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@ Blue Square Thing: I have seen your recent edits to the page. I hope the following does not come across as overly critical, it is naturally dejecting to see the product of several hours of research, a site visit, and a visit to Suffolk Archives largely removed - especially given that I was planning on going back to Suffolk Archives to view newspaper articles on the 1951 dig, and have a request from a senior lecturer at the local university to meet to discuss the site.
That said, I wondered if you could think on the following questions:
Best wishes ~ El D. ( talk to me) 22:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Scandinavian seaborne marauders, traders and settlers, who spread throughout much of Europe and the North Atlantic region in the 9th to 11th centuriesand by Collin's English Dictionary as
people who sailed from Scandinavia and attacked villages in most parts of north-western Europe from the 8th to the 11th centuries.The use of the term here, as I said, is based on Raffield's wording. It is also understandable to the general public. Please could you explain to me why its use here is worrying you.
(it may be noted that Saltworks on the Coast were almost sure indications of [the] Fishing trade [-] the salt being used for curing the fish).
As the discussion above naturally focusses mainly on the mound, which I have taken to calling 'Frostenden Mound', it may be hard to disentangle the marginally related point of the port - herring - salt house connection. As such I have provided bellow the relevant sources from which I hope future editors will find it easier to make a decision on whether this connection is a reasonable inference.
A dock or quay at Frostenden would have been convenient for fishing craft.Pg 9.
Thus there was an umbilical relationship between catching herring and producing salt. ... Whence came the salt? Here one must notice the remarkable concentration of salinae, salt-works, in extreme south-east Norfolk.
the inhabitants of the inland settlement of Frostenden in Suffolk used boats to each the sea to fish along the coast. The total renders for East Anglia in 1086 ... 3,000,000 fish. Such catches would need to be salted; 'on the lowest assumptions, well over five tons of salt would have been needed to conserve the herring catch'.
Moreover, Campbell suggests more than five tons of salt would have been needed to conserve the herring catch (Campbell 2002; Morely & Cooper 1922, 4). Campbell also provides plausible evidence that the inhabitants of the inland, riverine settlement of Frostenden in Suffolk used boats to reach the sea to fish along the coast.(repeated on pg. 27)
The 24 Yarmouth fishermen²; the curious "seaport" at Frostenden; the numerous herring-rents in the coastal hundreds-these things remind us continually that we are in a maritime county. ... One valuable product of the sea in both counties was salt (Fig. 8). [fig 8 shows saltpan distribution]- I agree this source does not substantiate a link between the sea port and saltpan.
(it may be noted that Saltworks on the Coast were almost sure indications of [the] Fishing trade [-] the salt being used for curing the fish).
Original article wording: This also explains the presence of a salt house, as listed in the Domesday Book as an asset of the parish, as large amounts of salt would be needed to preserve the herrings they caught.
I would agree that the level of certainty expressed here is potentially an issue.
Best wishes, ~ El D. ( talk to me) 16:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of an educational assignment in Spring 2017. Further details were available on the "Education Program:University of Portsmouth/Applied Human Geography (Spring 2017)" page, which is now unavailable on the wiki. |
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@ Blue Square Thing: I have seen your recent edits to the page. I hope the following does not come across as overly critical, it is naturally dejecting to see the product of several hours of research, a site visit, and a visit to Suffolk Archives largely removed - especially given that I was planning on going back to Suffolk Archives to view newspaper articles on the 1951 dig, and have a request from a senior lecturer at the local university to meet to discuss the site.
That said, I wondered if you could think on the following questions:
Best wishes ~ El D. ( talk to me) 22:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Scandinavian seaborne marauders, traders and settlers, who spread throughout much of Europe and the North Atlantic region in the 9th to 11th centuriesand by Collin's English Dictionary as
people who sailed from Scandinavia and attacked villages in most parts of north-western Europe from the 8th to the 11th centuries.The use of the term here, as I said, is based on Raffield's wording. It is also understandable to the general public. Please could you explain to me why its use here is worrying you.
(it may be noted that Saltworks on the Coast were almost sure indications of [the] Fishing trade [-] the salt being used for curing the fish).
As the discussion above naturally focusses mainly on the mound, which I have taken to calling 'Frostenden Mound', it may be hard to disentangle the marginally related point of the port - herring - salt house connection. As such I have provided bellow the relevant sources from which I hope future editors will find it easier to make a decision on whether this connection is a reasonable inference.
A dock or quay at Frostenden would have been convenient for fishing craft.Pg 9.
Thus there was an umbilical relationship between catching herring and producing salt. ... Whence came the salt? Here one must notice the remarkable concentration of salinae, salt-works, in extreme south-east Norfolk.
the inhabitants of the inland settlement of Frostenden in Suffolk used boats to each the sea to fish along the coast. The total renders for East Anglia in 1086 ... 3,000,000 fish. Such catches would need to be salted; 'on the lowest assumptions, well over five tons of salt would have been needed to conserve the herring catch'.
Moreover, Campbell suggests more than five tons of salt would have been needed to conserve the herring catch (Campbell 2002; Morely & Cooper 1922, 4). Campbell also provides plausible evidence that the inhabitants of the inland, riverine settlement of Frostenden in Suffolk used boats to reach the sea to fish along the coast.(repeated on pg. 27)
The 24 Yarmouth fishermen²; the curious "seaport" at Frostenden; the numerous herring-rents in the coastal hundreds-these things remind us continually that we are in a maritime county. ... One valuable product of the sea in both counties was salt (Fig. 8). [fig 8 shows saltpan distribution]- I agree this source does not substantiate a link between the sea port and saltpan.
(it may be noted that Saltworks on the Coast were almost sure indications of [the] Fishing trade [-] the salt being used for curing the fish).
Original article wording: This also explains the presence of a salt house, as listed in the Domesday Book as an asset of the parish, as large amounts of salt would be needed to preserve the herrings they caught.
I would agree that the level of certainty expressed here is potentially an issue.
Best wishes, ~ El D. ( talk to me) 16:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)