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I contested it because it looks like secondary sources covering this individual are in development and rapidly accruing. What's here is well sourced, it seems. So it's a debatable point if he satisfies WP:BIO or not, enough to require a full AfD discussion in place of a speedy. I'd wait a few weeks to allow the news cycle to grant him more coverage before bringing an AfD, though, so the debate there doesn't have to rely on "wait and see" arguments that would be inevitably brought against those supporting deletion. I believe that was the procedure after the VTech killings. Dragoneer ( talk) 22:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Kslotte, the template clearly says it can be removed "if you...object to deletion for any reason" and that "if this template is removed, it should not be replaced". It does not say the article has to be improved. I agree with Dragoneer's reasons for contesting the deletion, and intend to remove the template. Sanguinalis ( talk) 03:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I think that's much more reasonable. I'm fine with the notability template for the time being. I don't believe we should have an article for everyone killed on the Mavi Marmara. The case for this particular person's notability is that he was the only American citizen killed, and therefore his death has repercussions for US-Israel relations. There have already been multiple news articles specifically about him. Sanguinalis ( talk) 01:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
please talk about deleting references, in the aftermath, who talk about the aftermath of the subject, before deleting them. they tend to go to the question of 1 event. Pohick2 ( talk) 23:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Did he plan to brush his teeth too? Remove this non-relevant line! Chesdovi ( talk) 12:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The information is relevant because it shows his continuing connection to America. Sanguinalis ( talk) 02:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Is wikipedia a documentation of US-Israel relations? Is there a page on Emily Honochowicz? What about the rift with Turkey (another ally of Israel?) Chesdovi ( talk) 10:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
The Hillary Clinton quote is very important and relevant and should not have been removed. Chesdovi removed it, with the comment "rm quote taken from NR blog". Although self-published blogs are not allowed as reliable sources, Wikipedia:RS does not prohibit all use of blogs as sources. The policy actually says:
This source, which is an online column by ABC News White House correspondent Jake Tapper, clearly is in the same class. There are other available sources for the quote, and I plan to add them, but the original source should have been enough all along. Chesdovi, please look at the sources more carefully next time before deleting referenced material. Sanguinalis ( talk) 02:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Does hold Turkish citizenship? I think he does not hold, and I previusly added some references for this to Gaza Flotilla raid page. Any other ideas? Kavas ( talk) 01:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
A discussion on this is taking place at the Gaza flotilla raid article's Talk page. RomaC TALK 04:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/a-letter-from-furkan/
I do not read turkish; but it would be worthy to find the primary source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.57.150.128 ( talk) 15:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
He was no American. Just a useful idiot of Islamic radicals... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.7.182 ( talk) 05:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Thats true! If he supports to the jewish state,
we accept "he was a american" because Americans are slaves of the Jews. arent they?
Zionisthead! change your mind! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.196.90.30 ( talk) 06:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Doghan hadn't been in the United States since he was 2 years old. What evidence is there that he "planned on" travel to the USA? Did he buy plane tickets? Make arrangements to stay somewhere? Where was he going to visit specifically? The only reason the NY Times put this into the story is to attempt to demonize Israel. The NY Times made absolutely no mention of the Turkish man's desire to die as a "martyr" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.235.67.230 ( talk) 03:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Can you please stop removing referenced sentences from the text, calling it POV? WSJ writes this: "Born in New York, Furkan Dogan, 19, Won Lottery to Go on Mission; Becoming a Political Symbol". Wikipedia is here to present what reliable sources say. Kavas ( talk) 12:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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The only reason the New York Times and Press TV label Dogan "American" is to spin the story and make it appear as if a young adult left from the USA to join the Hamas flotilla. This enables them to make the claim "Israel killed an American". It is true he hadn't been in the United States since the early 1990's and had not made plans to visit that were verified (plane ticket, passport renewal, etc) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.254.34.8 ( talk) 08:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
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I contested it because it looks like secondary sources covering this individual are in development and rapidly accruing. What's here is well sourced, it seems. So it's a debatable point if he satisfies WP:BIO or not, enough to require a full AfD discussion in place of a speedy. I'd wait a few weeks to allow the news cycle to grant him more coverage before bringing an AfD, though, so the debate there doesn't have to rely on "wait and see" arguments that would be inevitably brought against those supporting deletion. I believe that was the procedure after the VTech killings. Dragoneer ( talk) 22:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Kslotte, the template clearly says it can be removed "if you...object to deletion for any reason" and that "if this template is removed, it should not be replaced". It does not say the article has to be improved. I agree with Dragoneer's reasons for contesting the deletion, and intend to remove the template. Sanguinalis ( talk) 03:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I think that's much more reasonable. I'm fine with the notability template for the time being. I don't believe we should have an article for everyone killed on the Mavi Marmara. The case for this particular person's notability is that he was the only American citizen killed, and therefore his death has repercussions for US-Israel relations. There have already been multiple news articles specifically about him. Sanguinalis ( talk) 01:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
please talk about deleting references, in the aftermath, who talk about the aftermath of the subject, before deleting them. they tend to go to the question of 1 event. Pohick2 ( talk) 23:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Did he plan to brush his teeth too? Remove this non-relevant line! Chesdovi ( talk) 12:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The information is relevant because it shows his continuing connection to America. Sanguinalis ( talk) 02:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Is wikipedia a documentation of US-Israel relations? Is there a page on Emily Honochowicz? What about the rift with Turkey (another ally of Israel?) Chesdovi ( talk) 10:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
The Hillary Clinton quote is very important and relevant and should not have been removed. Chesdovi removed it, with the comment "rm quote taken from NR blog". Although self-published blogs are not allowed as reliable sources, Wikipedia:RS does not prohibit all use of blogs as sources. The policy actually says:
This source, which is an online column by ABC News White House correspondent Jake Tapper, clearly is in the same class. There are other available sources for the quote, and I plan to add them, but the original source should have been enough all along. Chesdovi, please look at the sources more carefully next time before deleting referenced material. Sanguinalis ( talk) 02:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Does hold Turkish citizenship? I think he does not hold, and I previusly added some references for this to Gaza Flotilla raid page. Any other ideas? Kavas ( talk) 01:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
A discussion on this is taking place at the Gaza flotilla raid article's Talk page. RomaC TALK 04:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/a-letter-from-furkan/
I do not read turkish; but it would be worthy to find the primary source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.57.150.128 ( talk) 15:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
He was no American. Just a useful idiot of Islamic radicals... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.7.182 ( talk) 05:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Thats true! If he supports to the jewish state,
we accept "he was a american" because Americans are slaves of the Jews. arent they?
Zionisthead! change your mind! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.196.90.30 ( talk) 06:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Doghan hadn't been in the United States since he was 2 years old. What evidence is there that he "planned on" travel to the USA? Did he buy plane tickets? Make arrangements to stay somewhere? Where was he going to visit specifically? The only reason the NY Times put this into the story is to attempt to demonize Israel. The NY Times made absolutely no mention of the Turkish man's desire to die as a "martyr" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.235.67.230 ( talk) 03:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Can you please stop removing referenced sentences from the text, calling it POV? WSJ writes this: "Born in New York, Furkan Dogan, 19, Won Lottery to Go on Mission; Becoming a Political Symbol". Wikipedia is here to present what reliable sources say. Kavas ( talk) 12:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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The only reason the New York Times and Press TV label Dogan "American" is to spin the story and make it appear as if a young adult left from the USA to join the Hamas flotilla. This enables them to make the claim "Israel killed an American". It is true he hadn't been in the United States since the early 1990's and had not made plans to visit that were verified (plane ticket, passport renewal, etc) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.254.34.8 ( talk) 08:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
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