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This article says that marmalade can be made with strawberries, but I wonder about that. I have always taken marmalade to be made with either citrus fruit or ginger, whereas if a fruit preserve is made with strawberries, I have taken it to be referred to as "jam". ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 00:28, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The way I was taught, to make jelly you put the cooked ingredients into a fine cloth bag and let it drip. The liquid which drips through will set as Jelly- the remaining contents of the bag can be used for Jam. Saxophobia ( talk) 17:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The article somewhat confusingly reads "In the United States, both jam and jelly are sometimes popularly referred to as "jelly", whereas in the United Kingdom, Canada, India and Australia, the two terms are more strictly differentiated. In Australia and South Africa, the term "jam" is more popularly used as a generic term for both jam and jelly.[14]
To further confuse the issue, the term "jelly" is also used in the UK, South Africa, Australia, India and New Zealand to refer to a gelatin dessert, known in North America as jello, derived from the brand name Jell-O."
Let's be clear on this. The term jam is rarely if ever used in Australia to mean the wobbly dessert dish (i.e. what Americans call Jello). Jam in an Australian context means the fruit preserve (i.e. something you would put on bread/toast. The first sentence which is correct seems to be contradicted by the second sentence which is wrong. Australians call the wobbly dessert thing jelly (for instance see Aeroplane jelly. If you want some evidence see:
I am going to delete the reference to Australians using jam in both contexts. Tigerman2005 ( talk) 04:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
"In North America, the plural form 'preserves' is used to describe all types of jams and jellies."
This isn't quite accurate. Jelly is clear and made with the juice; jam is made from pureed fruit; preserves contain visible pieces of fruit. "Conserves" are mixed fruit, often with the addition of raisins and nuts. No one would call grape jelly "preserves." Strawberry jelly would be a clear, bright red. Jam would be smooth; preserves would have chunks of berries. In home recipes, the methods to cook jelly, jam, or preserves are quite distinct. -- Janko ( talk) 13:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm very surprised to find no reference whatever in the article to the history of making jam, marmalade, fruit preserves etc. I hope someone who knows about this will add a section on it. PhilG ( talk) 19:45, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be some strange idea amongst the US editors that they know how the rest of the world uses the English language. There was a statement saying that Jelly was only used to mean fruit preserves in the US, and that in the UK Jelly is only a desert. I corrected this - Jelly is used in the UK for some clear preserves in the same way as in the US and from a quick google search it's the same in Australia. I used the BBC website as an reference - it's our national broadcaster they are an example of how English is used in the UK, don't just revert it saying it's not a reliable source - ask for a better citation. I know Jelly is used in the UK to talk about fruit preserves and provided a (possibly weak) reference. If you disagree try providing counter evidence saying we don't use it. In the UK we use jam and jelly to mean the same things as in the US. We also use jelly to mean a clear desert popular in the 1970s and 1980s and now rarely eaten except by children or by students when made up with Vodka. Human28 ( talk) 23:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure fruit preserves are called "varenye" in all of Eastern Europe? A lot of different languages are spoken in Eastern Europe, including Hungarian. 193.86.153.87 ( talk) 09:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
purejam.com is a British site with some basic definitions about jam and preserves
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This article says that marmalade can be made with strawberries, but I wonder about that. I have always taken marmalade to be made with either citrus fruit or ginger, whereas if a fruit preserve is made with strawberries, I have taken it to be referred to as "jam". ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 00:28, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The way I was taught, to make jelly you put the cooked ingredients into a fine cloth bag and let it drip. The liquid which drips through will set as Jelly- the remaining contents of the bag can be used for Jam. Saxophobia ( talk) 17:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The article somewhat confusingly reads "In the United States, both jam and jelly are sometimes popularly referred to as "jelly", whereas in the United Kingdom, Canada, India and Australia, the two terms are more strictly differentiated. In Australia and South Africa, the term "jam" is more popularly used as a generic term for both jam and jelly.[14]
To further confuse the issue, the term "jelly" is also used in the UK, South Africa, Australia, India and New Zealand to refer to a gelatin dessert, known in North America as jello, derived from the brand name Jell-O."
Let's be clear on this. The term jam is rarely if ever used in Australia to mean the wobbly dessert dish (i.e. what Americans call Jello). Jam in an Australian context means the fruit preserve (i.e. something you would put on bread/toast. The first sentence which is correct seems to be contradicted by the second sentence which is wrong. Australians call the wobbly dessert thing jelly (for instance see Aeroplane jelly. If you want some evidence see:
I am going to delete the reference to Australians using jam in both contexts. Tigerman2005 ( talk) 04:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
"In North America, the plural form 'preserves' is used to describe all types of jams and jellies."
This isn't quite accurate. Jelly is clear and made with the juice; jam is made from pureed fruit; preserves contain visible pieces of fruit. "Conserves" are mixed fruit, often with the addition of raisins and nuts. No one would call grape jelly "preserves." Strawberry jelly would be a clear, bright red. Jam would be smooth; preserves would have chunks of berries. In home recipes, the methods to cook jelly, jam, or preserves are quite distinct. -- Janko ( talk) 13:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm very surprised to find no reference whatever in the article to the history of making jam, marmalade, fruit preserves etc. I hope someone who knows about this will add a section on it. PhilG ( talk) 19:45, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be some strange idea amongst the US editors that they know how the rest of the world uses the English language. There was a statement saying that Jelly was only used to mean fruit preserves in the US, and that in the UK Jelly is only a desert. I corrected this - Jelly is used in the UK for some clear preserves in the same way as in the US and from a quick google search it's the same in Australia. I used the BBC website as an reference - it's our national broadcaster they are an example of how English is used in the UK, don't just revert it saying it's not a reliable source - ask for a better citation. I know Jelly is used in the UK to talk about fruit preserves and provided a (possibly weak) reference. If you disagree try providing counter evidence saying we don't use it. In the UK we use jam and jelly to mean the same things as in the US. We also use jelly to mean a clear desert popular in the 1970s and 1980s and now rarely eaten except by children or by students when made up with Vodka. Human28 ( talk) 23:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure fruit preserves are called "varenye" in all of Eastern Europe? A lot of different languages are spoken in Eastern Europe, including Hungarian. 193.86.153.87 ( talk) 09:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
purejam.com is a British site with some basic definitions about jam and preserves