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"The main opposition of the FPV from inside the PJ are the supporters of former presidents Eduardo Duhalde and Carlos Menem, many of whom have migrated to Kirchner's faction."
I'm totally confused as to what this sentence is supposed to mean. Aren't "the FPV" and "Kirchner's faction" the same thing? So who migrated, Duhalde and Menem? I doubt it. Unless someone clarifies this, I might delete "many of whom have migrated to Kirchner's faction", since it seems safe to assume that the people who still support those guys are the main opponents of the FPV. -- Brian Z 02:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
FPV is not only a peronist party but it is also a social democratic and a left-wing party, please correct the box.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.182.130 ( talk • contribs)
Who's the leader of the party? there's no info about it in the official site.-- Camilorojas ( talk) 13:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
There are two references that prove FPV is a center-left / left-wing party. READ THEM and the SPANISH VERSION!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.150.48 ( talk) 20:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
another version of an article proves nothing, since you can edit that also.-- camr Yes, Master... 00:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Peronism isn't an ideology, FPV and PJ are situated in the social democracy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.9.204.129 ( talk) 08:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The party itself has an electoral interest in showing itself as leftist. bear in mind that they never say "social democratic" (nor any other "technical" definition), but "left-wing", trying to appeal to the lower classes. regarding the socialist international, that was 2 years ago, and since then, not only the matter hasn't been metioned again, but the pj is still affiliated with the centrist democrat international and the organizacion democrata cristiana de america (which, btw, don't sound that bad until you see who else is part of those organizations). that said, i propose a compromise, if the above just doesn't suit you. i say we leave the infobox with nothing in it (also "peronism" and the socialism template), and we write a section about the ideology dispute, since it's also a matter of discussion here in argentina. oh and thanks for waiting for me to answer.-- camr nag 19:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I wish to make clear that i never said i agree with those news articles I quoted, rather I hoped they would show how people with different political views rebate the idea of kirchnerism as truly left-wing. I also disagree with ianvs in understandig the fpv as the center-left of argentine politics, mainly because the peronism/antiperonism cleavage since the 1940's makes the left/right one much less reliable (or maybe complete or thorough).-- camr nag 21:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
i missed the "peronist" part... i just read left-wing... i think it could be considered a left-wing faction of peronism.-- camr nag 15:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Even here in Argentina there is no consensus about this issue. The Front for Victory has been labeled as fascist party by the Frente de Izquierda (a Trostkyist front) and communist by some right-wing people, like former dictator Rafael Videla, and the Communist Party of Argentina supports Cristina, as well. In addition to this, it's hard to tell that peronism is an ideology, since there are many self-proclaimed "peronists" who in fact have little in common, ranging from socialdemocrats to liberal-conservatives. 190.18.21.244 ( talk) 17:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with the fact of having added the word "conservatism" to its ideology. Kirchnerism never defined itself that way, the reference is based on an opinion article which reflects the views only of the author. I propose, therefore, removing the concept. -- Banfield - Threats here 10:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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Political spectrum of the Front for victory is center-left, [1] [2] [3]not left wing.
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"The main opposition of the FPV from inside the PJ are the supporters of former presidents Eduardo Duhalde and Carlos Menem, many of whom have migrated to Kirchner's faction."
I'm totally confused as to what this sentence is supposed to mean. Aren't "the FPV" and "Kirchner's faction" the same thing? So who migrated, Duhalde and Menem? I doubt it. Unless someone clarifies this, I might delete "many of whom have migrated to Kirchner's faction", since it seems safe to assume that the people who still support those guys are the main opponents of the FPV. -- Brian Z 02:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
FPV is not only a peronist party but it is also a social democratic and a left-wing party, please correct the box.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.182.130 ( talk • contribs)
Who's the leader of the party? there's no info about it in the official site.-- Camilorojas ( talk) 13:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
There are two references that prove FPV is a center-left / left-wing party. READ THEM and the SPANISH VERSION!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.150.48 ( talk) 20:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
another version of an article proves nothing, since you can edit that also.-- camr Yes, Master... 00:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Peronism isn't an ideology, FPV and PJ are situated in the social democracy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.9.204.129 ( talk) 08:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The party itself has an electoral interest in showing itself as leftist. bear in mind that they never say "social democratic" (nor any other "technical" definition), but "left-wing", trying to appeal to the lower classes. regarding the socialist international, that was 2 years ago, and since then, not only the matter hasn't been metioned again, but the pj is still affiliated with the centrist democrat international and the organizacion democrata cristiana de america (which, btw, don't sound that bad until you see who else is part of those organizations). that said, i propose a compromise, if the above just doesn't suit you. i say we leave the infobox with nothing in it (also "peronism" and the socialism template), and we write a section about the ideology dispute, since it's also a matter of discussion here in argentina. oh and thanks for waiting for me to answer.-- camr nag 19:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I wish to make clear that i never said i agree with those news articles I quoted, rather I hoped they would show how people with different political views rebate the idea of kirchnerism as truly left-wing. I also disagree with ianvs in understandig the fpv as the center-left of argentine politics, mainly because the peronism/antiperonism cleavage since the 1940's makes the left/right one much less reliable (or maybe complete or thorough).-- camr nag 21:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
i missed the "peronist" part... i just read left-wing... i think it could be considered a left-wing faction of peronism.-- camr nag 15:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Even here in Argentina there is no consensus about this issue. The Front for Victory has been labeled as fascist party by the Frente de Izquierda (a Trostkyist front) and communist by some right-wing people, like former dictator Rafael Videla, and the Communist Party of Argentina supports Cristina, as well. In addition to this, it's hard to tell that peronism is an ideology, since there are many self-proclaimed "peronists" who in fact have little in common, ranging from socialdemocrats to liberal-conservatives. 190.18.21.244 ( talk) 17:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with the fact of having added the word "conservatism" to its ideology. Kirchnerism never defined itself that way, the reference is based on an opinion article which reflects the views only of the author. I propose, therefore, removing the concept. -- Banfield - Threats here 10:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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