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I would be interested to know the reason for this entire section being removed (see difference: [1]). Oettinger is a politician and both good and bad information tends to be included on such leading figures. This information is referenced, relevant and of an encyclopaedic nature - see similar articles on state leaders such as this: [2]. BuzzWoof ( talk) 11:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Let's try to work this one out constructively. If you feel "The section was excessive" and "at the very best, one carefully worded sentence would be appropriate" could you or someone else possibly make a more constructive contribution by summarising the section to a length that you feel IS appropriate - rather than removing the ENTIRE section, which is the point I was trying to make. Regarding "It takes up about one third of the entire article" - have you seen the German article on which this one is based? The (objective - and fully referenced) criticism ("Kritik") there takes up around 25% of the article. And the main part of the German "Kritik" section is about the eulogy, so German editors seems to disagree with this being "a trivial issue that hardly belong in this article at all". It clearly is relevant! If this cannot be resolved I would be willing to translate the entire German article, though not soon. Any volunteers? BuzzWoof ( talk) 10:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I get the impression that there is some hidden agenda here that neither interests me, nor (probably) most users of Wikipedia. I would prefer please to stick to facts and leave partisan interests out of this. Agreed, German articles would be evaluated differently from English, but some stuff should go in. The article was, incidentally, not "created primarily to disparage its subject" ( Wikipedia:Attack page). The German article which would also definitely not qualify as "created primarily to disparage its subject" but the English press knows little about half of the stuff in there (even though much of it is known by the German press, including Spiegel). For now, why not put in a short sentence or two as you suggest but I would pad it out so it's not drowning in vagueness and beating about the bush. Readers need to know what the controversial point was. TBH the section you removed before had some of the key facts in it! BuzzWoof ( talk) 13:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Beside the fact that I doubt that he's an english teacher,that statement is nowhere to be seen on the german article. What's the source for this statement of him being an English teacher by profession? harrydober (20:05, 6 February 2010 (GMT +1)
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I would be interested to know the reason for this entire section being removed (see difference: [1]). Oettinger is a politician and both good and bad information tends to be included on such leading figures. This information is referenced, relevant and of an encyclopaedic nature - see similar articles on state leaders such as this: [2]. BuzzWoof ( talk) 11:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Let's try to work this one out constructively. If you feel "The section was excessive" and "at the very best, one carefully worded sentence would be appropriate" could you or someone else possibly make a more constructive contribution by summarising the section to a length that you feel IS appropriate - rather than removing the ENTIRE section, which is the point I was trying to make. Regarding "It takes up about one third of the entire article" - have you seen the German article on which this one is based? The (objective - and fully referenced) criticism ("Kritik") there takes up around 25% of the article. And the main part of the German "Kritik" section is about the eulogy, so German editors seems to disagree with this being "a trivial issue that hardly belong in this article at all". It clearly is relevant! If this cannot be resolved I would be willing to translate the entire German article, though not soon. Any volunteers? BuzzWoof ( talk) 10:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I get the impression that there is some hidden agenda here that neither interests me, nor (probably) most users of Wikipedia. I would prefer please to stick to facts and leave partisan interests out of this. Agreed, German articles would be evaluated differently from English, but some stuff should go in. The article was, incidentally, not "created primarily to disparage its subject" ( Wikipedia:Attack page). The German article which would also definitely not qualify as "created primarily to disparage its subject" but the English press knows little about half of the stuff in there (even though much of it is known by the German press, including Spiegel). For now, why not put in a short sentence or two as you suggest but I would pad it out so it's not drowning in vagueness and beating about the bush. Readers need to know what the controversial point was. TBH the section you removed before had some of the key facts in it! BuzzWoof ( talk) 13:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Beside the fact that I doubt that he's an english teacher,that statement is nowhere to be seen on the german article. What's the source for this statement of him being an English teacher by profession? harrydober (20:05, 6 February 2010 (GMT +1)
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