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The motto "Fundamentum Christus" was changed when Latin professor Marshall Johnston pointed out that while "fundamentum" does mean "foundation," it is also a slang term for what we might call a tush or a rear end. The previous university seal employed what might best be described as "bad Latin". This situation has recently been corrected by the change of University graphics and logos. CaliforniaKid 08:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
My apologies to CaliforniaKid and Marshall, but the Latin translation of the motto was on the way out before Dr. J arrived. The debate--rather, the mindnumbing horror show--was in full swing when I got here 10 years ago. The classic Latin purists were droning on about the "bad" Latin while the Vulgate Latin fans defended their form as the source of the motto since it was a favorite of Menno Simons, from whose name the Mennonite founders of FPU spring, who wrote in Vulgate.
The straw that broke the camel's came when the admissions people pointed out that many prospective students thought "Fundamentum" meant "Fundamentalist." It took awhile for such practical reasoning to pierce the academic fog, but finally it did. FPU Editor
I find it odd that one or more persons seem to be very concerned that the article specifies that FPU "has not sought accreditation for its business, music, social work, or teacher education programs." I don't see how it is important to specify this. With some quick research, I found that professional accrediting is often not tremendously important if the university as a whole is accredited: http://www.degree.net/guides/gaap_listings.html
FPU's teacher education program is currently more highly regarded than Fresno State's in many circles at this point in time, so I don't see how accreditation for the program is significant right now.
Whatever the case may be, it seems an inconsequential point to belabor when the article as a whole has barely been fleshed out. I'll leave the comment as it currently stands, though. -- Sxeptomaniac 22:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It is now sourced. It is important because the failure of the institution to seek obtain program accreditation in any field is at variance with the statement that it "exists to prepare students ... through excellence in ... higher education."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.171.224.83 ( talk) 16:31, March 8, 2007
I find it odd that one person is seemingly unconcerned that it "has [apparently] not sought accreditation for its [art], [counseling], business, music, social work, or teacher education programs, even though it "exists to prepare students... through excellence in... higher education." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.137.235 ( talk) 04:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I am not sure what you are asking me. Are you denying that its art, counseling, business, music, social work, and teacher education programs all lack national program accreditation? Does saying that it "develops students... through excellence in... higher education" reflect a NPOV? And, do you really think it is proper to insult someone who disagrees with you by flinging words such as "ignorance" and "fallacious" at them?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.171.224.83 ( talk) 15:13, November 3, 2009
No, I am "taking sources" that list the nationally recognized program accreditors for art, business, counseling, music, social work, and teacher education "to say" that Fresno Pacific's art, business, music, social work, and teacher education programs lack national program accreditation. It is true that I cannot be certain why it does not have program accreditation in any fields. Does saying that it "develops students... through excellence in... higher education" reflect a NPOV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.137.235 ( talk) 06:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
It is not important that other schools have undergraduate majors which Fresno Pacific lacks. What is important is that other schools have various accredited undergraduate majors while Fresno Pacific (despite its claims of "excellence") has none. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.170.175 ( talk) 20:36, August 12, 2010
Fresno Pacific should be embarrassed by the fact that (despite its claims of "excellence") its art, business, counseling, music, social work, and teacher education programs all lack national program accreditation ( http://www.chea.org/Directories/special.asp and http://www2.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg6.html#NationallyRecognized).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.112.70 ( talk) 18:07, September 6, 2010
2022 Warkentine Culture and Arts Center A building dedicated to arts that includes an auditorium for performances and other events, a black box theater, an art gallery and support facilities including a green room and prop shop. 162.212.34.216 ( talk) 16:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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The motto "Fundamentum Christus" was changed when Latin professor Marshall Johnston pointed out that while "fundamentum" does mean "foundation," it is also a slang term for what we might call a tush or a rear end. The previous university seal employed what might best be described as "bad Latin". This situation has recently been corrected by the change of University graphics and logos. CaliforniaKid 08:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
My apologies to CaliforniaKid and Marshall, but the Latin translation of the motto was on the way out before Dr. J arrived. The debate--rather, the mindnumbing horror show--was in full swing when I got here 10 years ago. The classic Latin purists were droning on about the "bad" Latin while the Vulgate Latin fans defended their form as the source of the motto since it was a favorite of Menno Simons, from whose name the Mennonite founders of FPU spring, who wrote in Vulgate.
The straw that broke the camel's came when the admissions people pointed out that many prospective students thought "Fundamentum" meant "Fundamentalist." It took awhile for such practical reasoning to pierce the academic fog, but finally it did. FPU Editor
I find it odd that one or more persons seem to be very concerned that the article specifies that FPU "has not sought accreditation for its business, music, social work, or teacher education programs." I don't see how it is important to specify this. With some quick research, I found that professional accrediting is often not tremendously important if the university as a whole is accredited: http://www.degree.net/guides/gaap_listings.html
FPU's teacher education program is currently more highly regarded than Fresno State's in many circles at this point in time, so I don't see how accreditation for the program is significant right now.
Whatever the case may be, it seems an inconsequential point to belabor when the article as a whole has barely been fleshed out. I'll leave the comment as it currently stands, though. -- Sxeptomaniac 22:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It is now sourced. It is important because the failure of the institution to seek obtain program accreditation in any field is at variance with the statement that it "exists to prepare students ... through excellence in ... higher education."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.171.224.83 ( talk) 16:31, March 8, 2007
I find it odd that one person is seemingly unconcerned that it "has [apparently] not sought accreditation for its [art], [counseling], business, music, social work, or teacher education programs, even though it "exists to prepare students... through excellence in... higher education." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.137.235 ( talk) 04:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I am not sure what you are asking me. Are you denying that its art, counseling, business, music, social work, and teacher education programs all lack national program accreditation? Does saying that it "develops students... through excellence in... higher education" reflect a NPOV? And, do you really think it is proper to insult someone who disagrees with you by flinging words such as "ignorance" and "fallacious" at them?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.171.224.83 ( talk) 15:13, November 3, 2009
No, I am "taking sources" that list the nationally recognized program accreditors for art, business, counseling, music, social work, and teacher education "to say" that Fresno Pacific's art, business, music, social work, and teacher education programs lack national program accreditation. It is true that I cannot be certain why it does not have program accreditation in any fields. Does saying that it "develops students... through excellence in... higher education" reflect a NPOV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.137.235 ( talk) 06:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
It is not important that other schools have undergraduate majors which Fresno Pacific lacks. What is important is that other schools have various accredited undergraduate majors while Fresno Pacific (despite its claims of "excellence") has none. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.170.175 ( talk) 20:36, August 12, 2010
Fresno Pacific should be embarrassed by the fact that (despite its claims of "excellence") its art, business, counseling, music, social work, and teacher education programs all lack national program accreditation ( http://www.chea.org/Directories/special.asp and http://www2.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg6.html#NationallyRecognized).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.112.70 ( talk) 18:07, September 6, 2010
2022 Warkentine Culture and Arts Center A building dedicated to arts that includes an auditorium for performances and other events, a black box theater, an art gallery and support facilities including a green room and prop shop. 162.212.34.216 ( talk) 16:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)