabet: a set of visual characters or letters in an order fixed by custom. The individual characters represent the sounds of a spoken language. ... alphabets (called alphabets) which consist of separate vowels and consonants....
•
"alphabet". Merriam-Webster [online]. 1.a. a set of letters or other characters with which one or more languages are written especially if arranged in a customary order
•
WP:NCWS#Alphabets: "'Alphabet' is used for language-specific adaptations of a segmental script, usually with a defined sorting order and sometimes with not all of the letters, or with additional letters:" [followed by list of examples].
• Note that Gadabuursi is "language-specific" to the Somali language.
• See also
what Omniglot calls it.
• Alphabet and script articles don't generally include the language name if there is another identifier (e.g. Kaddare alphabet/script, Osmanya alphabet/script; vs.
Russian alphabet/
Cyrillic script,
Arabic alphabet/
Arabic script). –
•Raven
.talk
03:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
no consensus. There is an ongoing RfC that is currently debating about this article and other similar articles' titles. As the RfC has not reached a consensus yet, this page will not be moved.Per a discussion in my talk page, I'm reopening it and requesting another page mover to decide what to do. Material Works (contribs) 19:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
No sooner is the above request closed (as 'moved') and the page actually moved back to 'alphabet', and the text edited to match, than @ Kwamikagami: begins reverting to their own preferred version of 'script', again without discussion or consensus, as before. This looks like the beginning of more POV edit-warring. Stop now. There's a procedure at this stage for seeking consensus to support opposed moves and reversions. Follow it. – .Raven .talk 02:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Gadabuursi Script → Gadabuursi Somali Script – The reason is that most sources such a I.M Lewis and others used this name: Gadabuursi Somali Script. Here are some sources:
[ [1]]
[ [2]]
The most well studied sources have used this name so therefore I would like it to be moved to Gadabuursi Somali Script. MustafaO ( talk) 07:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)