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BTW- Our wine industry in Canada has been doing great in recent competitions. See the St. Catharines Wine Tasting of 2005 and the Ottawa Wine Tasting of 2005. Ted Howell 15:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Ottawa Wine Tasting of 2005 article has been deleted Steve.Moulding 20:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
BTW- tasters at The St. Catharines Wine Tasting of 2005 were all Canadian and included writers for Canadian wine magazines, professors and students at the local University, and 8 members of the Ontario wine industry(!). Nothing against Canadian wine, but this trumpeting of the results of this (minor) tasting needs to be kept in perspective. Steve.Moulding 20:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I have always heard that Italy produced the most wine in the world, often in the context of it being underappreciated outside Italy! See here for example, although those figures are from 1998 and show Italy just slightly ahead and Italian production decining faster than French. I've heard mentioned that France produces the most 'quality' wine in the world, whatever that means, presumably wine over a certain base price threshold. Maybe the most wine in bottles rather than Tetrapak :-) -- Blorg 19:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Having browsed around the French Wine entries in Wikipedia, I have to say that in general, the representation of French wine here is in a shambles. Far from wishing only to complain, I plan on adding what I can. There's certainly a lot to be done. Is anyone else interested in rallying a concerted effort to make the entries on French Wine full and informative? -- BridgeBurner 19:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
It is my view that much of French wine is infected with a negative POV. There is much talk of the problems facing French wine here and elsewhere which are very real and germane. However, not only are the problems listed in a much larger volume compared to any other type of information, but they are often accompanies with a promotion of some other type of wine. There are also written in an extremely sweeping assumptive language as if the editor knows what a large population wants or needs. The more I delve into this, the more I assume a vested interest by the editor(s) involved. It seems that there are few editors present in Wikipedia that care enough about French wine to promote an unbiased viewpoint, so it seems these edits have been allowed to infiltrate almost every level. I appeal to the editor(s) in question to define their motivation to further a pretty bald bias. -- BridgeBurner 18:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Negative POV, indeed: "...it's becoming increasingly difficult for French producers to compete internationally, and in traditional French fashion, they are beginning to surrender." Perhaps the article would be better off without this cheap crack at the French. -- Benwk 13:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Problems in the French Wine Industry has been put up for deletion. A potential outcome could be a request to merge the relevant information into this article so any input (or improvements) that could be given from the editors of this article would be appreciated. Agne 20:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
This is an English-language entry so one should use Burgundy.
Some of the content in the Organizations section is from the merged article L'Office national interprofessionnel des vins. Agne Cheese/ Wine 03:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm quite unhappy with the way the article starts right now. This is an article on French wine, not about the history of French wine. While the history is quite interesting, the first 9 lines of the article (in my browser) are only about history; they would belong better in a history section. Tomas e ( talk) 20:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
My geography is a bit sketchy, but I seem to remember that Paris is somewhere inland on the Seine. However, I was surprised to see on the wine map that it is now a huge island off the West coast of France. On a serious note it seems unnecessary as Paris doesn't itself produce wine that the 'island' can be removed from the map. If of course someone has moved Paris please ignore this. Macgruder ( talk) 09:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Here are some thoughts on ways to get this article up to a B class:
I've made some edits, added a few sources and a picture et al. - However, I think the article lacks some technical data, such as amount of wine produced, area under vines and so on and so forth. Is there some tempelate we can borrow from somewhere, that we can institute on more pages (italian wine, american wine, german wine etc.)?-- Nwinther ( talk) 16:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about the referencing of the page. I'm looking into a rewrite of the "big 6+" section to expand them slightly, and came to think of the referencing of those sections. How do we reference on summaries that are throughly referenced in their proper articles? Do I find new (my own) sources or do I rely on the ones in the proper article (and don't source at all in theses segments)?-- Nwinther ( talk) 08:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking to give this article another go. It seems to have stalled despite being the wine-drive on Wikiproject Wine. However, I'd like it if someone (Agne?) would review his list of 18 february 2008 (above). Nice to have a to-do-list. Any thoughts?-- Nwinther ( talk) 12:01, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 13:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
.. does not, in this context, mean "at the estate", but "at the cooperative". In a few cases the grapes will be vinified separately and the wine bottled under the name of the grower's 'chateau', but most growers simply sell their grapes to the cooperative (getting paid by quantity and sugar content). Philip Trueman ( talk) 13:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm an American, which is apparently a dangerous thing to be on this page, but I notice that the production estimates are 50-60 million hectoliters. To me, this would sound better as 5-6 gigaliters or 5-6 billion liters. 50-60 million hectoliters just sounds odd. Are hectoliters commonly used to measure quanitites of wine? I know that hecto- and deca- don't get much love, but I propose changing the phrasing here. Anyway, I'm off to McDonald's to whine, sod-off, and look for France on the map of Asia on the back of the placemat. Chaotic42 ( talk) 23:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
This paragraph in "Trends" is highly misleading: "The result has been a continuing wine glut, often called the wine lake. This has led to the distillation of wine into industrial alcohol as well as a government program to pay farmers to pull up their grape vines through vine pull schemes. A large part of this glut is caused by the re-emergence of Languedoc wine." The wine glut existed 20 years ago and the wine pull-up scheme was dropped almost a decade ago. That the wine glut would be due to "the re-emergence of Languedoc wine" is simply false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB04:110:C800:1CAD:92D0:15A9:C2BB ( talk) 17:37, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
This article has certainly improved significantly since I last reviewed it. Here are some thoughts on future improvement.
I note the article as a whole is already the topic of some discussion, but particularly with some recent changes, the lead is getting very unwieldy (I note someone's just tagged it as too long) and also probably a little too exuberant in saying how great French wine is and in making generalisations, eg with phrases like "the world leader regarding not only quantity but also quality", "many other countries find inspiration in the french [AOC] system", "French wine plays an important role in French identity and pride" etc. Plus isn't it standard for the lead to start "French wine [per the article's full name] is ..."? Currently it does more of less cover all the key points (as below), so I guess it just needs some copyediting and the removal of both some of the detail/wordiness and some of the broader generalisations -
It should be possible to keep to a very brief neutral/factual paragraph on each, and leave it a manageable size overall? -- Nickhh ( talk) 19:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Further to the above I thought I'd post a proposed draft here rather than plonk it in the article immediately. Grateful for any thoughts - I've based it mostly on previous versions, but just stripped quite a bit out -
-- Nickhh ( talk) 09:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I am going to rewrite this, giving a footnote for the two very important details that I am changing. If anyone thinks that I (and the website I cite) have got this wrong, by all means correct me and cite another source!
The translation "domaine" = "field" was just a simple mistake: no need to cite a source for changing that, I think. No one can imagine that wines are bottled "at the field", surely. And rew D alby 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
hola —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.33.97.130 ( talk) 12:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
"the typical French person drank local wine and, although proud of France's reputation for making some of the world's outstanding wines, knew relatively little about them"
Why is this phrase in wikipedia ?
I'm growing pretty tired of the obvious vandalism that permeates all the France-related articles. If you tiresome, whining Americans don't have something better to do than to vandalise wikipedian pages please just sod off! I removed the links, because both of them was very critical towards the French wine industry and is an ill disguised POV...
So. That's what you call thinking? The most vandalized articles in this so called encyclopedia are American and it's done by whining Europeans which includes you British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.45.168 ( talk) 14:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
This is incomplete: for example the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petit_Manseng is omitted. I don't have access to the stats, but it's worth a better look, and the figures being dated, as they will evolve over time. Richardhod ( talk) 13:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
This is the current caption to one of the photos in the article: "French wines are usually made to accompany food." It seems a rather sweeping (and fairly false) statement. Should it be changed? I think it should be changed. But I don't have the wikinerve to change it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.40.179 ( talk) 17:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, is the wine consumption decreasing in Latin Europe? That sounds misleading. In the past in here (northern portugal) people bought 5L wine bottles. In recent years, it is a whole world apart, it is trendy and healthier than drinking soda drinks filled with sugar, people search for better quality and moderation now, and buy 750ml bottles, as people are going away from Soda, they redevelop the taste and pleasure of wines, after some time, a good idea is moving to drinking water after leaving sugar-filled soda drinks, and then to wine, and see the results on their skin appearance, weight and drinking pleasure. -- Pedro ( talk) 12:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
The page says: L'Office national interprofessionnel des vins, abbreviated ONIVINS, is a French association of vintners.
ONIVINS doesn't exist anymore. This governlment agency has been merged with others to form, first, VINIFLHOR, then FranceAgriMer. It has never been an association of vintners, but a government agency, whose mission is to control the application of French laws about vineyard planting and quality, to produce socio-economic data on grapevine sector and to support experimentations.
Website: http://www.franceagrimer.fr/
A French reader 147.100.144.97 ( talk) 11:12, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Apparently, the French wine industry was saved by importing California vines that were resistant to Phylloxera , which is native to North America. The Wik article "Great French Wine Blight" (which does not have a French page)pretty much supports this, naming Texas as the source of the savior vines. This page ( http://arlindo-correia.com/060904.html) has info from the Columbia Encyc. and a book on the blight. 64.53.191.77 ( talk) 02:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Whether it is due to changing tastes or some other factor(s), the addition of RS material on this would improve the article. 50.111.44.55 ( talk) 04:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
What about Bergerac? It's Wikipedia entry says it's a wine-growing region. Paul Magnussen ( talk) 18:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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BTW- Our wine industry in Canada has been doing great in recent competitions. See the St. Catharines Wine Tasting of 2005 and the Ottawa Wine Tasting of 2005. Ted Howell 15:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Ottawa Wine Tasting of 2005 article has been deleted Steve.Moulding 20:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
BTW- tasters at The St. Catharines Wine Tasting of 2005 were all Canadian and included writers for Canadian wine magazines, professors and students at the local University, and 8 members of the Ontario wine industry(!). Nothing against Canadian wine, but this trumpeting of the results of this (minor) tasting needs to be kept in perspective. Steve.Moulding 20:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I have always heard that Italy produced the most wine in the world, often in the context of it being underappreciated outside Italy! See here for example, although those figures are from 1998 and show Italy just slightly ahead and Italian production decining faster than French. I've heard mentioned that France produces the most 'quality' wine in the world, whatever that means, presumably wine over a certain base price threshold. Maybe the most wine in bottles rather than Tetrapak :-) -- Blorg 19:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Having browsed around the French Wine entries in Wikipedia, I have to say that in general, the representation of French wine here is in a shambles. Far from wishing only to complain, I plan on adding what I can. There's certainly a lot to be done. Is anyone else interested in rallying a concerted effort to make the entries on French Wine full and informative? -- BridgeBurner 19:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
It is my view that much of French wine is infected with a negative POV. There is much talk of the problems facing French wine here and elsewhere which are very real and germane. However, not only are the problems listed in a much larger volume compared to any other type of information, but they are often accompanies with a promotion of some other type of wine. There are also written in an extremely sweeping assumptive language as if the editor knows what a large population wants or needs. The more I delve into this, the more I assume a vested interest by the editor(s) involved. It seems that there are few editors present in Wikipedia that care enough about French wine to promote an unbiased viewpoint, so it seems these edits have been allowed to infiltrate almost every level. I appeal to the editor(s) in question to define their motivation to further a pretty bald bias. -- BridgeBurner 18:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Negative POV, indeed: "...it's becoming increasingly difficult for French producers to compete internationally, and in traditional French fashion, they are beginning to surrender." Perhaps the article would be better off without this cheap crack at the French. -- Benwk 13:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Problems in the French Wine Industry has been put up for deletion. A potential outcome could be a request to merge the relevant information into this article so any input (or improvements) that could be given from the editors of this article would be appreciated. Agne 20:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
This is an English-language entry so one should use Burgundy.
Some of the content in the Organizations section is from the merged article L'Office national interprofessionnel des vins. Agne Cheese/ Wine 03:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm quite unhappy with the way the article starts right now. This is an article on French wine, not about the history of French wine. While the history is quite interesting, the first 9 lines of the article (in my browser) are only about history; they would belong better in a history section. Tomas e ( talk) 20:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
My geography is a bit sketchy, but I seem to remember that Paris is somewhere inland on the Seine. However, I was surprised to see on the wine map that it is now a huge island off the West coast of France. On a serious note it seems unnecessary as Paris doesn't itself produce wine that the 'island' can be removed from the map. If of course someone has moved Paris please ignore this. Macgruder ( talk) 09:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Here are some thoughts on ways to get this article up to a B class:
I've made some edits, added a few sources and a picture et al. - However, I think the article lacks some technical data, such as amount of wine produced, area under vines and so on and so forth. Is there some tempelate we can borrow from somewhere, that we can institute on more pages (italian wine, american wine, german wine etc.)?-- Nwinther ( talk) 16:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about the referencing of the page. I'm looking into a rewrite of the "big 6+" section to expand them slightly, and came to think of the referencing of those sections. How do we reference on summaries that are throughly referenced in their proper articles? Do I find new (my own) sources or do I rely on the ones in the proper article (and don't source at all in theses segments)?-- Nwinther ( talk) 08:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking to give this article another go. It seems to have stalled despite being the wine-drive on Wikiproject Wine. However, I'd like it if someone (Agne?) would review his list of 18 february 2008 (above). Nice to have a to-do-list. Any thoughts?-- Nwinther ( talk) 12:01, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Image:Logo-vigneron Thmb.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 13:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
.. does not, in this context, mean "at the estate", but "at the cooperative". In a few cases the grapes will be vinified separately and the wine bottled under the name of the grower's 'chateau', but most growers simply sell their grapes to the cooperative (getting paid by quantity and sugar content). Philip Trueman ( talk) 13:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm an American, which is apparently a dangerous thing to be on this page, but I notice that the production estimates are 50-60 million hectoliters. To me, this would sound better as 5-6 gigaliters or 5-6 billion liters. 50-60 million hectoliters just sounds odd. Are hectoliters commonly used to measure quanitites of wine? I know that hecto- and deca- don't get much love, but I propose changing the phrasing here. Anyway, I'm off to McDonald's to whine, sod-off, and look for France on the map of Asia on the back of the placemat. Chaotic42 ( talk) 23:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
This paragraph in "Trends" is highly misleading: "The result has been a continuing wine glut, often called the wine lake. This has led to the distillation of wine into industrial alcohol as well as a government program to pay farmers to pull up their grape vines through vine pull schemes. A large part of this glut is caused by the re-emergence of Languedoc wine." The wine glut existed 20 years ago and the wine pull-up scheme was dropped almost a decade ago. That the wine glut would be due to "the re-emergence of Languedoc wine" is simply false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB04:110:C800:1CAD:92D0:15A9:C2BB ( talk) 17:37, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
This article has certainly improved significantly since I last reviewed it. Here are some thoughts on future improvement.
I note the article as a whole is already the topic of some discussion, but particularly with some recent changes, the lead is getting very unwieldy (I note someone's just tagged it as too long) and also probably a little too exuberant in saying how great French wine is and in making generalisations, eg with phrases like "the world leader regarding not only quantity but also quality", "many other countries find inspiration in the french [AOC] system", "French wine plays an important role in French identity and pride" etc. Plus isn't it standard for the lead to start "French wine [per the article's full name] is ..."? Currently it does more of less cover all the key points (as below), so I guess it just needs some copyediting and the removal of both some of the detail/wordiness and some of the broader generalisations -
It should be possible to keep to a very brief neutral/factual paragraph on each, and leave it a manageable size overall? -- Nickhh ( talk) 19:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Further to the above I thought I'd post a proposed draft here rather than plonk it in the article immediately. Grateful for any thoughts - I've based it mostly on previous versions, but just stripped quite a bit out -
-- Nickhh ( talk) 09:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I am going to rewrite this, giving a footnote for the two very important details that I am changing. If anyone thinks that I (and the website I cite) have got this wrong, by all means correct me and cite another source!
The translation "domaine" = "field" was just a simple mistake: no need to cite a source for changing that, I think. No one can imagine that wines are bottled "at the field", surely. And rew D alby 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
hola —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.33.97.130 ( talk) 12:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
"the typical French person drank local wine and, although proud of France's reputation for making some of the world's outstanding wines, knew relatively little about them"
Why is this phrase in wikipedia ?
I'm growing pretty tired of the obvious vandalism that permeates all the France-related articles. If you tiresome, whining Americans don't have something better to do than to vandalise wikipedian pages please just sod off! I removed the links, because both of them was very critical towards the French wine industry and is an ill disguised POV...
So. That's what you call thinking? The most vandalized articles in this so called encyclopedia are American and it's done by whining Europeans which includes you British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.45.168 ( talk) 14:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
This is incomplete: for example the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petit_Manseng is omitted. I don't have access to the stats, but it's worth a better look, and the figures being dated, as they will evolve over time. Richardhod ( talk) 13:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
This is the current caption to one of the photos in the article: "French wines are usually made to accompany food." It seems a rather sweeping (and fairly false) statement. Should it be changed? I think it should be changed. But I don't have the wikinerve to change it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.40.179 ( talk) 17:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, is the wine consumption decreasing in Latin Europe? That sounds misleading. In the past in here (northern portugal) people bought 5L wine bottles. In recent years, it is a whole world apart, it is trendy and healthier than drinking soda drinks filled with sugar, people search for better quality and moderation now, and buy 750ml bottles, as people are going away from Soda, they redevelop the taste and pleasure of wines, after some time, a good idea is moving to drinking water after leaving sugar-filled soda drinks, and then to wine, and see the results on their skin appearance, weight and drinking pleasure. -- Pedro ( talk) 12:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
The page says: L'Office national interprofessionnel des vins, abbreviated ONIVINS, is a French association of vintners.
ONIVINS doesn't exist anymore. This governlment agency has been merged with others to form, first, VINIFLHOR, then FranceAgriMer. It has never been an association of vintners, but a government agency, whose mission is to control the application of French laws about vineyard planting and quality, to produce socio-economic data on grapevine sector and to support experimentations.
Website: http://www.franceagrimer.fr/
A French reader 147.100.144.97 ( talk) 11:12, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Apparently, the French wine industry was saved by importing California vines that were resistant to Phylloxera , which is native to North America. The Wik article "Great French Wine Blight" (which does not have a French page)pretty much supports this, naming Texas as the source of the savior vines. This page ( http://arlindo-correia.com/060904.html) has info from the Columbia Encyc. and a book on the blight. 64.53.191.77 ( talk) 02:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Whether it is due to changing tastes or some other factor(s), the addition of RS material on this would improve the article. 50.111.44.55 ( talk) 04:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
What about Bergerac? It's Wikipedia entry says it's a wine-growing region. Paul Magnussen ( talk) 18:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)