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As I explained to AshMusique at their talk page, the user who changed "rap" to "hip hop" did not do so with the rationale that "rap" is not a genre, and I was merely undoing a long line of edits by what is clearly a genre-warring-only account, but AshMusique seems to have used their edit as an excuse to misrepresent as leverage to remove "rap" from the infobox, based on their own point of view and nothing more. This remains AshMusique's point of view, unfounded in reliable sources, cited at either this article or Hip hop music itself. WP:ONUS does not apply here; AshMusique's original dispute was removing the genre altogether because they believe it is a "style" of music and not a "genre", the distinction of which is reflected where??. They ignored my past advisement to start a discussion, so I will do it for them because sometimes we must simply carry out the burden ourselves...
According to what is cited (to reliable sources) at Hip hop music, along with other scholarly sources I presented to them in a past edit summary, "hip hop" is also known as "rap" (as is stated in the opening sentence of that article), and "rap" is a genre. WP:STICKTOSOURCE continues to support my revision as well; the source cited says Funeral is a rap album. The onus remains on AshMusique to disprove or invalidate my line of reasoning, supporting sources, guidelines, etc. isento ( talk) 14:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Here are several reputable books that say "Rap music is a genre". And here are a few more. isento ( talk) 14:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I disagree that the genre listing of 'rap' for a few reasons. Firstly, as stated above, rap is a style in which the music is conveyed. Yes over time the words have been used interchangeably with hip hop to mean the same thing. However, the problem is there is only one source listed for the genre. I could if I wanted to find a dozen reputable sources that correctly list the genre for this album. It seems rather pedantic to argue over it so I do not have an issue as to whether it's rap or hip hop listed. However, it does not seem in line with other album pages to have this listed as 'rap' I think going forward to either legitimise this edit, more sources further confirming the importance of 'rap' should be sourced. Otherwise listing the genre of an album as the style of words conveyed is wrong. Like 'drums' or 'singing' is not a genre for example. That's just my thoughts though, I'm not correct. Callan992 ( talk) 22:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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As I explained to AshMusique at their talk page, the user who changed "rap" to "hip hop" did not do so with the rationale that "rap" is not a genre, and I was merely undoing a long line of edits by what is clearly a genre-warring-only account, but AshMusique seems to have used their edit as an excuse to misrepresent as leverage to remove "rap" from the infobox, based on their own point of view and nothing more. This remains AshMusique's point of view, unfounded in reliable sources, cited at either this article or Hip hop music itself. WP:ONUS does not apply here; AshMusique's original dispute was removing the genre altogether because they believe it is a "style" of music and not a "genre", the distinction of which is reflected where??. They ignored my past advisement to start a discussion, so I will do it for them because sometimes we must simply carry out the burden ourselves...
According to what is cited (to reliable sources) at Hip hop music, along with other scholarly sources I presented to them in a past edit summary, "hip hop" is also known as "rap" (as is stated in the opening sentence of that article), and "rap" is a genre. WP:STICKTOSOURCE continues to support my revision as well; the source cited says Funeral is a rap album. The onus remains on AshMusique to disprove or invalidate my line of reasoning, supporting sources, guidelines, etc. isento ( talk) 14:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Here are several reputable books that say "Rap music is a genre". And here are a few more. isento ( talk) 14:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I disagree that the genre listing of 'rap' for a few reasons. Firstly, as stated above, rap is a style in which the music is conveyed. Yes over time the words have been used interchangeably with hip hop to mean the same thing. However, the problem is there is only one source listed for the genre. I could if I wanted to find a dozen reputable sources that correctly list the genre for this album. It seems rather pedantic to argue over it so I do not have an issue as to whether it's rap or hip hop listed. However, it does not seem in line with other album pages to have this listed as 'rap' I think going forward to either legitimise this edit, more sources further confirming the importance of 'rap' should be sourced. Otherwise listing the genre of an album as the style of words conveyed is wrong. Like 'drums' or 'singing' is not a genre for example. That's just my thoughts though, I'm not correct. Callan992 ( talk) 22:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)