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Perhaps veering off-topic a little, but it might be helpful to have a link to "Furryboots City" for disambiguation if nothing else :) . . . dave souza, talk 10:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I just want to ask a question ? Are all Furs gay ? like GreenRaper ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.62.204.186 ( talk) 12:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The explanation offered for the etymology of the term within the subculture is that it is an onomatopoeia for the sound foxes make when mating.
Putting aside that very uncomfortable question-- How did they know what foxes mating in the wild sound like? Was it from some kind of personal experience or what?-- for a moment, I don't think this is accurate. There is no one, single expanation for the invention of the term. I could find several online articles by furries with different theories. The Squicks ( talk) 06:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
There should be a category on furries and the internet. Tailsfan2 ( talk) 17:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
People who believe they are animals, people who have sex in fur suits, even people who fantasize sexually about the Rescue Rangers, an absurd slang with words like "scritching" and "yiffing"... to me, it seems too absurd to be true. I'm naturally lead to doubt everything I see or read through a screen, thus I'm led to doubt the existence of "furry fandom" as described in this article. To me, this seems the biggest troll that ever hit the internet, where people who "caught on" started photographing themselves in fur suits, inventing a nonexistent slang and stating to do things that are so stupid, so inane that nobody could logically believe... to deceive gullible people into believing that "furry fandom" exists, and laugh at them. If this is the case, this article would have no reason to exist (or at least it would need to be totally rewritten) because it would describe a nonexisting phenomenon. Devil Master ( talk) 12:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The article cites 'deviantdesires.com', which is a garden-variety porn site. Was the etymology of the word 'furvert' something that author Katharine Gates mentioned in her book Deviant Desires? If so, the article should refer to the book and its ISBN specifically. The Squicks ( talk) 02:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Removed the reference due lack of proper citation, notability, google check and anecdotal evidence. Please mention the edit before reverting or otherwise. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 09:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
40% of all furries answer 'yes' to the question: "If you could be 0% human, would you?" Forgive me for editorializing for a second, but this is rather surprising. I would think that the truely hardcore furry fans would want to be like animals and have problem solving intelligence. To be 10% human like, for example, Balto.
Anyways, this survey result seems particularly notable. The Squicks ( talk) 03:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Is the furry the species he or she wants to be? If the furry says they would be 0% human if possible, that is unattained because they are a human and have not reached their goal. If the furry did not want to be 0% human, that is attained because to the objective observer, they have attained this goal because they are a human.
There have been numerous attempts to add mention of the term "furfag" to the article, many of them by vandals and trolls, but a couple of the recent attempts to add it were arguably good faith edits, which got me thinking about whether the term should be addressed in the article in some form or another. Despite being considered a derogatory term by most furry fans, it is perhaps in widespread enough usage to deserve mention in the article.
What do the rest of you think? -- Mwalimu59 ( talk) 18:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
My question is this: As many people have problems with furries, especially religious groups, I wonder why there is no Criticisms or perhaps "furries in the real world" section, detailing the various events in which furries have been protested against, criticized by mainstream psychology or the media, and perhaps even other issues. This is absolutely pertinent to the subject and the fact that it is not in this article leads me to believe that every single one of the authors is a furry, and therefore this article is the best example of absolute bias. Keep in mind, I mention this in the "furfag" section because the general theme of this section is about criticism of furries (in this case, a word). I am not linking the topic of criticism to the word itself. I just didnt feel like creating its own section. Gordonliu420 ( talk) 05:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I think this has gone on long enough. -- Kesh ( talk) 23:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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I've had a look through this article, and other than the small survey results, there's nothing in the article talking about the links between furries and zoophilia. Considering that the sexually the large number of (sexual) furries connected with such places like beastforum, and the actual content of "yiff" or whatever, I believe this deserves a deeper look. However, this is probably going to be completly ignored. Wouldn't want to upset the cabal, would we? PretentiousNameHere ( talk) 00:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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In response to a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, I've currently semi-protected this page. Because the page was previously move-protected, I have not set any automated expiry time for this current protection. The requesting user asked for indefinite semi-protection, but I figured it couldn't hurt to solicit some input, there. Would appreciate some comments or thoughts as to whether/when protection should expire, here, at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Semi-protection at Furry fandom (now archived). Thanks for your time. – Luna Santin ( talk) 06:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
This was a Good Article nominee once, but, apparently, did not pass the mark. Is this still true? If so, then what needs to be done to reassure quality: is there set amount of illustrations, references, citations, wording or wordcount to be met? The items in Good Article or to-do list just seem to be vague enough to appear to already be met. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 18:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Articles on homosexuality, pedophilia, etc. have sections for the organized groups that oppose them. There are several websites dedicated to exposing furries, and they should be in the article just as there are websites that are pro-furry in the article.-- Nationalism ( talk) 02:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, good faith... But... I don't see a single way in which doing this would benefit the article, or why it should be mentioned at all. It just seems about as sensible as adding a mention of West Bro Baptists Church to Homosexuality or War in Iraq article.
I don't think the article on homosexuality, knitting or, closer to home, Trekkies include links to any "Anti" sites, and for a good reason - it's irrelevant to the subject. Or, as someone else stated, just not notable enough: the term "anti-furry" gives only roughly 9,000 hits on Google. "Furry" itself gets over 16,000,000 hits, and we can't find much reliable sources for the article still.
Furthermore, as your WikiFur reference, and as brief google search clearly state, a few "anti-furry" sites that do exist are not dedicated to distaste (?) of the fandom as such, but rather general trolling - and there's absolutely no merit in bringing up deliberately untrue references on the Wiki. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 10:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
this page seems to totally unfocus on the true aspect of furryism, a homosexual fetish of having sex in animal costumes. this has barely even been inferred upon in the article. either a new subsection needs to be made or maybe a seperate article( Furry_(sexual_fetish). For god's sake, the Encyclopedia Dramatica for Furry is more accurate than this wikipedia article. this page is truely a disgrace to wikipedia's standards. Im not denying that there are non-sexual furries, but the vast majority arent. I was expecting to click on this article's talk page to see a multitude of users saying this article needs to be completely re-written, but instead i see people posting and linking to WikiFur? WTF! what happened to wikipedia, wikipedia is supposed to represtent a TRUE, NEUTRAL and UNBIASED view of all information. This page should be marked for deletion. Taint3dmem0riez6 ( talk) 17:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmm....Encyclopedia Dramatica is a satirical, dark humor, sexually-intense, anonymous-influenced website that takes the Internet too seriously by any means! The disgrace god-awful furry article on the Encyclopedia Dramatica's users are not anti-furry and most of the admins themselves are furries. But the article may make fun of and disinformation of the furry fandom with half-truths. It may offend and give the furry fandom a bad name with that stupid article made by many immature anonymous bastards. I actually "Hate" Encyclopedia Dramatica. This article should not ever be deleted!! WikiFur is a friendly neutral furry supporter community and helps the Furry Fandom with good reputation and sympathizing to get off the furry fandom's bad side. The furry fandom is not always a sexual fetish filled with homosexuals, consider researching a bit more. The Furry article in Dramatica is not that accurate. I can't stand the article at all. This furry fandom article on Wikipedia is good enough, but it needs more information and references to improve it. We're not gonna mess up the article with satirical misinformation disinformation to this article. Dont' be ignorant about it. No more negativity please! The hate and ridicule must be stopped! -- SilverWerewolf ( talk) 3:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Three strikes: WP:ATTACK, WP:FORUM, WP:CIVILITY.
Don't feed the trolls. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 21:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Users will get banned or suspended from their accounts if they use vandalism, personal attacks, and disobeying Wikipedia guideline standards. The Furry Fandom article will still be protected from trolls, haters, and attackers. Any user or non-user might have their IP address banned. Any vandalism to this article will be reverted. Please keep it clean! Thank you. -- SilverWerewolf ( talk) 25:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I think there should be some description of the various types of furries, such as the furries that want to fuck pregnant humanoid animals, the furries that want to fuck humanoid animals that wear diapers, etc. I don't really know where one would find sources about these people, but I've seen some really crazy stuff on the internet so I think there must be some kind of documentation of the types furry sexuality.-- Nationalism ( talk) 11:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Disclaimer: This doesn't seem to deserve a proper discussion this time, for apparent reasons. If anyone has any valid points on the matter, please, feel free to add such. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 17:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
While i dont want to "feed the troll", i do feel it might be a valid argument to add a section on the varying levels of "commitment" to the fandom. I know several people who think of being furry almost on the level of a religion. While others its more of a fun past time on the odd weekend. Thoughts? Sono hito ( talk) 16:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I bring this up as an item possibly in need of extention (Furry lifestylers) or perhaps if we get enough resources as its own topic as a subset group. Otherkin being mentioned is usefull, but feel that more could be added. Being what would be called a "weekend furry" I cant speak on this subject to any great extent but feel that it deserves mention or consideration for extention of the Furry lifestylers segment. While this group may be comparitively small i find the subject facinating. Ideas/coments? Sono hito ( talk) 15:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Why does 'where is your god now' redirect to furry fandom? As far as I can see it's entirely a 4chan joke, but maybe I'm wrong. Did the phrase stem from furries to begin with, and if so, is that sufficient reason for it to redirect here? I suggest that it either redirect to the article on 4chan or be deleted. LastSasquatch ( talk) 07:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if a further elaboration of the socio- and psychological background of the furry fandom is in order. I think it would be useful to try and point out these prosopographic traits - for instance, we know from the survey that unsurprisingly, the majority of people who identify as "furry" are white males, American and middle class. But are they religious, or have they a troubled religious history (repressed sexuality)? Are furries more likely to have interests such as anime, lolicon, certain types of popular music, fascination with the Orient, gaming, or other hobbies regarded as 'nerdy' by mainstream culture? Are there differences between European - I myself am familiar with the vibrant (heh) and 'interesting' ;) Belgian scene and fandom in Luxembourg - and American furries? Were furries more likely than not raised in broken homes? Have there been American studies regarding these topics? I really think these questions need answers (if there are any); we might as well merge these topics with the section "Fandom survey"? 81.164.168.100 ( talk) 21:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
There will be no definite or even close to arguable answer unless someone finds some studies related to the subject - and extensive ones. As far as we know, there are simply none. Other than that, I'm not sure why would you want any data linking the subject to any sort of backgrounds, as it has nothing to do with the subject of interest, and thus the fandom in the first place. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 09:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Well there was this article on New Scientist recently ( http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news8_head_d14146). Evidence is mounting that homosexuality is in fact for a large part based in our brains. This could indicate that "animal sexuality" and furry fandom is not merely a choice, that it's not "an invented, imagined and self-reinforcing community of white Japanophile self-diagnosed shutins and broken people, centered around perverse ideas of sexuality", as some at the "usual suspects" of anti-furry websites would contend. And more importantly, future parents could one day find out beforehand that their child will be predisposed to furry fandom, and evidently make the right supportive, educational and social choices. This could also help reduce the social stigma associated with bestiality in Western contemporary culture (as I'm sure we're all very familiar with). I understand that this is not a definitive study on the subject but it might be interesting nonetheless. Besides, Draco2k, there is already a survey cited in the article detailing various aspects of the sociological backgrounds of furries (class, "race", nationality). Why would other similar traits (the ones I mentioned, like family life, hobbies, religious conflict) be inappropriate? Or less-appropriate? And nationalism, assuming you aren't trolling again - I'm very active in the Belgian scene ... animal shelters and the like.. je weet wel wat ik bedoel ;) 81.164.168.100 ( talk) 10:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I found a rather relevant link on the matter, quite an interesting read, however, it does not fall in the RS category in the slightest, and thus should not be quoted in the article.
http://www.klisoura.com/ot_furrysurvey.php
If anyone knows of this survey from a published or otherwise reliable source, please, be bold and add it. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 14:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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I've archived out the the seemingly offtopic discussion above. If we are to be productive, let's concentrate on improving the article and not the general matters. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 18:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I understand dressing up as mascots, that seems like fun. But I don't understand the internet aspect. Is this related or something different? Why do they have genitals and exposed breasts? I don't think this is appropriate for children. Mascots are supposed to be entertaining and wholesome! -- 68.11.152.41 ( talk) 00:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
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![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on March 4 2008. The result of the discussion was speedy keep. |
Perhaps veering off-topic a little, but it might be helpful to have a link to "Furryboots City" for disambiguation if nothing else :) . . . dave souza, talk 10:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I just want to ask a question ? Are all Furs gay ? like GreenRaper ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.62.204.186 ( talk) 12:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The explanation offered for the etymology of the term within the subculture is that it is an onomatopoeia for the sound foxes make when mating.
Putting aside that very uncomfortable question-- How did they know what foxes mating in the wild sound like? Was it from some kind of personal experience or what?-- for a moment, I don't think this is accurate. There is no one, single expanation for the invention of the term. I could find several online articles by furries with different theories. The Squicks ( talk) 06:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
There should be a category on furries and the internet. Tailsfan2 ( talk) 17:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
People who believe they are animals, people who have sex in fur suits, even people who fantasize sexually about the Rescue Rangers, an absurd slang with words like "scritching" and "yiffing"... to me, it seems too absurd to be true. I'm naturally lead to doubt everything I see or read through a screen, thus I'm led to doubt the existence of "furry fandom" as described in this article. To me, this seems the biggest troll that ever hit the internet, where people who "caught on" started photographing themselves in fur suits, inventing a nonexistent slang and stating to do things that are so stupid, so inane that nobody could logically believe... to deceive gullible people into believing that "furry fandom" exists, and laugh at them. If this is the case, this article would have no reason to exist (or at least it would need to be totally rewritten) because it would describe a nonexisting phenomenon. Devil Master ( talk) 12:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The article cites 'deviantdesires.com', which is a garden-variety porn site. Was the etymology of the word 'furvert' something that author Katharine Gates mentioned in her book Deviant Desires? If so, the article should refer to the book and its ISBN specifically. The Squicks ( talk) 02:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Removed the reference due lack of proper citation, notability, google check and anecdotal evidence. Please mention the edit before reverting or otherwise. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 09:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
40% of all furries answer 'yes' to the question: "If you could be 0% human, would you?" Forgive me for editorializing for a second, but this is rather surprising. I would think that the truely hardcore furry fans would want to be like animals and have problem solving intelligence. To be 10% human like, for example, Balto.
Anyways, this survey result seems particularly notable. The Squicks ( talk) 03:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Is the furry the species he or she wants to be? If the furry says they would be 0% human if possible, that is unattained because they are a human and have not reached their goal. If the furry did not want to be 0% human, that is attained because to the objective observer, they have attained this goal because they are a human.
There have been numerous attempts to add mention of the term "furfag" to the article, many of them by vandals and trolls, but a couple of the recent attempts to add it were arguably good faith edits, which got me thinking about whether the term should be addressed in the article in some form or another. Despite being considered a derogatory term by most furry fans, it is perhaps in widespread enough usage to deserve mention in the article.
What do the rest of you think? -- Mwalimu59 ( talk) 18:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
My question is this: As many people have problems with furries, especially religious groups, I wonder why there is no Criticisms or perhaps "furries in the real world" section, detailing the various events in which furries have been protested against, criticized by mainstream psychology or the media, and perhaps even other issues. This is absolutely pertinent to the subject and the fact that it is not in this article leads me to believe that every single one of the authors is a furry, and therefore this article is the best example of absolute bias. Keep in mind, I mention this in the "furfag" section because the general theme of this section is about criticism of furries (in this case, a word). I am not linking the topic of criticism to the word itself. I just didnt feel like creating its own section. Gordonliu420 ( talk) 05:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I think this has gone on long enough. -- Kesh ( talk) 23:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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I've had a look through this article, and other than the small survey results, there's nothing in the article talking about the links between furries and zoophilia. Considering that the sexually the large number of (sexual) furries connected with such places like beastforum, and the actual content of "yiff" or whatever, I believe this deserves a deeper look. However, this is probably going to be completly ignored. Wouldn't want to upset the cabal, would we? PretentiousNameHere ( talk) 00:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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In response to a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, I've currently semi-protected this page. Because the page was previously move-protected, I have not set any automated expiry time for this current protection. The requesting user asked for indefinite semi-protection, but I figured it couldn't hurt to solicit some input, there. Would appreciate some comments or thoughts as to whether/when protection should expire, here, at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Semi-protection at Furry fandom (now archived). Thanks for your time. – Luna Santin ( talk) 06:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
This was a Good Article nominee once, but, apparently, did not pass the mark. Is this still true? If so, then what needs to be done to reassure quality: is there set amount of illustrations, references, citations, wording or wordcount to be met? The items in Good Article or to-do list just seem to be vague enough to appear to already be met. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 18:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Articles on homosexuality, pedophilia, etc. have sections for the organized groups that oppose them. There are several websites dedicated to exposing furries, and they should be in the article just as there are websites that are pro-furry in the article.-- Nationalism ( talk) 02:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, good faith... But... I don't see a single way in which doing this would benefit the article, or why it should be mentioned at all. It just seems about as sensible as adding a mention of West Bro Baptists Church to Homosexuality or War in Iraq article.
I don't think the article on homosexuality, knitting or, closer to home, Trekkies include links to any "Anti" sites, and for a good reason - it's irrelevant to the subject. Or, as someone else stated, just not notable enough: the term "anti-furry" gives only roughly 9,000 hits on Google. "Furry" itself gets over 16,000,000 hits, and we can't find much reliable sources for the article still.
Furthermore, as your WikiFur reference, and as brief google search clearly state, a few "anti-furry" sites that do exist are not dedicated to distaste (?) of the fandom as such, but rather general trolling - and there's absolutely no merit in bringing up deliberately untrue references on the Wiki. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 10:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
this page seems to totally unfocus on the true aspect of furryism, a homosexual fetish of having sex in animal costumes. this has barely even been inferred upon in the article. either a new subsection needs to be made or maybe a seperate article( Furry_(sexual_fetish). For god's sake, the Encyclopedia Dramatica for Furry is more accurate than this wikipedia article. this page is truely a disgrace to wikipedia's standards. Im not denying that there are non-sexual furries, but the vast majority arent. I was expecting to click on this article's talk page to see a multitude of users saying this article needs to be completely re-written, but instead i see people posting and linking to WikiFur? WTF! what happened to wikipedia, wikipedia is supposed to represtent a TRUE, NEUTRAL and UNBIASED view of all information. This page should be marked for deletion. Taint3dmem0riez6 ( talk) 17:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmm....Encyclopedia Dramatica is a satirical, dark humor, sexually-intense, anonymous-influenced website that takes the Internet too seriously by any means! The disgrace god-awful furry article on the Encyclopedia Dramatica's users are not anti-furry and most of the admins themselves are furries. But the article may make fun of and disinformation of the furry fandom with half-truths. It may offend and give the furry fandom a bad name with that stupid article made by many immature anonymous bastards. I actually "Hate" Encyclopedia Dramatica. This article should not ever be deleted!! WikiFur is a friendly neutral furry supporter community and helps the Furry Fandom with good reputation and sympathizing to get off the furry fandom's bad side. The furry fandom is not always a sexual fetish filled with homosexuals, consider researching a bit more. The Furry article in Dramatica is not that accurate. I can't stand the article at all. This furry fandom article on Wikipedia is good enough, but it needs more information and references to improve it. We're not gonna mess up the article with satirical misinformation disinformation to this article. Dont' be ignorant about it. No more negativity please! The hate and ridicule must be stopped! -- SilverWerewolf ( talk) 3:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Three strikes: WP:ATTACK, WP:FORUM, WP:CIVILITY.
Don't feed the trolls. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 21:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Users will get banned or suspended from their accounts if they use vandalism, personal attacks, and disobeying Wikipedia guideline standards. The Furry Fandom article will still be protected from trolls, haters, and attackers. Any user or non-user might have their IP address banned. Any vandalism to this article will be reverted. Please keep it clean! Thank you. -- SilverWerewolf ( talk) 25:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I think there should be some description of the various types of furries, such as the furries that want to fuck pregnant humanoid animals, the furries that want to fuck humanoid animals that wear diapers, etc. I don't really know where one would find sources about these people, but I've seen some really crazy stuff on the internet so I think there must be some kind of documentation of the types furry sexuality.-- Nationalism ( talk) 11:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Disclaimer: This doesn't seem to deserve a proper discussion this time, for apparent reasons. If anyone has any valid points on the matter, please, feel free to add such. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 17:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
While i dont want to "feed the troll", i do feel it might be a valid argument to add a section on the varying levels of "commitment" to the fandom. I know several people who think of being furry almost on the level of a religion. While others its more of a fun past time on the odd weekend. Thoughts? Sono hito ( talk) 16:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I bring this up as an item possibly in need of extention (Furry lifestylers) or perhaps if we get enough resources as its own topic as a subset group. Otherkin being mentioned is usefull, but feel that more could be added. Being what would be called a "weekend furry" I cant speak on this subject to any great extent but feel that it deserves mention or consideration for extention of the Furry lifestylers segment. While this group may be comparitively small i find the subject facinating. Ideas/coments? Sono hito ( talk) 15:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Why does 'where is your god now' redirect to furry fandom? As far as I can see it's entirely a 4chan joke, but maybe I'm wrong. Did the phrase stem from furries to begin with, and if so, is that sufficient reason for it to redirect here? I suggest that it either redirect to the article on 4chan or be deleted. LastSasquatch ( talk) 07:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if a further elaboration of the socio- and psychological background of the furry fandom is in order. I think it would be useful to try and point out these prosopographic traits - for instance, we know from the survey that unsurprisingly, the majority of people who identify as "furry" are white males, American and middle class. But are they religious, or have they a troubled religious history (repressed sexuality)? Are furries more likely to have interests such as anime, lolicon, certain types of popular music, fascination with the Orient, gaming, or other hobbies regarded as 'nerdy' by mainstream culture? Are there differences between European - I myself am familiar with the vibrant (heh) and 'interesting' ;) Belgian scene and fandom in Luxembourg - and American furries? Were furries more likely than not raised in broken homes? Have there been American studies regarding these topics? I really think these questions need answers (if there are any); we might as well merge these topics with the section "Fandom survey"? 81.164.168.100 ( talk) 21:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
There will be no definite or even close to arguable answer unless someone finds some studies related to the subject - and extensive ones. As far as we know, there are simply none. Other than that, I'm not sure why would you want any data linking the subject to any sort of backgrounds, as it has nothing to do with the subject of interest, and thus the fandom in the first place. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 09:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Well there was this article on New Scientist recently ( http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news8_head_d14146). Evidence is mounting that homosexuality is in fact for a large part based in our brains. This could indicate that "animal sexuality" and furry fandom is not merely a choice, that it's not "an invented, imagined and self-reinforcing community of white Japanophile self-diagnosed shutins and broken people, centered around perverse ideas of sexuality", as some at the "usual suspects" of anti-furry websites would contend. And more importantly, future parents could one day find out beforehand that their child will be predisposed to furry fandom, and evidently make the right supportive, educational and social choices. This could also help reduce the social stigma associated with bestiality in Western contemporary culture (as I'm sure we're all very familiar with). I understand that this is not a definitive study on the subject but it might be interesting nonetheless. Besides, Draco2k, there is already a survey cited in the article detailing various aspects of the sociological backgrounds of furries (class, "race", nationality). Why would other similar traits (the ones I mentioned, like family life, hobbies, religious conflict) be inappropriate? Or less-appropriate? And nationalism, assuming you aren't trolling again - I'm very active in the Belgian scene ... animal shelters and the like.. je weet wel wat ik bedoel ;) 81.164.168.100 ( talk) 10:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I found a rather relevant link on the matter, quite an interesting read, however, it does not fall in the RS category in the slightest, and thus should not be quoted in the article.
http://www.klisoura.com/ot_furrysurvey.php
If anyone knows of this survey from a published or otherwise reliable source, please, be bold and add it. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 14:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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I've archived out the the seemingly offtopic discussion above. If we are to be productive, let's concentrate on improving the article and not the general matters. -- Draco 2k ( talk) 18:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I understand dressing up as mascots, that seems like fun. But I don't understand the internet aspect. Is this related or something different? Why do they have genitals and exposed breasts? I don't think this is appropriate for children. Mascots are supposed to be entertaining and wholesome! -- 68.11.152.41 ( talk) 00:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)