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I don't think we can really say the GIGN is from the special forces. They are not under commande of the COS (special operations command). David.Monniaux 17:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I must point out that there is a rather obvious discrepancy in the data regarding numbers of GIGN troops. The information displayed on the page says 120 men, specifically citing 11 officers. However, the sidebar says "about 380 gendarmes." That's quite a difference.
206.40.211.51 08:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)RuggedGoodLooks
There was a big change on 1st Sept 2007 : GIGN and EPIGN are merged (Gendarmerie Det /GSPR disbanded) in one unit called GIGN (new GIGN command is nearly same as former GSIGN). So old GIGN had ~120 people, the new has ~380 (inculding support units such as GSIGN training center). Rob1bureau 19:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Every part of the article says its a different number i can see 120-380 and 80 in different places —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.90.156 ( talk) 06:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC) There are articles all over the internet about the reorganisation of the French GIGN absorbing all other French Gendarmerie special mission units. Therefore their numbers are much higher than beforehand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IiXtC ( talk • contribs) 07:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
The total size of the unit may well be around 400-500. Only less than 100 are operators. The current description of the unit size is therefore misleading. 101.98.140.129 ( talk) 00:25, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
If nobody disagrees, I will shorten the section about comparable units and replace it with a link to "List of special police units". This section should only give an idea of what units the GIGN can be compared to, i.e. GSG 9, GEO, etc. This section is way too long and it's starting to turn into a copy of the article about the list of special police units. -- Der rikkk ( talk) 21:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Do we know anything about the GIGN's involvement in countering the gunmen? I am just speculating but this will probably need to be added. JJ5788 ( talk) 03:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
According to the Washington Post, it was Brigades de Recherche et d’Intervention, and not GIGN. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/11/17/this-is-the-battle-worn-shield-police-apparently-used-to-storm-the-bataclan-theater-in-paris/
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Hello, I just updated the article and still plan to add material (mostly references and biographies) in the coming days. Please feel free to improve the text since English is not my mother language (for example, I am not sure if the current moto is best translated as : "to enlist for life" or "to enroll for life". Best regards, Bruno -- Domenjod ( talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC).
PS : I am leery about the title. I think it should be just "GIGN" (just like "GSG 9" is the title for the German unit). I know there is a redirection but I would recommend changing it anyway. Any opinions?
Hello,
As proposed in my edit of March,30, I just changed the article name to GIGN (in fact I swapped the article and an existing redirection page) since keeping the old title : "National Gendarmerie Intervention Group" didn't make any sense. There is a redirection page should someone type-in the old name.
Even in France, the full name of Groupe d'intervention de la Gendarmerie nationale is never used (and I am thinking of proposing a name change too) but at least it is the official name while "National Gendarmerie Intervention Group" ...
By the way, I have also checked that the acronym GSG 9 is used as a title for the German unit, rather than the full German name (which is not used anymore anyway).
Best regards, Bruno-- Domenjod ( talk) 19:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:31, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
National Gendarmerie Intervention Group → GIGN – Per WP:COMMONNAME. "GIGN" is unambiguous, precise and more recognisable than the current title. I'm not sure "National Gendarmerie Intervention Group" can even be considered an alternative name, since the English, non-abbreviated form isn't actually used. Should only be noted as a literally translation of French non-abbreviated form. Rob984 ( talk) 23:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello, before we get into another reversion battle, I would like to discuss the new (2014) GIGN motto: S'engager pour la vie, which I translated as : "To enlist for life". Mathglot proposed instead : "A lifelong commitment" which, in my opinion, conveys only one of the two meanings of the motto (ie the long term commitment) but misses the second one (to enlist - or enroll - for protection of life). As English is not my mother language (neither is it mathglot's, I believe) and I may have missed something so I would be interested in opinions/advise. Thanks in advance. Bruno-- Domenjod ( talk) 08:14, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
With respect to the motto, the best translation is "A commitment for life" which carries both meanings and has that nice PR swing to it -- as the other bilingual native-English speaker argued above. It's what I was all set to put even before seeing that editor's entry. In fairness, I can't be bothered reading the entire discussion but suffice to say that -- as a general principle as well as in this instance -- non-native speakers of any language should readily defer to someone who is a native speaker for translations *into* that language. This is not the first disagreement I've seen in Wikipedia when a (clearly) non-native speaker insisted on telling someone how to speak their own language.
I'm going to be bold and change the bloody thing.
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Hello, I just undid an edit by @ USMC Lance: and would like to further explain the reason here, in order to avoid a confusion - or an edit war. This topic has already been discussed a while ago (see above) but I think it is better adressed now that there are separate articles for military units (see List of military special forces units) and civilian or gendarmerie-type police units (see List of special law enforcement units).
I think we should refer to the NATO definition of special operations cited in the article Special forces : military activities conducted by specially designated, organized, trained, and equipped forces, manned with selected personnel, using unconventional tactics, techniques, and modes of employment. The key words here are "military activities" (not military personnel) and "unconventional tactics, techniques and modes of employment". GIGN's mission is not to fight an ennemy army or to use "unconventional" tactics such as guerilla warfare.
Presenting then GIGN as a special operations unit just because the gendarmes are part of the armed forces is misleading. The Gendarmerie IS a police force : its only military missions are military police, protection of certain sites and control of the nuclear forces. It is true that Gendarmerie units have fought as front-line units alongside the Army in the past, but this was long ago and is not the case anymore. The last time was during World War II - against the German Army (and to a lesser extent, against guerilla-type forces during the First Indochina War and the Algerian War).
Gendarmerie units (including GIGN) were engaged recently in the former Yougoslavia, in Afghanistan (POMLTs) and in various African countries but never as front line combattant units and always in a police-orientated mission falling under the category of Foreign internal defense. Some of these missions are also undertaken by special forces so there may be some overlap, just like, for example, when a hostage situation occurs abroad - as illustrated by GIGN's involvement in the hostage situations at Ouvéa (1988) or on the Ponant (2008) alongside French special forces but operating with army or navy special forces doesn't make GIGN a special force in the NATO meaning of the term. And the fact that the Gendarmerie is now part of the Ministry of Interior clearly shows that this is not going to change.
To sum up, I think the term "special operations" should not even appear in the article and the only reasons to leave it there at this time are : 1- because the selection process, training and technical expertise involved are similar to those of the military special forces and 2- for lack of a better term. A better term indeed should be "Special police operations" or "Special Law enforcement operations" (see List of special law enforcement units). Maybe we should create such an article and use this term in the GIGN article instead of "special operations".
Best regards, -- Domenjod ( talk) 10:59, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi @ Domenjod:, I notice you placed the acronym GIGN before the name in the lead in a 18 August 2017 recent edit. I note the NASA article for example in the lead uses "The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).." with the acronym last. I think it should the name first and then the acronym. Also, BBC "The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is a.." GSG9 article is name first and then acroynm. There is a policy WP:ABBR. Regards, -- Melbguy05 ( talk) 09:05, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi @ Melbguy05:. You recently replaced the term SWAT in the paragraph "History" by : Police Tactical Unit. While I fully agree with the term and definitely think it should be used to describe the current GIGN, I thought it would be a good idea to keep the word SWAT - in spite of its US connotation - to describe the "old" GIGN for the following reasons :
By the way, "Police Tactical Unit" is accurate but it is a mouthful and I am leery about using it to many times in an article.
Do you see my points? Do you agree we should use another word for the "old" GIGN (for example "intervention component" as in the paragraph "Structure")? Thanks and rgds, -- Domenjod ( talk) 17:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I wish @ Jinbo4514: had read the talk page before renaming the article. He would have seen that the change from "Groupe d'intevention de la Gendarmerie nationale" to the current tittle "GIGN", had been proposed and then subjected to a community vote according to WP rules. He would thus have avoided such a rash change (and resulting waste of time). Rgds, -- Domenjod ( talk) 11:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I reverted @ Yosy:'s contribution and removed Paul Barril from the short list of "notable" GIGN commanders in the infobox as 1-Barril was only an interim commander and 2- he was sacked due to his actions in the controversial " Irish of Vincennes" affair. One may indeed think that he is indeed a "notable" commander (in a disreputable way) but I think he should not be mentioned as such as 1- the affair itself is not mentioned in the article and, 2- the blame was attributed to himself personnaly rather than to the unit. By the way, other controversial commanders (like Legorgus, for example) do not rate a mention in the inforbox either. So if notable is taken in a positive way, only Prouteau and Favier deserve to be mentioned there because of their deeds. Any thoughts on that matter? Rgds,-- Domenjod ( talk) 22:32, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Domenjod: should the Irish of Vincennes affair be included? From what I gather the arrests were not made by the GIGN but by the "anti-terrorist cell" at the Elysee. Although the latter was led by Prouteau and certainly included former GIGN operatives, the GIGN as an organization wasn't directly involved. Or was it? Yosy ( talk) 14:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you in advance for your answer & best regards
Hello to all interested contributors. @ Ominae: recently deleted the whole paragraph "In popular culture", in reference to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Content guide#Popular culture. While I personnaly won't miss the parts about video games and fiction books, I would like to offer the following comments :
Of the four films that were removed, only one ( L'Assaut) was done with the collaboration and advice of the unit : there are fictional personnal stories intertwined with the action (where female actors are involved) but otherwise, the film matches the numerous accounts that have been made by the real participants of this action.
The other three films are either VERY loosely based on the event they describe ("15 minutes of war), controversial as they present the view of a former GIGN commander who left the unit after the action ( L'Ordre et la Morale) or entirely fictional The Island .
I understand it is difficult to assess whether some of these films deserve a mention in WP or not. I personnaly would leave the "Assault" and "Rebellion" but this is only my opinion and, of course, I'll accept the final decision that will be made on this topic.
For your information, please find below the text that was removed (part of it was written by me).
Rgds, -- Domenjod ( talk) 10:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
− The 2019 film "15 minutes of war" is based upon the GIGN-led liberation of the French pupils captured by the FLCS (Front de Libération de la Côte des Somalis, "Somali Coast Liberation Front") in Djibouti in 1976.
− GIGN is featured in L'Assaut, a 2010 French film about the Air France Flight 8969 hijacking. It was done with the collaboration and the advice of the GIGN.
− L'Ordre et la Morale (Rebellion) was released in 2011 and is about the controversial 1988 Ouvéa cave hostage taking in New Caledonia as seen from the perspective of then GIGN leader Captain Philippe Legorjus. Even though he had played a major role in the negotiations, Legorgus's leadership during and after the action was contested even in his own unit and he left GIGN a few months later.
− In Michael Bay's The Island, Djimon Hounsou plays Albert Laurent, a French private military contractor and GIGN veteran hired to bring back Lincoln Six Echo ( Ewan McGregor) and Jordan Two Delta ( Scarlett Johansson).
GIGN is featured in :
Hello to all. I moved the paragraph below, written by @ GhostInTheMachine: from my Talk page to this one since it relates to this article. After reading the guidelines provided, I reverted my initial revert (well, almost). Of course, guidelines are only suggestions so I could argue that Police tactical unit and "French National Gendarmerie" both use a lot of characters but, in the end, I got the point that A short description is not a definition and went back to a short description using less than 40 characters as per the guidelines provided. -- Domenjod ( talk) 11:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for adding Short descriptions to articles. However, many of these descriptions have been too long – the current guidelines at WP:SDSHORT advise a limit of around 40 characters. Please read the full guidelines at WP:SDCONTENT — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 22:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Here is a summary of several updates I just made:
In case of a problem, please discuss it here. Regards, -- Domenjod ( talk) 08:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)-- Domenjod ( talk) 08:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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I don't think we can really say the GIGN is from the special forces. They are not under commande of the COS (special operations command). David.Monniaux 17:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I must point out that there is a rather obvious discrepancy in the data regarding numbers of GIGN troops. The information displayed on the page says 120 men, specifically citing 11 officers. However, the sidebar says "about 380 gendarmes." That's quite a difference.
206.40.211.51 08:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)RuggedGoodLooks
There was a big change on 1st Sept 2007 : GIGN and EPIGN are merged (Gendarmerie Det /GSPR disbanded) in one unit called GIGN (new GIGN command is nearly same as former GSIGN). So old GIGN had ~120 people, the new has ~380 (inculding support units such as GSIGN training center). Rob1bureau 19:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Every part of the article says its a different number i can see 120-380 and 80 in different places —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.90.156 ( talk) 06:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC) There are articles all over the internet about the reorganisation of the French GIGN absorbing all other French Gendarmerie special mission units. Therefore their numbers are much higher than beforehand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IiXtC ( talk • contribs) 07:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
The total size of the unit may well be around 400-500. Only less than 100 are operators. The current description of the unit size is therefore misleading. 101.98.140.129 ( talk) 00:25, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
If nobody disagrees, I will shorten the section about comparable units and replace it with a link to "List of special police units". This section should only give an idea of what units the GIGN can be compared to, i.e. GSG 9, GEO, etc. This section is way too long and it's starting to turn into a copy of the article about the list of special police units. -- Der rikkk ( talk) 21:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Do we know anything about the GIGN's involvement in countering the gunmen? I am just speculating but this will probably need to be added. JJ5788 ( talk) 03:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
According to the Washington Post, it was Brigades de Recherche et d’Intervention, and not GIGN. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/11/17/this-is-the-battle-worn-shield-police-apparently-used-to-storm-the-bataclan-theater-in-paris/
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Hello, I just updated the article and still plan to add material (mostly references and biographies) in the coming days. Please feel free to improve the text since English is not my mother language (for example, I am not sure if the current moto is best translated as : "to enlist for life" or "to enroll for life". Best regards, Bruno -- Domenjod ( talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC).
PS : I am leery about the title. I think it should be just "GIGN" (just like "GSG 9" is the title for the German unit). I know there is a redirection but I would recommend changing it anyway. Any opinions?
Hello,
As proposed in my edit of March,30, I just changed the article name to GIGN (in fact I swapped the article and an existing redirection page) since keeping the old title : "National Gendarmerie Intervention Group" didn't make any sense. There is a redirection page should someone type-in the old name.
Even in France, the full name of Groupe d'intervention de la Gendarmerie nationale is never used (and I am thinking of proposing a name change too) but at least it is the official name while "National Gendarmerie Intervention Group" ...
By the way, I have also checked that the acronym GSG 9 is used as a title for the German unit, rather than the full German name (which is not used anymore anyway).
Best regards, Bruno-- Domenjod ( talk) 19:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 03:31, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
National Gendarmerie Intervention Group → GIGN – Per WP:COMMONNAME. "GIGN" is unambiguous, precise and more recognisable than the current title. I'm not sure "National Gendarmerie Intervention Group" can even be considered an alternative name, since the English, non-abbreviated form isn't actually used. Should only be noted as a literally translation of French non-abbreviated form. Rob984 ( talk) 23:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello, before we get into another reversion battle, I would like to discuss the new (2014) GIGN motto: S'engager pour la vie, which I translated as : "To enlist for life". Mathglot proposed instead : "A lifelong commitment" which, in my opinion, conveys only one of the two meanings of the motto (ie the long term commitment) but misses the second one (to enlist - or enroll - for protection of life). As English is not my mother language (neither is it mathglot's, I believe) and I may have missed something so I would be interested in opinions/advise. Thanks in advance. Bruno-- Domenjod ( talk) 08:14, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
With respect to the motto, the best translation is "A commitment for life" which carries both meanings and has that nice PR swing to it -- as the other bilingual native-English speaker argued above. It's what I was all set to put even before seeing that editor's entry. In fairness, I can't be bothered reading the entire discussion but suffice to say that -- as a general principle as well as in this instance -- non-native speakers of any language should readily defer to someone who is a native speaker for translations *into* that language. This is not the first disagreement I've seen in Wikipedia when a (clearly) non-native speaker insisted on telling someone how to speak their own language.
I'm going to be bold and change the bloody thing.
alacarte (
talk)
20:55, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I just undid an edit by @ USMC Lance: and would like to further explain the reason here, in order to avoid a confusion - or an edit war. This topic has already been discussed a while ago (see above) but I think it is better adressed now that there are separate articles for military units (see List of military special forces units) and civilian or gendarmerie-type police units (see List of special law enforcement units).
I think we should refer to the NATO definition of special operations cited in the article Special forces : military activities conducted by specially designated, organized, trained, and equipped forces, manned with selected personnel, using unconventional tactics, techniques, and modes of employment. The key words here are "military activities" (not military personnel) and "unconventional tactics, techniques and modes of employment". GIGN's mission is not to fight an ennemy army or to use "unconventional" tactics such as guerilla warfare.
Presenting then GIGN as a special operations unit just because the gendarmes are part of the armed forces is misleading. The Gendarmerie IS a police force : its only military missions are military police, protection of certain sites and control of the nuclear forces. It is true that Gendarmerie units have fought as front-line units alongside the Army in the past, but this was long ago and is not the case anymore. The last time was during World War II - against the German Army (and to a lesser extent, against guerilla-type forces during the First Indochina War and the Algerian War).
Gendarmerie units (including GIGN) were engaged recently in the former Yougoslavia, in Afghanistan (POMLTs) and in various African countries but never as front line combattant units and always in a police-orientated mission falling under the category of Foreign internal defense. Some of these missions are also undertaken by special forces so there may be some overlap, just like, for example, when a hostage situation occurs abroad - as illustrated by GIGN's involvement in the hostage situations at Ouvéa (1988) or on the Ponant (2008) alongside French special forces but operating with army or navy special forces doesn't make GIGN a special force in the NATO meaning of the term. And the fact that the Gendarmerie is now part of the Ministry of Interior clearly shows that this is not going to change.
To sum up, I think the term "special operations" should not even appear in the article and the only reasons to leave it there at this time are : 1- because the selection process, training and technical expertise involved are similar to those of the military special forces and 2- for lack of a better term. A better term indeed should be "Special police operations" or "Special Law enforcement operations" (see List of special law enforcement units). Maybe we should create such an article and use this term in the GIGN article instead of "special operations".
Best regards, -- Domenjod ( talk) 10:59, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi @ Domenjod:, I notice you placed the acronym GIGN before the name in the lead in a 18 August 2017 recent edit. I note the NASA article for example in the lead uses "The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).." with the acronym last. I think it should the name first and then the acronym. Also, BBC "The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is a.." GSG9 article is name first and then acroynm. There is a policy WP:ABBR. Regards, -- Melbguy05 ( talk) 09:05, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi @ Melbguy05:. You recently replaced the term SWAT in the paragraph "History" by : Police Tactical Unit. While I fully agree with the term and definitely think it should be used to describe the current GIGN, I thought it would be a good idea to keep the word SWAT - in spite of its US connotation - to describe the "old" GIGN for the following reasons :
By the way, "Police Tactical Unit" is accurate but it is a mouthful and I am leery about using it to many times in an article.
Do you see my points? Do you agree we should use another word for the "old" GIGN (for example "intervention component" as in the paragraph "Structure")? Thanks and rgds, -- Domenjod ( talk) 17:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I wish @ Jinbo4514: had read the talk page before renaming the article. He would have seen that the change from "Groupe d'intevention de la Gendarmerie nationale" to the current tittle "GIGN", had been proposed and then subjected to a community vote according to WP rules. He would thus have avoided such a rash change (and resulting waste of time). Rgds, -- Domenjod ( talk) 11:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I reverted @ Yosy:'s contribution and removed Paul Barril from the short list of "notable" GIGN commanders in the infobox as 1-Barril was only an interim commander and 2- he was sacked due to his actions in the controversial " Irish of Vincennes" affair. One may indeed think that he is indeed a "notable" commander (in a disreputable way) but I think he should not be mentioned as such as 1- the affair itself is not mentioned in the article and, 2- the blame was attributed to himself personnaly rather than to the unit. By the way, other controversial commanders (like Legorgus, for example) do not rate a mention in the inforbox either. So if notable is taken in a positive way, only Prouteau and Favier deserve to be mentioned there because of their deeds. Any thoughts on that matter? Rgds,-- Domenjod ( talk) 22:32, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Domenjod: should the Irish of Vincennes affair be included? From what I gather the arrests were not made by the GIGN but by the "anti-terrorist cell" at the Elysee. Although the latter was led by Prouteau and certainly included former GIGN operatives, the GIGN as an organization wasn't directly involved. Or was it? Yosy ( talk) 14:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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The following is an extract from a recent communication with Commons admin Majora who kindly explained the reason the logo image had to be removed from Commons but could be directly uploaded to enwiki. I have edited the text for brevity (the original is on Majora's talk page. Best regards, -- Domenjod ( talk) 14:32, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you in advance for your answer & best regards
Hello to all interested contributors. @ Ominae: recently deleted the whole paragraph "In popular culture", in reference to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Content guide#Popular culture. While I personnaly won't miss the parts about video games and fiction books, I would like to offer the following comments :
Of the four films that were removed, only one ( L'Assaut) was done with the collaboration and advice of the unit : there are fictional personnal stories intertwined with the action (where female actors are involved) but otherwise, the film matches the numerous accounts that have been made by the real participants of this action.
The other three films are either VERY loosely based on the event they describe ("15 minutes of war), controversial as they present the view of a former GIGN commander who left the unit after the action ( L'Ordre et la Morale) or entirely fictional The Island .
I understand it is difficult to assess whether some of these films deserve a mention in WP or not. I personnaly would leave the "Assault" and "Rebellion" but this is only my opinion and, of course, I'll accept the final decision that will be made on this topic.
For your information, please find below the text that was removed (part of it was written by me).
Rgds, -- Domenjod ( talk) 10:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
− The 2019 film "15 minutes of war" is based upon the GIGN-led liberation of the French pupils captured by the FLCS (Front de Libération de la Côte des Somalis, "Somali Coast Liberation Front") in Djibouti in 1976.
− GIGN is featured in L'Assaut, a 2010 French film about the Air France Flight 8969 hijacking. It was done with the collaboration and the advice of the GIGN.
− L'Ordre et la Morale (Rebellion) was released in 2011 and is about the controversial 1988 Ouvéa cave hostage taking in New Caledonia as seen from the perspective of then GIGN leader Captain Philippe Legorjus. Even though he had played a major role in the negotiations, Legorgus's leadership during and after the action was contested even in his own unit and he left GIGN a few months later.
− In Michael Bay's The Island, Djimon Hounsou plays Albert Laurent, a French private military contractor and GIGN veteran hired to bring back Lincoln Six Echo ( Ewan McGregor) and Jordan Two Delta ( Scarlett Johansson).
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Hello to all. I moved the paragraph below, written by @ GhostInTheMachine: from my Talk page to this one since it relates to this article. After reading the guidelines provided, I reverted my initial revert (well, almost). Of course, guidelines are only suggestions so I could argue that Police tactical unit and "French National Gendarmerie" both use a lot of characters but, in the end, I got the point that A short description is not a definition and went back to a short description using less than 40 characters as per the guidelines provided. -- Domenjod ( talk) 11:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for adding Short descriptions to articles. However, many of these descriptions have been too long – the current guidelines at WP:SDSHORT advise a limit of around 40 characters. Please read the full guidelines at WP:SDCONTENT — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 22:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Here is a summary of several updates I just made:
In case of a problem, please discuss it here. Regards, -- Domenjod ( talk) 08:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)-- Domenjod ( talk) 08:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)