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says shes the highest payed actress in bollywood i wouldn't called her a bollywood star just coz shes indian shes has yet to do a bollywood film and most bollywood films are hindu or hindu style shes not so i changed it to "in india" also hollywood is bigger with multi million film productions so clearly she'll earn more money working in places like amercia than actresses in india. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.199.25 ( talk) 23:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
If she is e="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.26.128 ( talk) 21:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to be born on February 30th? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.105.30.45 ( talk) 05:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
pinto?? that sounds latin, being catholic, she's probably portugueses
216.164.63.182 ( talk) 20:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Freida Pinto sounds Jewish. Pinto is a popular Sephardic name. I'll bet her family roots are Jews from Iraq who came to Mumbai for business like many Iraqi Jews in the last couple of hundred years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.100.182.242 ( talk) 02:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure why rumors are part of her bio. If you can't find a public declaration by either party that they are dating should it really be included? I thought this website was about facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WebMachiavelli ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
By the way I removed the rumors in the personal life section. Since the one about her and co-star seem to be refuted by the references it seems especially ridiculous to keep in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WebMachiavelli ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm unsure if the story about her rumoured engagement needs to be in there based on scoops by newspapers which seem to have quotes and photographs provided by "friends".
Shehas a portuguese name! Study the Portuguese Discoveries and you will find out that Goa (an Indian City) was taken by Portugal and there are a lot of building with the Portuguese flag. Check the "Capela de Santa Catarina" (
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/S%C3%A9_de_Santa_Catarina.jpg/180px-S%C3%A9_de_Santa_Catarina.jpg),
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:India_Goa_Portuguese_Villa.jpg in this picture you can see the portuguese architects and Portugal constructed more than 10 huge castels in Goa. It very likely that she own portuguese roots. Even chinese celebrities own portuguese roots! —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.193.66.206 (
talk)
09:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I think the article talks too much about Slumdog. The film has its own article. -- Beardo ( talk) 22:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Corrected to her real website: http://www.freidapinto.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.124.113.165 ( talk) 07:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Removed the following text. Completely irrelevant in a brief about an actor. Rather reflects a certain bent of mind of the contributor. There was more in the referenced interview, and this was a minor point, the contributor seemingly intends to focus on.
Comments on sex scenes (see above) and dating a co-star continue to be added. This is entirely biased speculation and irrelevant to a biographical article. Please edit.
That's not true! Pedro Pinto (sports anchor for CNN International) is NOT her brother.
A user has requested mediation on this issue. A mediator will be here shortly to assist you. The case page for this mediation is located here.
If the surname Pinto is of Portuguese origin, then the name Freida is of English origin. Why don't you even mention that Kensplanet ( talk) 05:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Mangalorean Catholics have
Goan origins;
Pinto is a name of Portuguese origin (just check the articles). I can't understand why you removed this information (I can see only bad reasons). I had written a week ago that Freida Pinto had a probable Portuguese ancestry, given her last name. Then I read what you (Kensplanet) wrote on Portuguese names used by Konkani Catholics and corrected it. But there is no reason to remove true information on a person's ethnical origins and family name (proper names are irrelevant except when they are very unusual or eccentric).
If you are to answer me, please write it here, and not on my talk page. Thank you.
Velho (
talk)
14:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
1. You are (intentionally?) misreading this part of the article. 2. There is no speculation in the article, only two facts: a) Mangalorean Catholics stem from Mangalore and, before that, Goa. b) "Pinto" is a Portuguese name. Please check these articles! 3. Those are plain true assertions with relevant information that cannot be deleted. 4. The article does not claim that FP has Portuguese ancestors. 5. I am sure that you are acting with good faith, but deleting this information is an ethnic informational cleansing, which is bad in itself and is also a PoV. Velho ( talk) 14:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
There's no original research (please read the articles on Mangalorean Catholics and Pinto, I just used them) and that's certainly not the reason why I'm being reverted. Please try to answer my arguments here on the talk page. You're deleting information. I'll soon file a request for mediation, anyway. Velho ( talk) 22:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok,
24.184.166.238 , now you're addressing the real issues. I will not discuss "nationalism", since it works both ways.
The only real question is exactly the one you mention, that is, whether the origin of the name is or is not relevant. I think we have a good sign that it is just by reading the previous sections of this talk page. People do wonder about Freida's name. They wouldn't, if the name were "Andrews". Then, it seems quite appropriate to say the minimum about that name and to have a link to its page.
You also said that "The sentence is misleading and that's what fuels speculation." I can't see how can this be misleading: "The name 'Pinto' is of Portuguese origin, but that does not imply that Freida Pinto has Portuguese ancestors." Anyway, I will fully agree to any change of the sentence that keeps the same information and makes it less misleading to your eyes.
Lastly, you have argued only about the sentence on the name. People have been deleting also the two words linking to
Goa. Nobody has given a reason for that deletion.
Velho (
talk)
02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
This (
83.206.194.105) is not me!
Velho (
talk)
18:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
And this (
83.206.194.108) isn't me either.
Velho (
talk)
18:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Now the article says "...however she is not of Portuguese ancestry.". This is not only unsourced, it is unsourceable (and absurd:
genealogical places go over one million if you go back 500 years: 220).
Velho (
talk)
02:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
a —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blah1985 ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I have accepted and opened the mediation case for the subject concerning the wording surrounding the name "Pinto" and the circumstances surrounding it. While I am going through the past history of the subject, I would appreciate if everyone connected to the dispute gives their opinion on what should be in the article (or should not be as the case may be), providing diffs where necessary. Thank you. Trusilver 16:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
The question is whether the phrase linking Mangalorean Catholics to Goa and the sentence about "Pinto" being a Portuguese name should stay or be removed. It has been argued that this is a "nationalistic issue", since the Portuguese guy here (me) thinks that this information is relevant and some Indian guys think that it isn't. Please check the previous section. Thank you. Velho ( talk) 17:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
First, just to keep things clear, lets leave all discussion here on this talk page rather than moving it over to the mediation page. The reason for this is simple, it keeps things as easy as they can be and provide a greater ease of understanding for anyone walking into this conflict unawares. Second, the entire dispute really appears to fall under a single issue, with all of the policies and guidelines that surround it. The question is: Is it relevant and necessary to include the information surrounding the origins of Pinto as well as that of Mangalorean Catholics in the context that is laid down in the Wikipedia Manual of Style. As it stands, there must be extraordinary reasons to include peripheral information into an article that is not directly related to the subject. Does the exclusion of this information in any way damage the reader's comprehension of the article? Does the exclusion of this information change the context of the article? If the answer to this is no, then the information is not appropriate to the article. Keep in mind also that it is not general practice to include the etymology of a subject's name in their article. My question is this: The addition of the disputed information requires a very compelling reason to add it that goes beyond simple trivia. Does such a compelling reason exist? And if so, can it be properly sources to fall within the verifiability policies? Trusilver 19:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, it is becoming obvious to me that this dispute is over drastically different views as to what is relevant to the article. Wikipedia policies and past practice dictate pretty well what is appropriate for an article and what is not. However, I feel that this debate has reached an impasse and needs some other views as to how to move forward. I propose that I start an RFC for this article in the hopes that we can get a clearer idea of community consensus concerning this dispute. Do I have an agreement from both of you that the community decision given by an RFC will reflect the appropriate course of action and act accordingly? Trusilver 21:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the deletions just made by RedPen are very coherent with what he has been defending on this talk page. But in fact the section lost relevant true informations. It is quite poorer now. In my view, RedPen has just presented a reductio ad absurdum of his arguments. I suggest that these deletions are reverted and that the tag " citation needed" is inserted wherever necessary. Velho ( talk) 17:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Applying your criteria to the generality of Wikipedia articles would erase most of the information. No policy can be applied without reasonableness and common sense (see Wikipedia:Use common sense). Velho ( talk) 17:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
That does not impair the need for WP-common sense. Velho ( talk) 18:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Could we provide some information on the claim that it is her performance in Slumdog Millionaire that she is "best known for"? This phrase clearly looks as WP:SYN. Velho ( talk) 19:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
( Goregaon), and Frederick Pinto, a senior branch manager at the Bank of Baroda. Her family hails from the Mangalorean Catholic community, a Christian community in Mumbai
Q: Although born and brought up in Mumbai, are you proud to call yourself a Mangalorean?
A: Yeah, I’m proud myself to be an Indian first and a Mangalorean ‘cause my parents are from Mangalore. My dad is from Neerude and my mom is from Derabail. I had been there few times and I love Mangalore. Kensplanet ( talk) 04:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Well done, Kensplanet! That's relevant!
Velho (
talk) 04:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC) One question: isn't it redundant to say "Catholic... Christian"?
Velho (
talk)
04:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I thought there should be some justification like that. I agree that the sentence stays as it is, even if we should think about how Wikipedia users understand the word "Catholic", more than about how fellow citizens of the portrayed person do it. Velho ( talk) 17:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that the entire "Personal Life" section under this article seems to have been intentionally deleted twice now with no apparent explanation or valid reason. Whether you agree with it or not, the deletion of entire sections, especially when they are cited or linked to references, is construed as vandalism (see Wikipedia_vandalism#Types_of_vandalism). If you feel that content is not accurate or would like to make significant changes to an article, please discuss here first. Thank you. aNubiSIII ( T / C) 07:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
We have a citation that is quoted in Audrey Magazine. While we can verify that Audrey published the quote, the question remains: is Audrey a reliable source? It appears perilously close to being a gossip mag does not appear in news.google searches. I had never heard of the magazine and do not know if it has a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. What is the general perception? -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
You appear not to understand our reliable source guideline at all. Most blogs can NEVER be used as sources - if a blog quotes a reliable source, we verify that it is in the reliable source and cite the reliable source. Just because something says it is an interview with the subject of the article does not mean that we can include it, the SOURCE of the interview is important. Stuff that appears only in non-reliable sources should not be used in articles, especially those about living people.
What evidence do we have that Audrey meets Wikipedia's guideline of "having a reputation for fact checking and accuracy"? If the community consensus is that, "Yes, Audrey has a reputation at least as accurate as People" I am fine with using that as a source. If the consensus is "Audrey is no more accurate than Weekly World News / National Enquirer / gossip / scandal rags" than any material sourced to Audrey needs to be removed. We need to be able to trust that the source is accurately portraying what happened in the interview. -- The Red Pen of Doom 12:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The Good finally found its way! :-) (This is a reference to a previous discussion on this talk page on "the same" subject.) Velho ( talk) 01:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
A vandal (or vandals) using the IPs 71.85.149.136 and 70.58.24.159 repeatedly changed her nationality and place of birth to Mexican and Juarez or Mexico City. We need to keep an eye on that. Enviroboy Talk Cs 23:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I think that Freida Pinto is a Mangalorean Catholic. There are sites stating that info in the Internet. But it isn't necessary to bring here one single site of those because her Mangalorean ancestry is a matter of fact, and her (and her parents) name is typically and exclusively from Mangalorean Catholic origin. She is also of Catholic heritage as the article says. So her Mangalorean Catholic background should be mentioned in the article. Jomifica ( talk) 01:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
REF1. Please read the article properly. The fact that she is a Mangalorean can easily be verified from the interview.
Q: Although born and brought up in Mumbai, are you proud to call yourself a Mangalorean?
A: Yeah, I’m proud myself to be an Indian first and a Mangalorean ‘cause my parents are from Mangalore. My dad is from Neerude and my mom is from Derabail. I had been there few times and I love Mangalore.
Her family hails from the Mangalorean Catholic community. [2] In an interview, Pinto stated that she is "completely pure Indian", but her family is Catholic and some of her ancestors were probably of Portuguese background, which explains the origin of her surname Pinto. [3] However, even if the name Pinto is indeed of Portuguese origin, that does not imply that Freida Pinto has Portuguese ancestors (see Goan Catholics, Mangalorean Catholics, and Portuguese India). Under Portuguese rule, the people got these surnames when they were baptized and the surnames were those of the different clerics who officiated at their initiation. [4] Jomifica ( talk) 12:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
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The debate about her Catholic origins seems to have died down (no relevant comment in over a month) so I have removed the "Neutrality Diputed" tag. If someone objects to this, please give your reasons here and then re-attach the tag {{POV|date=June 2009}} at the header of the article. Manning ( talk) 05:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The second picture of Freida should be replaced or removed. How much of the face of the person to her left behind her does the eye pick up subliminally when looking at Freida? Mine picked up quite a lot and it was all negative. If a person wanted to covertly hurt someone, this 'hidden (not so much) persuader' might add mitigation to a reviewers comments after his research? Lessen a fan's ardor? Really. It's a bad picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.0.196 ( talk) 04:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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Overall the article looks pretty good. —GleekVampire | talk! 13:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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The article was incorrectly assessed under WP:INCINE. She has not done any project for Indian cinema. Acting as an Indian in foreign projects should not be considered as a part of Indian cinema. She is just born and brought up here. Her film career is not based in India. I have taken out the incorrect assessment. - Vivvt ( Talk) 04:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
From the Trishna section: An acclimatization of Thomas Hardy's novel Tess of the d'Urbervilles, the film first premiered... "Acclimatization" is not the right word. I assume that what's meant is "an adaptation". "Acclimatization" has a limited meaning, and it does not mean "adaptation". Another possibility would be "an updating". Omc ( talk) 08:23, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Vensatry, here's what I got. Might be silly but a step further to clear the matter.
Title | Country |
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Slumdog Millionaire | United Kingdom |
You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger | Spain, United States |
Miral | France |
Rise of the Planet of the Apes | United States |
Trishna | United Kingdom, Sweden, India |
Day of the Falcon | Tunisia, France, Italy, Qatar |
Immortals | United States |
Girl Rising | Various |
Desert Dancer | United Kingdom |
Knight of Cups | United States |
Unity | United States |
Blunt Force Trauma | Colombia |
Jungle Book: Origins | United Kingdom |
Thanks. -- 124.107.75.38 ( talk) 19:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Pinto was born on 18 October 1984 in Bombay (now Mumbai),[1] into a family from the Mangalorean Catholic community that originates in the former Portuguese colony of Goa. The sentence in bold seems to be incorrect. Xavier449 ( talk) 20:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Vensatry: I'm not the OP, but not all Mangalorean Catholics are descendants of Goan Catholic immigrants. There were several local converts to Catholicism in the Mangalore region itself (e.g. Padval community, Anglo-Indian Protestants, etc.), who also received Portuguese names at the time of Baptism because of their conversion by Portuguese and Goan priests. They also ended up speaking Konkani as their first language because the local Catholic schools were operated by Goan Catholic missionaries.
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says shes the highest payed actress in bollywood i wouldn't called her a bollywood star just coz shes indian shes has yet to do a bollywood film and most bollywood films are hindu or hindu style shes not so i changed it to "in india" also hollywood is bigger with multi million film productions so clearly she'll earn more money working in places like amercia than actresses in india. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.199.25 ( talk) 23:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
If she is e="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.26.128 ( talk) 21:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to be born on February 30th? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.105.30.45 ( talk) 05:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
pinto?? that sounds latin, being catholic, she's probably portugueses
216.164.63.182 ( talk) 20:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Freida Pinto sounds Jewish. Pinto is a popular Sephardic name. I'll bet her family roots are Jews from Iraq who came to Mumbai for business like many Iraqi Jews in the last couple of hundred years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.100.182.242 ( talk) 02:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure why rumors are part of her bio. If you can't find a public declaration by either party that they are dating should it really be included? I thought this website was about facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WebMachiavelli ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
By the way I removed the rumors in the personal life section. Since the one about her and co-star seem to be refuted by the references it seems especially ridiculous to keep in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WebMachiavelli ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm unsure if the story about her rumoured engagement needs to be in there based on scoops by newspapers which seem to have quotes and photographs provided by "friends".
Shehas a portuguese name! Study the Portuguese Discoveries and you will find out that Goa (an Indian City) was taken by Portugal and there are a lot of building with the Portuguese flag. Check the "Capela de Santa Catarina" (
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/S%C3%A9_de_Santa_Catarina.jpg/180px-S%C3%A9_de_Santa_Catarina.jpg),
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:India_Goa_Portuguese_Villa.jpg in this picture you can see the portuguese architects and Portugal constructed more than 10 huge castels in Goa. It very likely that she own portuguese roots. Even chinese celebrities own portuguese roots! —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.193.66.206 (
talk)
09:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I think the article talks too much about Slumdog. The film has its own article. -- Beardo ( talk) 22:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Corrected to her real website: http://www.freidapinto.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.124.113.165 ( talk) 07:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Removed the following text. Completely irrelevant in a brief about an actor. Rather reflects a certain bent of mind of the contributor. There was more in the referenced interview, and this was a minor point, the contributor seemingly intends to focus on.
Comments on sex scenes (see above) and dating a co-star continue to be added. This is entirely biased speculation and irrelevant to a biographical article. Please edit.
That's not true! Pedro Pinto (sports anchor for CNN International) is NOT her brother.
A user has requested mediation on this issue. A mediator will be here shortly to assist you. The case page for this mediation is located here.
If the surname Pinto is of Portuguese origin, then the name Freida is of English origin. Why don't you even mention that Kensplanet ( talk) 05:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Mangalorean Catholics have
Goan origins;
Pinto is a name of Portuguese origin (just check the articles). I can't understand why you removed this information (I can see only bad reasons). I had written a week ago that Freida Pinto had a probable Portuguese ancestry, given her last name. Then I read what you (Kensplanet) wrote on Portuguese names used by Konkani Catholics and corrected it. But there is no reason to remove true information on a person's ethnical origins and family name (proper names are irrelevant except when they are very unusual or eccentric).
If you are to answer me, please write it here, and not on my talk page. Thank you.
Velho (
talk)
14:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
1. You are (intentionally?) misreading this part of the article. 2. There is no speculation in the article, only two facts: a) Mangalorean Catholics stem from Mangalore and, before that, Goa. b) "Pinto" is a Portuguese name. Please check these articles! 3. Those are plain true assertions with relevant information that cannot be deleted. 4. The article does not claim that FP has Portuguese ancestors. 5. I am sure that you are acting with good faith, but deleting this information is an ethnic informational cleansing, which is bad in itself and is also a PoV. Velho ( talk) 14:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
There's no original research (please read the articles on Mangalorean Catholics and Pinto, I just used them) and that's certainly not the reason why I'm being reverted. Please try to answer my arguments here on the talk page. You're deleting information. I'll soon file a request for mediation, anyway. Velho ( talk) 22:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok,
24.184.166.238 , now you're addressing the real issues. I will not discuss "nationalism", since it works both ways.
The only real question is exactly the one you mention, that is, whether the origin of the name is or is not relevant. I think we have a good sign that it is just by reading the previous sections of this talk page. People do wonder about Freida's name. They wouldn't, if the name were "Andrews". Then, it seems quite appropriate to say the minimum about that name and to have a link to its page.
You also said that "The sentence is misleading and that's what fuels speculation." I can't see how can this be misleading: "The name 'Pinto' is of Portuguese origin, but that does not imply that Freida Pinto has Portuguese ancestors." Anyway, I will fully agree to any change of the sentence that keeps the same information and makes it less misleading to your eyes.
Lastly, you have argued only about the sentence on the name. People have been deleting also the two words linking to
Goa. Nobody has given a reason for that deletion.
Velho (
talk)
02:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
This (
83.206.194.105) is not me!
Velho (
talk)
18:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
And this (
83.206.194.108) isn't me either.
Velho (
talk)
18:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Now the article says "...however she is not of Portuguese ancestry.". This is not only unsourced, it is unsourceable (and absurd:
genealogical places go over one million if you go back 500 years: 220).
Velho (
talk)
02:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
a —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blah1985 ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I have accepted and opened the mediation case for the subject concerning the wording surrounding the name "Pinto" and the circumstances surrounding it. While I am going through the past history of the subject, I would appreciate if everyone connected to the dispute gives their opinion on what should be in the article (or should not be as the case may be), providing diffs where necessary. Thank you. Trusilver 16:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
The question is whether the phrase linking Mangalorean Catholics to Goa and the sentence about "Pinto" being a Portuguese name should stay or be removed. It has been argued that this is a "nationalistic issue", since the Portuguese guy here (me) thinks that this information is relevant and some Indian guys think that it isn't. Please check the previous section. Thank you. Velho ( talk) 17:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
First, just to keep things clear, lets leave all discussion here on this talk page rather than moving it over to the mediation page. The reason for this is simple, it keeps things as easy as they can be and provide a greater ease of understanding for anyone walking into this conflict unawares. Second, the entire dispute really appears to fall under a single issue, with all of the policies and guidelines that surround it. The question is: Is it relevant and necessary to include the information surrounding the origins of Pinto as well as that of Mangalorean Catholics in the context that is laid down in the Wikipedia Manual of Style. As it stands, there must be extraordinary reasons to include peripheral information into an article that is not directly related to the subject. Does the exclusion of this information in any way damage the reader's comprehension of the article? Does the exclusion of this information change the context of the article? If the answer to this is no, then the information is not appropriate to the article. Keep in mind also that it is not general practice to include the etymology of a subject's name in their article. My question is this: The addition of the disputed information requires a very compelling reason to add it that goes beyond simple trivia. Does such a compelling reason exist? And if so, can it be properly sources to fall within the verifiability policies? Trusilver 19:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, it is becoming obvious to me that this dispute is over drastically different views as to what is relevant to the article. Wikipedia policies and past practice dictate pretty well what is appropriate for an article and what is not. However, I feel that this debate has reached an impasse and needs some other views as to how to move forward. I propose that I start an RFC for this article in the hopes that we can get a clearer idea of community consensus concerning this dispute. Do I have an agreement from both of you that the community decision given by an RFC will reflect the appropriate course of action and act accordingly? Trusilver 21:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the deletions just made by RedPen are very coherent with what he has been defending on this talk page. But in fact the section lost relevant true informations. It is quite poorer now. In my view, RedPen has just presented a reductio ad absurdum of his arguments. I suggest that these deletions are reverted and that the tag " citation needed" is inserted wherever necessary. Velho ( talk) 17:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Applying your criteria to the generality of Wikipedia articles would erase most of the information. No policy can be applied without reasonableness and common sense (see Wikipedia:Use common sense). Velho ( talk) 17:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
That does not impair the need for WP-common sense. Velho ( talk) 18:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Could we provide some information on the claim that it is her performance in Slumdog Millionaire that she is "best known for"? This phrase clearly looks as WP:SYN. Velho ( talk) 19:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
( Goregaon), and Frederick Pinto, a senior branch manager at the Bank of Baroda. Her family hails from the Mangalorean Catholic community, a Christian community in Mumbai
Q: Although born and brought up in Mumbai, are you proud to call yourself a Mangalorean?
A: Yeah, I’m proud myself to be an Indian first and a Mangalorean ‘cause my parents are from Mangalore. My dad is from Neerude and my mom is from Derabail. I had been there few times and I love Mangalore. Kensplanet ( talk) 04:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Well done, Kensplanet! That's relevant!
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talk) 04:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC) One question: isn't it redundant to say "Catholic... Christian"?
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Ok, I thought there should be some justification like that. I agree that the sentence stays as it is, even if we should think about how Wikipedia users understand the word "Catholic", more than about how fellow citizens of the portrayed person do it. Velho ( talk) 17:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that the entire "Personal Life" section under this article seems to have been intentionally deleted twice now with no apparent explanation or valid reason. Whether you agree with it or not, the deletion of entire sections, especially when they are cited or linked to references, is construed as vandalism (see Wikipedia_vandalism#Types_of_vandalism). If you feel that content is not accurate or would like to make significant changes to an article, please discuss here first. Thank you. aNubiSIII ( T / C) 07:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
We have a citation that is quoted in Audrey Magazine. While we can verify that Audrey published the quote, the question remains: is Audrey a reliable source? It appears perilously close to being a gossip mag does not appear in news.google searches. I had never heard of the magazine and do not know if it has a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. What is the general perception? -- The Red Pen of Doom 11:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
You appear not to understand our reliable source guideline at all. Most blogs can NEVER be used as sources - if a blog quotes a reliable source, we verify that it is in the reliable source and cite the reliable source. Just because something says it is an interview with the subject of the article does not mean that we can include it, the SOURCE of the interview is important. Stuff that appears only in non-reliable sources should not be used in articles, especially those about living people.
What evidence do we have that Audrey meets Wikipedia's guideline of "having a reputation for fact checking and accuracy"? If the community consensus is that, "Yes, Audrey has a reputation at least as accurate as People" I am fine with using that as a source. If the consensus is "Audrey is no more accurate than Weekly World News / National Enquirer / gossip / scandal rags" than any material sourced to Audrey needs to be removed. We need to be able to trust that the source is accurately portraying what happened in the interview. -- The Red Pen of Doom 12:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The Good finally found its way! :-) (This is a reference to a previous discussion on this talk page on "the same" subject.) Velho ( talk) 01:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
A vandal (or vandals) using the IPs 71.85.149.136 and 70.58.24.159 repeatedly changed her nationality and place of birth to Mexican and Juarez or Mexico City. We need to keep an eye on that. Enviroboy Talk Cs 23:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I think that Freida Pinto is a Mangalorean Catholic. There are sites stating that info in the Internet. But it isn't necessary to bring here one single site of those because her Mangalorean ancestry is a matter of fact, and her (and her parents) name is typically and exclusively from Mangalorean Catholic origin. She is also of Catholic heritage as the article says. So her Mangalorean Catholic background should be mentioned in the article. Jomifica ( talk) 01:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
REF1. Please read the article properly. The fact that she is a Mangalorean can easily be verified from the interview.
Q: Although born and brought up in Mumbai, are you proud to call yourself a Mangalorean?
A: Yeah, I’m proud myself to be an Indian first and a Mangalorean ‘cause my parents are from Mangalore. My dad is from Neerude and my mom is from Derabail. I had been there few times and I love Mangalore.
Her family hails from the Mangalorean Catholic community. [2] In an interview, Pinto stated that she is "completely pure Indian", but her family is Catholic and some of her ancestors were probably of Portuguese background, which explains the origin of her surname Pinto. [3] However, even if the name Pinto is indeed of Portuguese origin, that does not imply that Freida Pinto has Portuguese ancestors (see Goan Catholics, Mangalorean Catholics, and Portuguese India). Under Portuguese rule, the people got these surnames when they were baptized and the surnames were those of the different clerics who officiated at their initiation. [4] Jomifica ( talk) 12:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
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The debate about her Catholic origins seems to have died down (no relevant comment in over a month) so I have removed the "Neutrality Diputed" tag. If someone objects to this, please give your reasons here and then re-attach the tag {{POV|date=June 2009}} at the header of the article. Manning ( talk) 05:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The second picture of Freida should be replaced or removed. How much of the face of the person to her left behind her does the eye pick up subliminally when looking at Freida? Mine picked up quite a lot and it was all negative. If a person wanted to covertly hurt someone, this 'hidden (not so much) persuader' might add mitigation to a reviewers comments after his research? Lessen a fan's ardor? Really. It's a bad picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.0.196 ( talk) 04:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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I will review this Good Article nomination. Nominators please be prepared to answer queries raised in the review. —GleekVampire | talk! 11:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Overall the article looks pretty good. —GleekVampire | talk! 13:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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The article was incorrectly assessed under WP:INCINE. She has not done any project for Indian cinema. Acting as an Indian in foreign projects should not be considered as a part of Indian cinema. She is just born and brought up here. Her film career is not based in India. I have taken out the incorrect assessment. - Vivvt ( Talk) 04:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
From the Trishna section: An acclimatization of Thomas Hardy's novel Tess of the d'Urbervilles, the film first premiered... "Acclimatization" is not the right word. I assume that what's meant is "an adaptation". "Acclimatization" has a limited meaning, and it does not mean "adaptation". Another possibility would be "an updating". Omc ( talk) 08:23, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Vensatry, here's what I got. Might be silly but a step further to clear the matter.
Title | Country |
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Slumdog Millionaire | United Kingdom |
You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger | Spain, United States |
Miral | France |
Rise of the Planet of the Apes | United States |
Trishna | United Kingdom, Sweden, India |
Day of the Falcon | Tunisia, France, Italy, Qatar |
Immortals | United States |
Girl Rising | Various |
Desert Dancer | United Kingdom |
Knight of Cups | United States |
Unity | United States |
Blunt Force Trauma | Colombia |
Jungle Book: Origins | United Kingdom |
Thanks. -- 124.107.75.38 ( talk) 19:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Pinto was born on 18 October 1984 in Bombay (now Mumbai),[1] into a family from the Mangalorean Catholic community that originates in the former Portuguese colony of Goa. The sentence in bold seems to be incorrect. Xavier449 ( talk) 20:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Vensatry: I'm not the OP, but not all Mangalorean Catholics are descendants of Goan Catholic immigrants. There were several local converts to Catholicism in the Mangalore region itself (e.g. Padval community, Anglo-Indian Protestants, etc.), who also received Portuguese names at the time of Baptism because of their conversion by Portuguese and Goan priests. They also ended up speaking Konkani as their first language because the local Catholic schools were operated by Goan Catholic missionaries.