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Fremantle, Australia has been moved to Fremantle, because there is only one Fremantle(unless you count the guy it's named after). -- Tim Starling 08:57 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
Quite surprised that Fremantle has so little content. Are there any Perth editors who are Freo based that can contribute? There is a lot of history in Freo that can be told, and certainly you'd not be a true Perth person without spending part of your childhood in Freo or eating at Cicerello's at least.
I'm pretty sure the image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fremantle_tagged_gnangarra.jpg has the train station tagged incorrectly. To my knowledge, the train station is actually not visible in the photograph, being to the right of the harbour control building. -- G solon 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure that "FremAntle" is universally pronounced as "FrEEmantle"? I've been here for over 40 years, and the only people I ever heard use "FrEEmantle" have been po English migrants -- and only a few at that.
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Talk, 05 November 2006 @05:35 UTC
I live way over on the other side :p - I always thought it was exactly the opposite to what it appears to be saying in the article. An untutored reader (such as myself) would pronounce it with the first syllable enunciated as FREE, whereas a local would shorten that up to sound like FRUH. So there you go.
I have put the pronunciation guide to freo as a footnote. There did not seem to be anywhere else to put it yet. I added a tiny bit and another reference. Fred 17:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
The article as it stood mentioned that Carmen Lawrence was a "significant political figure" which Fremantle had "produced". It then went on to say that she was the first female Australian Premier etc. I have removed it to this talk page for discussion because it did not have a citation. It does not seem right to me. Sure, she's a significant (and controversial) political figure, but I am not convinced that Fremantle has had much to do with this at all. Her article says she was born in Northam, went to various schools elsewhere in Perth and WA, taught in Melbourne, and she was first elected to the WA parliament as the member for Subiaco, and then after a redistribution, got re-elected twice as member for Glendalough, once while she was Premier. The only time that Fremantle seems to even come into her biography was when she stood for it, a safe Labor seat. To claim that Fremantle somehow nurtured her into her success ignores that she was already high-profile, significant and controversial well before she had anything to do with Fremantle. - Mark 11:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a new and growing database of newspaper articles relating to Fremantle: http://fremantle.archives.org.au/data/newspaper_clippings (in case anyone's interested). 203.190.192.130 ( talk) 03:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The 04:24, 26 November 2008 124.169.95.182 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.-- Wing ( talk) 10:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Does Freemantle count as a city? I've lived in Perth my whole life and have only ever heard/thought of it as a suburb, whilst it is one of the most famous and major suburb, Perth would still be the city no?
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The Whadjuk identify six seasons which guided their movement across the land. For instance during Djeran (cool weather April to May) families moved back along the Swan River away from the coast. When Makuru (cold and wet June to July) came the Whadjuk moved further inland to their winter camps. By the time of Kambarang (warm and rain decreasing October to November) the Whadjuk had started to move back to the coast as the weather warmed up.
which was apparently pasted from here. Cheers, Bjenks ( talk) 04:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The title ' prehistory' should be amended to 'Aboriginal (pre-European settlement)' or something similar which acknowledges that there was a civilization with its own history prior to European settlement. The term 'prehistory' is dismissive of the Aboriginal civilization suggesting there was nothing significant prior and the 'history of Australia' only happened once Europeans settled in Australia. What does everybody else think? COF6160 ( talk) 01:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Going through the prehistory page it seems there already is already a debate about what constitutes 'written history' as paintings and designs may also fall into 'written history' if they could be interpreted as a form of language see here and here.. This is a whole separate debate which I'll let the experts battle it out. However, it still doesn't sound right to me to call everything prior to European settlement as prehistory especially considering the Aboriginal people/culture/traditions etc still exists to this day. They recorded their history through their tradition of oral stories and paintings so it seems dismissive to ignore how they passed on their history in favour of the European tradition. Even if it is implied with 'prehistory', I still think we should emphasize with a pre-European settlement heading. COF6160 ( talk) 04:41, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Why dont we just remove the prehistory title, history starts at the beginning and then highlights major shifts. It covers aboriginal settlement, exploration etc, then the first subsection is settlement and so on.
Gnan
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I was sure that articles like this have climate down the other end - it seems far too high above other information which by practice should come earlier in the article - anyone with any thoughts on this ?? JarrahTree 12:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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Fremantle, Australia has been moved to Fremantle, because there is only one Fremantle(unless you count the guy it's named after). -- Tim Starling 08:57 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
Quite surprised that Fremantle has so little content. Are there any Perth editors who are Freo based that can contribute? There is a lot of history in Freo that can be told, and certainly you'd not be a true Perth person without spending part of your childhood in Freo or eating at Cicerello's at least.
I'm pretty sure the image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fremantle_tagged_gnangarra.jpg has the train station tagged incorrectly. To my knowledge, the train station is actually not visible in the photograph, being to the right of the harbour control building. -- G solon 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure that "FremAntle" is universally pronounced as "FrEEmantle"? I've been here for over 40 years, and the only people I ever heard use "FrEEmantle" have been po English migrants -- and only a few at that.
Gordon |
Talk, 05 November 2006 @05:35 UTC
I live way over on the other side :p - I always thought it was exactly the opposite to what it appears to be saying in the article. An untutored reader (such as myself) would pronounce it with the first syllable enunciated as FREE, whereas a local would shorten that up to sound like FRUH. So there you go.
I have put the pronunciation guide to freo as a footnote. There did not seem to be anywhere else to put it yet. I added a tiny bit and another reference. Fred 17:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
The article as it stood mentioned that Carmen Lawrence was a "significant political figure" which Fremantle had "produced". It then went on to say that she was the first female Australian Premier etc. I have removed it to this talk page for discussion because it did not have a citation. It does not seem right to me. Sure, she's a significant (and controversial) political figure, but I am not convinced that Fremantle has had much to do with this at all. Her article says she was born in Northam, went to various schools elsewhere in Perth and WA, taught in Melbourne, and she was first elected to the WA parliament as the member for Subiaco, and then after a redistribution, got re-elected twice as member for Glendalough, once while she was Premier. The only time that Fremantle seems to even come into her biography was when she stood for it, a safe Labor seat. To claim that Fremantle somehow nurtured her into her success ignores that she was already high-profile, significant and controversial well before she had anything to do with Fremantle. - Mark 11:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a new and growing database of newspaper articles relating to Fremantle: http://fremantle.archives.org.au/data/newspaper_clippings (in case anyone's interested). 203.190.192.130 ( talk) 03:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The 04:24, 26 November 2008 124.169.95.182 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.-- Wing ( talk) 10:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Does Freemantle count as a city? I've lived in Perth my whole life and have only ever heard/thought of it as a suburb, whilst it is one of the most famous and major suburb, Perth would still be the city no?
To be safe, I have removed the following content
The Whadjuk identify six seasons which guided their movement across the land. For instance during Djeran (cool weather April to May) families moved back along the Swan River away from the coast. When Makuru (cold and wet June to July) came the Whadjuk moved further inland to their winter camps. By the time of Kambarang (warm and rain decreasing October to November) the Whadjuk had started to move back to the coast as the weather warmed up.
which was apparently pasted from here. Cheers, Bjenks ( talk) 04:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The title ' prehistory' should be amended to 'Aboriginal (pre-European settlement)' or something similar which acknowledges that there was a civilization with its own history prior to European settlement. The term 'prehistory' is dismissive of the Aboriginal civilization suggesting there was nothing significant prior and the 'history of Australia' only happened once Europeans settled in Australia. What does everybody else think? COF6160 ( talk) 01:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Going through the prehistory page it seems there already is already a debate about what constitutes 'written history' as paintings and designs may also fall into 'written history' if they could be interpreted as a form of language see here and here.. This is a whole separate debate which I'll let the experts battle it out. However, it still doesn't sound right to me to call everything prior to European settlement as prehistory especially considering the Aboriginal people/culture/traditions etc still exists to this day. They recorded their history through their tradition of oral stories and paintings so it seems dismissive to ignore how they passed on their history in favour of the European tradition. Even if it is implied with 'prehistory', I still think we should emphasize with a pre-European settlement heading. COF6160 ( talk) 04:41, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Why dont we just remove the prehistory title, history starts at the beginning and then highlights major shifts. It covers aboriginal settlement, exploration etc, then the first subsection is settlement and so on.
Gnan
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