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(brought here from a Teahouse post)
This seems a mess regarding sources. Also, the article is a bit contradictory.
Palestinian?
The subject is described as "Palestinian" in the lead and later on "he was from Palestine" is written with
this PhD thesis as source. Already the two are a bit different (ethnicity vs. place of birth) but my main problem with that is that the source is shaky. The relevant passage (p.45) reads Fuad Hamzah was a Palestinian refugee who accompanied the King in 1928
. It itself cites no source that could apply to the "Palestinian refugee" part of the sentence.
Also, OR, but I would note that the refugee part is hard to believe. There were essentially no refugees out of Palestine between 1920 (establishment of the British mandate) and 1936 (the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine). He could hardly be a refugee post-1936 either, since from another source he had a house in Beyrut and was already a top diplomat in April 1937. Most likely, if they were a refugee, it was at some point between 1916 and 1919, when they were between 17 and 20. This would have severely interfered with their ability to get a degree at the Jerusalem law school.
Born in Abey (Lebanon)?
The place of birth is sourced to
ref #2 which I cannot access and
ref #3 which I can. The footnote at the bottom of page 351 in ref #3 supports a birth in Lebanon in 1899 but not the exact place of birth. It also says see his biography in al-Zereky, al-a‘lām [Biographical Dictionary], vol.5, p.159.
(I am not sure what that initial source is and could not read it, maybe someone else can track it down?). There are a few recent sources that give that place of birth (
example from the teahouse post) but those are probably
WP:CITOGENESIS.
What next? I would certainly remove all mentions of Palestinian/comes from Palestine unless a better source is found. For the birth in Abey, if someone could verify ref #2 and give the exact quote that would be great, or even better track the biographic volume cited by ref #3, else I intend to tag it with some variant of "citation needed". Any objections?
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(brought here from a Teahouse post)
This seems a mess regarding sources. Also, the article is a bit contradictory.
Palestinian?
The subject is described as "Palestinian" in the lead and later on "he was from Palestine" is written with
this PhD thesis as source. Already the two are a bit different (ethnicity vs. place of birth) but my main problem with that is that the source is shaky. The relevant passage (p.45) reads Fuad Hamzah was a Palestinian refugee who accompanied the King in 1928
. It itself cites no source that could apply to the "Palestinian refugee" part of the sentence.
Also, OR, but I would note that the refugee part is hard to believe. There were essentially no refugees out of Palestine between 1920 (establishment of the British mandate) and 1936 (the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine). He could hardly be a refugee post-1936 either, since from another source he had a house in Beyrut and was already a top diplomat in April 1937. Most likely, if they were a refugee, it was at some point between 1916 and 1919, when they were between 17 and 20. This would have severely interfered with their ability to get a degree at the Jerusalem law school.
Born in Abey (Lebanon)?
The place of birth is sourced to
ref #2 which I cannot access and
ref #3 which I can. The footnote at the bottom of page 351 in ref #3 supports a birth in Lebanon in 1899 but not the exact place of birth. It also says see his biography in al-Zereky, al-a‘lām [Biographical Dictionary], vol.5, p.159.
(I am not sure what that initial source is and could not read it, maybe someone else can track it down?). There are a few recent sources that give that place of birth (
example from the teahouse post) but those are probably
WP:CITOGENESIS.
What next? I would certainly remove all mentions of Palestinian/comes from Palestine unless a better source is found. For the birth in Abey, if someone could verify ref #2 and give the exact quote that would be great, or even better track the biographic volume cited by ref #3, else I intend to tag it with some variant of "citation needed". Any objections?