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Removed Category:Military history of Germany during World War II as it is a parent of Category:German World War II people. Joshbaumgartner 21:52, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)
Congratulations on a very well constructed and readable wikipage. I would like to propose 1 (one) small change to the above section. At present, it says 'after the war, he spent 2 1/2 years in prison'. I would like to change this to: 'he was released from officers' prisoner of war camp 2 1/2 years after the end of hostilities' In the original text, the wording suggests that he had been convicted of some kind of war crime. As we know, this was not the case. It might also be worth mentioning that he lectured at both West Point and Sandhurst and had several meetings with General Eisenhower. Miletus ( talk) 15:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Mellenthin had several rare opportunities to observe great generals in action but his "Panzer Battles" suffers for the lack of command experience. Just being on staff as he was his entire career is much different than having the responsibility of command. As anyone who has led men in combat or controlled a large business can attest the gap that exists between the two roles is huge. Mellenthin doesn't have that fine appreciation of the difference.
Hesweeney ( talk) 06:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I have read von Mellenthin's book on being a panzer general. A friend lent it to me and I don't have it in front of me at the moment. I believe the remark "not until we were behind barbed wire did we learn..." comes straight from the book. How confident are we about this? This is a wise thing for a WWII German general to write during the fifties. According to Wolfram Wette [1], German generals knew what was going on in Poland, and behind the lines on the Russian front. According to Wikipedia, WWI field marshal August von Mackensen wrote Field Marshal Walther von Brauchitsch to complain about "crimes committed in Poland", and he was no where near the place.
References
JHowardGibson ( talk) 18:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Teddy1289: Instead of engaging in WP:edit warring, please review WP:BRD and outline your objections here on the Talk page. K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I was pinged by @ Teddy1289: on my talk page to express my opinion on this topic. I have to admit that I have not read Mellenthin's work nor have I read Citino's book, so I am not in a position to discuss on the content of the dispute. Nevertheless, I do think that @ K.e.coffman: has taken the right approach here. Why do I say this? It is not up to us Wikipedia editors to pass judgement on the quality or reliability of a source. However, if another author, in this case Citino, expressed concerns about the content and view of a particular source, here Mellenthin, it is best practice to state this in the article. Now, if you think that Citino incorrectly criticizes Mellenthin's work, you need to find another source to counterbalance Citino. Makes sense? Cheers MisterBee1966 ( talk) 10:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Offered here:
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The language in the recent changes does not align with the sources. Besides, changing the following:
Mellenthin's works were part of the exculpatory memoirs genre that fed the post-war revisionist narrative, put forth by former Wehrmacht generals. Panzer Battles was instrumental in forming the misconceptions that influenced the U.S. view of Eastern Front military operations up to 1995, when Soviet archival sources became available to Western and Russian historians.
into:
Mellenthin's works were part of a post-war narrative by former Wehrmacht generals that influenced Western perceptions of the Eastern Front until 1995, when Soviet archival sources became available.
is not a "style issue". I'm happy to discuss further. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 14:14, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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Removed Category:Military history of Germany during World War II as it is a parent of Category:German World War II people. Joshbaumgartner 21:52, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)
Congratulations on a very well constructed and readable wikipage. I would like to propose 1 (one) small change to the above section. At present, it says 'after the war, he spent 2 1/2 years in prison'. I would like to change this to: 'he was released from officers' prisoner of war camp 2 1/2 years after the end of hostilities' In the original text, the wording suggests that he had been convicted of some kind of war crime. As we know, this was not the case. It might also be worth mentioning that he lectured at both West Point and Sandhurst and had several meetings with General Eisenhower. Miletus ( talk) 15:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Mellenthin had several rare opportunities to observe great generals in action but his "Panzer Battles" suffers for the lack of command experience. Just being on staff as he was his entire career is much different than having the responsibility of command. As anyone who has led men in combat or controlled a large business can attest the gap that exists between the two roles is huge. Mellenthin doesn't have that fine appreciation of the difference.
Hesweeney ( talk) 06:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I have read von Mellenthin's book on being a panzer general. A friend lent it to me and I don't have it in front of me at the moment. I believe the remark "not until we were behind barbed wire did we learn..." comes straight from the book. How confident are we about this? This is a wise thing for a WWII German general to write during the fifties. According to Wolfram Wette [1], German generals knew what was going on in Poland, and behind the lines on the Russian front. According to Wikipedia, WWI field marshal August von Mackensen wrote Field Marshal Walther von Brauchitsch to complain about "crimes committed in Poland", and he was no where near the place.
References
JHowardGibson ( talk) 18:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Teddy1289: Instead of engaging in WP:edit warring, please review WP:BRD and outline your objections here on the Talk page. K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I was pinged by @ Teddy1289: on my talk page to express my opinion on this topic. I have to admit that I have not read Mellenthin's work nor have I read Citino's book, so I am not in a position to discuss on the content of the dispute. Nevertheless, I do think that @ K.e.coffman: has taken the right approach here. Why do I say this? It is not up to us Wikipedia editors to pass judgement on the quality or reliability of a source. However, if another author, in this case Citino, expressed concerns about the content and view of a particular source, here Mellenthin, it is best practice to state this in the article. Now, if you think that Citino incorrectly criticizes Mellenthin's work, you need to find another source to counterbalance Citino. Makes sense? Cheers MisterBee1966 ( talk) 10:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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The language in the recent changes does not align with the sources. Besides, changing the following:
Mellenthin's works were part of the exculpatory memoirs genre that fed the post-war revisionist narrative, put forth by former Wehrmacht generals. Panzer Battles was instrumental in forming the misconceptions that influenced the U.S. view of Eastern Front military operations up to 1995, when Soviet archival sources became available to Western and Russian historians.
into:
Mellenthin's works were part of a post-war narrative by former Wehrmacht generals that influenced Western perceptions of the Eastern Front until 1995, when Soviet archival sources became available.
is not a "style issue". I'm happy to discuss further. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 14:14, 4 May 2019 (UTC)