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Interesting point, well spotted. I think asking the ELR would be in order.
I think you're right, this is an extant J66. Discounting the idea that it's either not a J66, or grossly misnumbered, there were several of these sold off by the LNER in the 1920s-1930s and went into private use. I think some went through the
Staveley Coal and Iron Company, also McAlpine's used some.
Most likely though, this would seem to be 8370, 68370 and then 32
[1]British_Rail_Eastern_Region_departmental_locomotives[2][3]. It was 'withdrawn' around 1952, although actually moved as one of three locos to departmental stock at Stratford (32). Two of these are noted as scrapped in 1959, but 32 had been overhauled in 1956 and so survived a bit longer, until 1962. At which point most histories assume that it was scrapped, but maybe it was either sold out as working, or languished before preservation?
The bunker is wrong, and the dome position on the boiler is way out. The tanks are a rebuild for Thomas duty, but you can't change the frames or boiler so easily.
I agree with Andy Dingley here. The first thing that I spotted was the maker Hudswell Clarke - at this period, the Great Eastern Railway sourced virtually all their locomotives from Stratford Works: with a few exceptions (19
Y14 from Sharp, Stewart in 1884 and 20
S69 from Beardmore in 1920-21), they hadn't needed to buy outside since 1882, when
T. W. Worsdell was on the scene. I can't find any evidence that Hudswell, Clarke ever built locos for the GER. My copy of
Allen, D. W.; Boddy, M. G.; Brown, W. A.; Fry, E. V.; Hennigan, W.; Manners, F.; Neve, E.; Proud, P.; Roundthwaite, T. E.; Tee, D. F.;
Yeadon, W. B. (November 1970). Fry, E. V. (ed.). Locomotives of the L.N.E.R., part 8A: Tank Engines - Classes J50 to J70. Kenilworth:
RCTS. pp. 76–77.
ISBN0-901115-05-3.
shows that all fifty locos of class T18 were built at Stratford, and all were ultimately scrapped, including nine that were sold for further use by industry. BR 68370 became no. 32 in Service stock in September 1952, being condemned in September 1962. --
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Interesting point, well spotted. I think asking the ELR would be in order.
I think you're right, this is an extant J66. Discounting the idea that it's either not a J66, or grossly misnumbered, there were several of these sold off by the LNER in the 1920s-1930s and went into private use. I think some went through the
Staveley Coal and Iron Company, also McAlpine's used some.
Most likely though, this would seem to be 8370, 68370 and then 32
[1]British_Rail_Eastern_Region_departmental_locomotives[2][3]. It was 'withdrawn' around 1952, although actually moved as one of three locos to departmental stock at Stratford (32). Two of these are noted as scrapped in 1959, but 32 had been overhauled in 1956 and so survived a bit longer, until 1962. At which point most histories assume that it was scrapped, but maybe it was either sold out as working, or languished before preservation?
The bunker is wrong, and the dome position on the boiler is way out. The tanks are a rebuild for Thomas duty, but you can't change the frames or boiler so easily.
I agree with Andy Dingley here. The first thing that I spotted was the maker Hudswell Clarke - at this period, the Great Eastern Railway sourced virtually all their locomotives from Stratford Works: with a few exceptions (19
Y14 from Sharp, Stewart in 1884 and 20
S69 from Beardmore in 1920-21), they hadn't needed to buy outside since 1882, when
T. W. Worsdell was on the scene. I can't find any evidence that Hudswell, Clarke ever built locos for the GER. My copy of
Allen, D. W.; Boddy, M. G.; Brown, W. A.; Fry, E. V.; Hennigan, W.; Manners, F.; Neve, E.; Proud, P.; Roundthwaite, T. E.; Tee, D. F.;
Yeadon, W. B. (November 1970). Fry, E. V. (ed.). Locomotives of the L.N.E.R., part 8A: Tank Engines - Classes J50 to J70. Kenilworth:
RCTS. pp. 76–77.
ISBN0-901115-05-3.
shows that all fifty locos of class T18 were built at Stratford, and all were ultimately scrapped, including nine that were sold for further use by industry. BR 68370 became no. 32 in Service stock in September 1952, being condemned in September 1962. --
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12:27, 7 November 2018 (UTC)reply