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I am in the process of adding a lot of information to the first 3 French and Indian wars, seeing as they have been neglected so. I'm starting with the 1690 Battle of Quebec. AmericanColumbia — Preceding undated comment added 05:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Re: "no one uses those names for these wars". First off - I do. Secondly, I appreciated your attempt to discuss it here first. Thirdly, I'm a history teacher in Quebec and I am required by law to teach my students the "Intercolonial Wars". If the students cannot identify which war was the second v.s. the fourth, then they will be penalized. Their final provincial history exams are requirements for a high school leaving certificate. Here are some links that use the "Intercolonial Wars"
I didn't look to see if these are academic sources, but the point is that some people use the term. Frankly Rmhermen, I'm surprised by the speed at which you repeatedly moved on this item given your extensive and reputable contributions to Wikipedia. Trapper 05:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Went to french high school in Quebec and have younger siblings doing the same in the past decade; if the expression has currency in public education, it's extremely recent. Up to that point the wars were mostly refered to by their broader, european name or in a few cases in the early colonial period as the french-iroquois wars, but that's an episode of the beaver wars. 216.252.78.183 ( talk) 21:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I should first mention I'm Canadian. Now, I've never heard these names for the North American theatres of the wars before (e.g. King William's War, Queen Anne's War, etc.) except for the French and Indian War, which I know as the American name for the Seven Years' War.
Though the article does state that the "French and Indian Wars" collective title is used in the U.S., it should be clearer that the usage of these names are (as far as I am aware) confined to the U.S. -- Saforrest 04:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)`
it seems to me that a lot of the history i'm reading on wikipedia lately has been written from a canadian perspective. first- thank you to the historians doing so much thorough contributions to this wiki. but i have to also say that though this is, in a way refreshing, it is also confusing. so, i guess this is a request for a more well-rounded take on these pages. (this coming from an "american" whose country creates a bias in all history....) it definitely raises some questions about how to write "general history" for a world-wide resource.
thanks 66.93.38.197 05:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC) honeyduck
Why is it needed to have this 'Wikimarkup'? At least create an WYSIWYG editor (within reason). Anyway the more I look at Wikipedia the more it's obvious that too much information is wrong. And with as little of Wikipedia as I read and as little as I know for me to be catching these says something.
Anyway, this article states that the War of Independence and the American Revolution and the series of 'French / English' caused the French to loose all their New World Territories but doesn't even mention the Louisiana Purchase which happened in the 19th Century.
And there is this 'Canadian / American War Nomenclature' business which is just ill. Using a commonly used European name for a war doesn't make you seem smart; given European history it seems to indicate the opposite. In cases where something has two or more commonly used names mention the names but don't try and stir up trouble with a he said / she said nonsense. ThunderCell ( talk) 00:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
"In the longer term, however, the Covenant Chain was a tool of British imperialism, destructive to its Indian members." [1] User:Dilidor is removing this sentence with the motivation: "outrageously one-sided perspective, regardless of having citation".
The question is: What shall we trust? An eminent scholar chosen as an author in Handbook of North American Indians by the Smithsonian Insitution, or Dildors unsubstantiated opinions? If they doesn't approve, I suggest they find a scholar with a different opinion. Creuzbourg ( talk) 08:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
References
if I click on Dummer's War I learn that it was from 1722-1725, which is outside the 1702-1713 limits of Queen Anne's War. Is it a 5th Intercolonial / French and Indian Wars war, or it's own thing? How can it be an alternate name for Queen Anne's War if it is outside the timeframe? Skates61 ( talk) 19:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
The para about tactics is poorly written and inadequately referenced. Humpster ( talk) 07:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
The table which lists various names has column headings "North American War" and "European War". Both are incorrect, so I propose to change them. "North American War" should be "Name in United States", while "European War" should be Global name or Global war, or perhaps "name everywhere else"
The page following the table states that naming conventions differ between Canada and the United States; I don't know about Mexico. Nevertheless, the column title is incorrect. Similarly, the seven years war was fought globally. I don't know if only European countries were involved. In either case, the column title is misleading. Although the logic seems unassailable, I'll leave this topic for comment before I make any changes. Humpster ( talk) 02:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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I am in the process of adding a lot of information to the first 3 French and Indian wars, seeing as they have been neglected so. I'm starting with the 1690 Battle of Quebec. AmericanColumbia — Preceding undated comment added 05:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Re: "no one uses those names for these wars". First off - I do. Secondly, I appreciated your attempt to discuss it here first. Thirdly, I'm a history teacher in Quebec and I am required by law to teach my students the "Intercolonial Wars". If the students cannot identify which war was the second v.s. the fourth, then they will be penalized. Their final provincial history exams are requirements for a high school leaving certificate. Here are some links that use the "Intercolonial Wars"
I didn't look to see if these are academic sources, but the point is that some people use the term. Frankly Rmhermen, I'm surprised by the speed at which you repeatedly moved on this item given your extensive and reputable contributions to Wikipedia. Trapper 05:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Went to french high school in Quebec and have younger siblings doing the same in the past decade; if the expression has currency in public education, it's extremely recent. Up to that point the wars were mostly refered to by their broader, european name or in a few cases in the early colonial period as the french-iroquois wars, but that's an episode of the beaver wars. 216.252.78.183 ( talk) 21:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I should first mention I'm Canadian. Now, I've never heard these names for the North American theatres of the wars before (e.g. King William's War, Queen Anne's War, etc.) except for the French and Indian War, which I know as the American name for the Seven Years' War.
Though the article does state that the "French and Indian Wars" collective title is used in the U.S., it should be clearer that the usage of these names are (as far as I am aware) confined to the U.S. -- Saforrest 04:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)`
it seems to me that a lot of the history i'm reading on wikipedia lately has been written from a canadian perspective. first- thank you to the historians doing so much thorough contributions to this wiki. but i have to also say that though this is, in a way refreshing, it is also confusing. so, i guess this is a request for a more well-rounded take on these pages. (this coming from an "american" whose country creates a bias in all history....) it definitely raises some questions about how to write "general history" for a world-wide resource.
thanks 66.93.38.197 05:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC) honeyduck
Why is it needed to have this 'Wikimarkup'? At least create an WYSIWYG editor (within reason). Anyway the more I look at Wikipedia the more it's obvious that too much information is wrong. And with as little of Wikipedia as I read and as little as I know for me to be catching these says something.
Anyway, this article states that the War of Independence and the American Revolution and the series of 'French / English' caused the French to loose all their New World Territories but doesn't even mention the Louisiana Purchase which happened in the 19th Century.
And there is this 'Canadian / American War Nomenclature' business which is just ill. Using a commonly used European name for a war doesn't make you seem smart; given European history it seems to indicate the opposite. In cases where something has two or more commonly used names mention the names but don't try and stir up trouble with a he said / she said nonsense. ThunderCell ( talk) 00:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
"In the longer term, however, the Covenant Chain was a tool of British imperialism, destructive to its Indian members." [1] User:Dilidor is removing this sentence with the motivation: "outrageously one-sided perspective, regardless of having citation".
The question is: What shall we trust? An eminent scholar chosen as an author in Handbook of North American Indians by the Smithsonian Insitution, or Dildors unsubstantiated opinions? If they doesn't approve, I suggest they find a scholar with a different opinion. Creuzbourg ( talk) 08:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
References
if I click on Dummer's War I learn that it was from 1722-1725, which is outside the 1702-1713 limits of Queen Anne's War. Is it a 5th Intercolonial / French and Indian Wars war, or it's own thing? How can it be an alternate name for Queen Anne's War if it is outside the timeframe? Skates61 ( talk) 19:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
The para about tactics is poorly written and inadequately referenced. Humpster ( talk) 07:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
The table which lists various names has column headings "North American War" and "European War". Both are incorrect, so I propose to change them. "North American War" should be "Name in United States", while "European War" should be Global name or Global war, or perhaps "name everywhere else"
The page following the table states that naming conventions differ between Canada and the United States; I don't know about Mexico. Nevertheless, the column title is incorrect. Similarly, the seven years war was fought globally. I don't know if only European countries were involved. In either case, the column title is misleading. Although the logic seems unassailable, I'll leave this topic for comment before I make any changes. Humpster ( talk) 02:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)