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Translations I have heard for the word "Götterdämmerung" include:
Explanations for these very different translations can be found on the above Google links. I would love to see a section in the article breaking down these various translations, their accuracies, and their sources. -- 4.65.244.206 18:02, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The final perfomance before the fall of Berlin in WWII by the Berliner Philharmoniker on April 12th 1945 was the finale from Gotterdammerung, as it was felt to be entirely fit for the situation, should this be mentioned in the "Notes" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.210.71 ( talk) 21:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Albert Speer "Inside The Third Reich" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.210.71 ( talk) 02:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
A vivid description of this event is to be found in Cornelius's Ryan's epic of the fall of Berlin The Last Battle. The performance of the piece was the signal from the conductor that the orchestra members should abandon the city immediately after the performance was completed. RM Gillespie ( talk) 23:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed:
At War With The Mystics, the eleventh album by American rock band The Flaming Lips, features a track entitled "Pompeii am Götterdämmerung".
As it appears to have nothing to do with the opera (as well as being irrelevant). -- Alexs letterbox 23:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I havent seen it, but from this article i dont get the reason for the death of the gods? -- 82.131.86.22 13:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
What does the name "Götterdämmerung" have to do with the Battle of Berlin? The note at the top implies some relationship, but I don't see any information in the other article that would enlighten me. -- SCZenz ( talk) 17:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
FYI I don't know how to incorporate this into the article, but in Thor (Marvel Comics) a Marvel Comics wrote a short series based loosely on this, the Nibelunglied and the Volsunga in between issues #292-300.MPA 23:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPA ( talk • contribs)
Deleted a short paragraph that worked to defame Wagner's work by claiming Nazi policies were based on it / Norse mythology, which is utterly absurd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.55.88 ( talk) 05:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I am watching the Spanish production of this. Why does Siegfried leaves Brunnhilde on the rock? Also,if she is human now, would he have left her there to starve? Luckily she is saved by the fake Gibichung. Myrvin ( talk) 11:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Götterdämmerung | |
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by Richard Wagner | |
Translation | Twilight of the Gods |
Librettist | Richard Wagner |
Language | German |
Premiere | 17 August 1876
Bayreuth Festival, as part of the first complete performance of the cycle
Der Ring des Nibelungen |
Other | operas by Wagner
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To treat the four parts of The Ring equally, I added an infobox as an option of project opera, replacing the redundant composer navbox. Kindly leave it in place unless you consider it harmful, and discuss here if it is to stay and how to be improved. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:38, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted the infobox. This major change to the article - which also reflects on the other Ring operas and other Wagner operas - should not have been undertaken singlehandedly without discussion. Some notification to the Wagner and Opera projects would also have been polite, as well as to editors who have worked on the article. Contrary to what Gerda writes above, the composer infobox is not regarded generally as 'redundant', and there is no authority of any sort, as she seems to imply, from the WPOpera project to replace navboxes with infoboxes. Even if the project had expressed such opinion, Gerda knows very well that, by Wikipedia conventions, it does not own opera articles or has any right to issue instructions about them. It ought to operate by seeking consensus; and so should Gerda. -- Smerus ( talk) 16:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
As an alternative to the original proposal, here is a version with a picture related to the specific work and a possibility to see the other stage works also, to be refined, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I invite Gerda to explain precisely in what ways she believes the infobox would improve the article, as oppposed to considering ways of improving the infobox itself. In this way we can commence a discussion as to whether or not an infobox is a useful and appropriate item for the article, and in what ways (if any) it may be more appropriate than the template.-- Smerus ( talk) 20:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, as you know, no editor, not even you, owns an article or can instruct editors not to interfere with their edits. As you appear to refuse my offer to explain and debate your reasons, do you mean by this that you have no arguments to offer in favour of change? If so, then the case is cut and dry, and we can leave things as they are with the template.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Gerda, don't WP:SHOUT; it's 'never appropriate', to quote the WP guideline. That may be helpful to you in the mission to improve articles of yourself and your paretners in your "collaboration resource", as you call it, PumpkinSky, Montantabw and Pigsonthewing. I do not agree that any of the excuses you gave above were evidence-based reasons to install an infobox, and clearly neither does Michael Bednarek, with whose comments I agree. I await evidence based reasons as to why an infobox should be installed here.-- Smerus ( talk) 07:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the the wikidata comment above. It is not wikidata that uses template data, it is a number of toolserver (now wmlabs) tools that provide access to raw data based on infoboxes. As far as the picture is concerned, it is not that I don't like the picture, it is that in its present form it is just a remotely connected article garnish which should be replaced with something article related. Agathoclea ( talk) 11:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Götterdämmerung | |
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Opera by Richard Wagner | |
Translation | Twilight of the Gods |
Librettist | Richard Wagner |
Language | German |
Premiere | 17 August 1876
Bayreuth Festival, as part of the first complete performance of the cycle
Der Ring des Nibelungen |
Other | List of works for the stage by Wagner |
No editors should be allowed to thwart Wikipedia's goal of making our content available to as many people as we can reach. We donate our contributions under a free licence that allows anybody to reuse or modify them however they choose for that very reason. Like it or not, we are not writing articles just to be read by highly educated English speakers as if it were on paper - and if some readers (including those who don't have English as a first language) want to see a brief overview of key facts in a standard format, none of us have the right to deny them that. An infobox gives that to this article.
An infobox also provides its information for other users beyond the traditional paper-reading audience by semantically marking up content to make its meaning clearer to anyone using the tools to see that content. That includes the huge range of reusers of our encyclopedia from Google down to individual researchers who may use our information for purposes we have not yet thought of. Those people may be engaged in repackaging, translating or otherwise making our content available to a far wider audience than just the narrow segment that seems to be the preoccupation here. There is no doubt whatsoever that bringing our information to many more users in different forms is an improvement to any article and the ability of an infobox to facilitate that improvement favours its addition. I'd be grateful if any responses would actually address these issues. I don't have a problem with discussing valid reasons why a simple infobox such as the one shown here (add your own image or place it above) disadvantages this article; but I don't intend to be derailed by claptrap about Wikidata coming from those who have no idea about what that project does (although I'll state clearly that it's not a replacement for making the English Wikipedia content more available through semantic markup). -- RexxS ( talk) 12:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Infoboxes should be added after discussion on talkpage. No discussion took place here. I don't think the box very appropriate. Have removed it pending further discussion. I am flagging the issue at WP:Opera and WP:Wagner.-- Smerus ( talk) 10:30, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
"no discussion took place here", why is your section header suffixed "again", and just below a long section called "" Infobox" (to which I have now appended it)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:17, 27 August 2015 (UT
The initial letter of the word "ring" should not be capitalized, unless the word is part of a title, as in "The Ring of the Nibelung", in which case it should also be italicized. If you're referring to the magic ring itself, it should be spelled "ring", not "Ring". I am replacing several incorrect "Ring"s with more correct "ring"s in the synopsis. Goblinshark17 ( talk) 07:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Götterdämmerung/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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B class. This article is similar in quality to
Das Rheingold,
Die Walküre and
Siegfried. As with the other article, I've 'credited' it with the information in the three Ring articles (
Der Ring des Nibelungen,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the text,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the music). It could benefit from:
-- Kleinzach 00:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Agreed. Nothing to add. -- GuillaumeTell 21:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Low Start 36/100. I disagree with the above reviewers on fully crediting the contents of the other articles. WP:Summary makes it clear that a summary of the information should be included here as well as the more detailed analysis elsewhere.
-- Peter cohen 12:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC) Further to discussion at WT:Richard Wagner I am downgrading this article to Start as the views expressed there are that information from other articles should not be assumed.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 19:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC) |
Last edited at 19:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 16:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I changed the sentence in "Analysis" that states Hagen's stab in the back was inspiration for the he myth that the German Army did not lose World War I, but was instead defeated by a treasonous "stab in the back" from civilians. It stated this as fact, which is obviously unverifiable (and dubiously signficant IMHO). I restate it as a suggestion from John Roberts (historian). However, it's unlikely he was the first to suggest this, so I ask anyone with better knowledge to provide a better citation. Unless this is deemed too trivial to belong in the article. Zaslav ( talk) 02:55, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
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Götterdämmerung (Twilight of the Gods) is the last in Richard Wagner's cycle of four music dramas entitled Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring of the Nibelung). It received its premiere at the Bayreuth Festspielhaus on 17 August 1876, as part of the first complete performance of the Ring cycle. The work's title originates from Norse mythology and refers to a prophesied war among various beings and gods that ultimately results in the burning, immersion in water, and renewal of the world. This painting is an 1894 reproduction of the final scene from Götterdämmerung, showing Valhalla in flames, by Max Brückner, one of the original set designers for the opera. Painting credit: Max Brückner; restored by Adam Cuerden
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Translations I have heard for the word "Götterdämmerung" include:
Explanations for these very different translations can be found on the above Google links. I would love to see a section in the article breaking down these various translations, their accuracies, and their sources. -- 4.65.244.206 18:02, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The final perfomance before the fall of Berlin in WWII by the Berliner Philharmoniker on April 12th 1945 was the finale from Gotterdammerung, as it was felt to be entirely fit for the situation, should this be mentioned in the "Notes" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.210.71 ( talk) 21:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Albert Speer "Inside The Third Reich" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.210.71 ( talk) 02:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
A vivid description of this event is to be found in Cornelius's Ryan's epic of the fall of Berlin The Last Battle. The performance of the piece was the signal from the conductor that the orchestra members should abandon the city immediately after the performance was completed. RM Gillespie ( talk) 23:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed:
At War With The Mystics, the eleventh album by American rock band The Flaming Lips, features a track entitled "Pompeii am Götterdämmerung".
As it appears to have nothing to do with the opera (as well as being irrelevant). -- Alexs letterbox 23:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I havent seen it, but from this article i dont get the reason for the death of the gods? -- 82.131.86.22 13:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
What does the name "Götterdämmerung" have to do with the Battle of Berlin? The note at the top implies some relationship, but I don't see any information in the other article that would enlighten me. -- SCZenz ( talk) 17:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
FYI I don't know how to incorporate this into the article, but in Thor (Marvel Comics) a Marvel Comics wrote a short series based loosely on this, the Nibelunglied and the Volsunga in between issues #292-300.MPA 23:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPA ( talk • contribs)
Deleted a short paragraph that worked to defame Wagner's work by claiming Nazi policies were based on it / Norse mythology, which is utterly absurd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.55.88 ( talk) 05:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I am watching the Spanish production of this. Why does Siegfried leaves Brunnhilde on the rock? Also,if she is human now, would he have left her there to starve? Luckily she is saved by the fake Gibichung. Myrvin ( talk) 11:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Götterdämmerung | |
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by Richard Wagner | |
Translation | Twilight of the Gods |
Librettist | Richard Wagner |
Language | German |
Premiere | 17 August 1876
Bayreuth Festival, as part of the first complete performance of the cycle
Der Ring des Nibelungen |
Other | operas by Wagner
|
To treat the four parts of The Ring equally, I added an infobox as an option of project opera, replacing the redundant composer navbox. Kindly leave it in place unless you consider it harmful, and discuss here if it is to stay and how to be improved. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:38, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted the infobox. This major change to the article - which also reflects on the other Ring operas and other Wagner operas - should not have been undertaken singlehandedly without discussion. Some notification to the Wagner and Opera projects would also have been polite, as well as to editors who have worked on the article. Contrary to what Gerda writes above, the composer infobox is not regarded generally as 'redundant', and there is no authority of any sort, as she seems to imply, from the WPOpera project to replace navboxes with infoboxes. Even if the project had expressed such opinion, Gerda knows very well that, by Wikipedia conventions, it does not own opera articles or has any right to issue instructions about them. It ought to operate by seeking consensus; and so should Gerda. -- Smerus ( talk) 16:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
As an alternative to the original proposal, here is a version with a picture related to the specific work and a possibility to see the other stage works also, to be refined, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I invite Gerda to explain precisely in what ways she believes the infobox would improve the article, as oppposed to considering ways of improving the infobox itself. In this way we can commence a discussion as to whether or not an infobox is a useful and appropriate item for the article, and in what ways (if any) it may be more appropriate than the template.-- Smerus ( talk) 20:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, as you know, no editor, not even you, owns an article or can instruct editors not to interfere with their edits. As you appear to refuse my offer to explain and debate your reasons, do you mean by this that you have no arguments to offer in favour of change? If so, then the case is cut and dry, and we can leave things as they are with the template.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Gerda, don't WP:SHOUT; it's 'never appropriate', to quote the WP guideline. That may be helpful to you in the mission to improve articles of yourself and your paretners in your "collaboration resource", as you call it, PumpkinSky, Montantabw and Pigsonthewing. I do not agree that any of the excuses you gave above were evidence-based reasons to install an infobox, and clearly neither does Michael Bednarek, with whose comments I agree. I await evidence based reasons as to why an infobox should be installed here.-- Smerus ( talk) 07:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the the wikidata comment above. It is not wikidata that uses template data, it is a number of toolserver (now wmlabs) tools that provide access to raw data based on infoboxes. As far as the picture is concerned, it is not that I don't like the picture, it is that in its present form it is just a remotely connected article garnish which should be replaced with something article related. Agathoclea ( talk) 11:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Götterdämmerung | |
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Opera by Richard Wagner | |
Translation | Twilight of the Gods |
Librettist | Richard Wagner |
Language | German |
Premiere | 17 August 1876
Bayreuth Festival, as part of the first complete performance of the cycle
Der Ring des Nibelungen |
Other | List of works for the stage by Wagner |
No editors should be allowed to thwart Wikipedia's goal of making our content available to as many people as we can reach. We donate our contributions under a free licence that allows anybody to reuse or modify them however they choose for that very reason. Like it or not, we are not writing articles just to be read by highly educated English speakers as if it were on paper - and if some readers (including those who don't have English as a first language) want to see a brief overview of key facts in a standard format, none of us have the right to deny them that. An infobox gives that to this article.
An infobox also provides its information for other users beyond the traditional paper-reading audience by semantically marking up content to make its meaning clearer to anyone using the tools to see that content. That includes the huge range of reusers of our encyclopedia from Google down to individual researchers who may use our information for purposes we have not yet thought of. Those people may be engaged in repackaging, translating or otherwise making our content available to a far wider audience than just the narrow segment that seems to be the preoccupation here. There is no doubt whatsoever that bringing our information to many more users in different forms is an improvement to any article and the ability of an infobox to facilitate that improvement favours its addition. I'd be grateful if any responses would actually address these issues. I don't have a problem with discussing valid reasons why a simple infobox such as the one shown here (add your own image or place it above) disadvantages this article; but I don't intend to be derailed by claptrap about Wikidata coming from those who have no idea about what that project does (although I'll state clearly that it's not a replacement for making the English Wikipedia content more available through semantic markup). -- RexxS ( talk) 12:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Infoboxes should be added after discussion on talkpage. No discussion took place here. I don't think the box very appropriate. Have removed it pending further discussion. I am flagging the issue at WP:Opera and WP:Wagner.-- Smerus ( talk) 10:30, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
"no discussion took place here", why is your section header suffixed "again", and just below a long section called "" Infobox" (to which I have now appended it)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:17, 27 August 2015 (UT
The initial letter of the word "ring" should not be capitalized, unless the word is part of a title, as in "The Ring of the Nibelung", in which case it should also be italicized. If you're referring to the magic ring itself, it should be spelled "ring", not "Ring". I am replacing several incorrect "Ring"s with more correct "ring"s in the synopsis. Goblinshark17 ( talk) 07:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Götterdämmerung/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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B class. This article is similar in quality to
Das Rheingold,
Die Walküre and
Siegfried. As with the other article, I've 'credited' it with the information in the three Ring articles (
Der Ring des Nibelungen,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the text,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the music). It could benefit from:
-- Kleinzach 00:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Agreed. Nothing to add. -- GuillaumeTell 21:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Low Start 36/100. I disagree with the above reviewers on fully crediting the contents of the other articles. WP:Summary makes it clear that a summary of the information should be included here as well as the more detailed analysis elsewhere.
-- Peter cohen 12:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC) Further to discussion at WT:Richard Wagner I am downgrading this article to Start as the views expressed there are that information from other articles should not be assumed.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 19:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC) |
Last edited at 19:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 16:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I changed the sentence in "Analysis" that states Hagen's stab in the back was inspiration for the he myth that the German Army did not lose World War I, but was instead defeated by a treasonous "stab in the back" from civilians. It stated this as fact, which is obviously unverifiable (and dubiously signficant IMHO). I restate it as a suggestion from John Roberts (historian). However, it's unlikely he was the first to suggest this, so I ask anyone with better knowledge to provide a better citation. Unless this is deemed too trivial to belong in the article. Zaslav ( talk) 02:55, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello! This is to let editors know that the featured picture File:Max Brückner - Otto Henning - Richard Wagner - Final scene of Götterdämmerung.jpg, which is used in this article, has been selected as the English Wikipedia's picture of the day (POTD) for October 12, 2020. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2020-10-12. Any potential improvements or maintenance that could benefit the quality of this article should be made before its scheduled appearance on the Main Page. If you have any concerns, please place a message at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Götterdämmerung (Twilight of the Gods) is the last in Richard Wagner's cycle of four music dramas entitled Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring of the Nibelung). It received its premiere at the Bayreuth Festspielhaus on 17 August 1876, as part of the first complete performance of the Ring cycle. The work's title originates from Norse mythology and refers to a prophesied war among various beings and gods that ultimately results in the burning, immersion in water, and renewal of the world. This painting is an 1894 reproduction of the final scene from Götterdämmerung, showing Valhalla in flames, by Max Brückner, one of the original set designers for the opera. Painting credit: Max Brückner; restored by Adam Cuerden
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