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Well, what a mess! The lists are unneccessary with the identical categories. Welcome aboard, move to the back and hold very tight please! Any tidy-up is extremely welcome. How about some pictures? Nankai 02:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm, the lists still have some useful data not found on the linked pages. Better not biff them just yet. Nankai 02:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Does the Walt Disney World Monorail System count? The resort buses are technically open to only resort guests, but the monorail is open to all, and can be used by the public without going to the parks by either driving (and paying to park) or taking the city bus to Disney. -- NE2 03:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah it is a mess isn't it? I don't know how to do tables. Does anyone else? Nankai 22:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC) I removed the tag, because it said there were no references, which isn't true. Want to tag it again? Nankai 23:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Zero=0, ie a lack, absence, non-existence of fare collection. There are billions of transport services with free travel for students, staff, elderly, children, babies etc. There is possibly no public transport service in existence that isn't free for somebody. I will remove any references to free travel for certain classes of passenger on this page, go and list them on the Free travel pass article if you want. Nankai 22:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the Staten Island Railway free for anyone who doesn't get on or off at St. George Station at the north end? Isn't the Staten Island Ferry also free? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.73.145 ( talk) 22:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is a bit one sided and does not consider the negatives.
Two possible negatives are
1> People often don't value something which is free or very cheap.
2> If it costs $X to make it free, why not spend the $X on extra services, which may well result in higher public transport use.
Someone with the time and inclination to edit this article could start here http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/free.shtml with this background article from a public transport advocacy group.
There are cities that have tried free public transport and decided it didn't work. I was looking for information on these cities when I found my way here.
Cheerful Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msdorney ( talk • contribs) 03:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
The lists could be usefully structured by country (and maybe continent). Schwede66 ( talk) 17:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
This article has several issues. The most pressing one is the extremely long and unwieldy list of "limited zero-fare"; which in many cases means a singular bus line during a limited season. In my opinion, we should axe this list. I don't see any use for it even as a stand-alone list article, althought a Limited zero-fare heading certainly has a place in this article. Anarkitekt ( talk) 17:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Deleted any free public transport service from the list of limited services if it was described as "de-facto", "discontinued" or is actually a free travel pass for certain types of passenger; moved list to new page. Nankai ( talk) 20:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I have given this considerable thought before proposing this title change to Free Public Transport. It is important to keep the title broad, so as not to miss any of the important opportunities that this approach can lead to. And if you go to our on-going series of articles and presentations on exactly this at http://en.wordpress.com/tag/free-public-transport/, with very broad international participation, I hope you will find the level of discourse and knowledgability on the topic of sufficient quality that you will hold off on your reserves for the coming weeks during which we shall be digging a lot deeper into this important policy matter. For now, we are collecting views and statements which are setting out what are considered to be the main weak points of this excellent path-breaking approach. ericbritton 12:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 08:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Free public transport → Zero-fare public transport — because zero-fare is more precise than 'free'; a person with a free travel pass is getting "free public transport" but the transport provider is not getting the operational benefit of zfpt, as ticketing, pass checking or fare collection still takes place. An article called Free public transport encompasses zero-fare transport and free travel passes, therefore the present title is imprecise. Nankai ( talk) 20:08, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Support Seconded. "Zero-fare" is more precise, which makes it a lot easier to understand and to expand on the article. We should keep it as "Zero-fare" at least until the content and structure of the article improves. - Anarkitekt ( talk) 00:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I currently live in Paris and was surprised to find the nearby suburb of Boulogne-Billancourt on this list. The reference takes me to Boulogne-Billancourt's wikipedia article (in French), which does not mention anything about zero-fare transport. As far as I know, there is no such thing as zero-fare transport in Boulogne-Billancourt.
Can anyone confirm that there is (or isn't) zero-fare transport in Boulogne-Billancourt? 132.165.76.2 ( talk) 13:21, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi, here is the text in the French wikipédia that refers to the link: La RATP exploite aussi à Boulogne-Billancourt une ligne de transport interurbain, le SUBB (Service urbain de Boulogne-Billancourt ou Service urbain Val de Seine). En fonctionnement du lundi au samedi et entièrement gratuite, la ligne effectue deux circuits différents : l'un dit « boucle nord » (desservant entre autres l'hôtel de ville, la place Marcel-Sembat et le Parchamp) et l'autre dit « boucle sud » (desservant entre autres l'hôtel de ville, le centre culturel de la Belle Feuille et la patinoire de Boulogne)[20].
so this is not the whole place which is zero-fare but 2 bus lanes and the only local buses lanes as the other one goes further than only Bristol.Phil of Bristol 11:12, 8 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil of Bristol ( talk • contribs)
Just an FYI that I do recall riding on The START Bus in Jackson, Wyoming. Though trips outside Jackson to nearby locations, such as Hoback, Teton Village and Star Valley, cost money, the Town Shuttle, which runs entirely within Jackson, is zero-fare. NHRHS2010 the student pilot ✈ 03:09, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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The tables with the overview of cities contains way too few sources, and even the wikipedia articles of the cities didn't mention public transport in several cases in which I tried. This is unreliable information, it seems.
Captain Basil ( talk) 14:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't know how to add sources in the english wikipedia, but here is the source for tiberias having a free bus line: https://www.themarker.com/dynamo/cars/.premium-1.6900814 אילון אבנרי ( talk) 13:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
The external link "freepublictransports.com Network of groups promoting free public transport" ( http://www.freepublictransports.com/) is inactive.-- Arsenal sin platea ( talk) 07:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Hey, Tacoma Washington is serviced by PierceTransit, which does not have free transit as can be seen on their website here, just the LINK light rail is free so I'm going to remove it if no one objects?
Aurora (User:Horkak) (talk) 22:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
if I reasonably could, I would add Longmont, Colorado Ride Free Fare Program routes 323, 324, 326 and 327 through December 31, 2021. Run by RTD, I believe, using contractor First Transit. Doug Grinbergs ( talk) 01:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Greater Manchester (UK) has several Metroshuttle routes which are free. Should these be in the table? Crookesmoor ( talk) 16:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Why is 'Scotland' listed under 'Town/City'? Should the heading be changed to 'region' or something, or should the various cities operating the transport be used instead? Also, does it even belong on this page? The description only mentions free buses for under-22s, which seems more like some kind of pass rather than free transport (For instance, London (and presumably many other cities) has free buses for under 18s, which isn't mentioned here). CosmicSpirol ( talk) 19:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
include Worcester, MA https://therta.com/ 107.77.223.184 ( talk) 19:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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Well, what a mess! The lists are unneccessary with the identical categories. Welcome aboard, move to the back and hold very tight please! Any tidy-up is extremely welcome. How about some pictures? Nankai 02:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm, the lists still have some useful data not found on the linked pages. Better not biff them just yet. Nankai 02:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Does the Walt Disney World Monorail System count? The resort buses are technically open to only resort guests, but the monorail is open to all, and can be used by the public without going to the parks by either driving (and paying to park) or taking the city bus to Disney. -- NE2 03:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah it is a mess isn't it? I don't know how to do tables. Does anyone else? Nankai 22:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC) I removed the tag, because it said there were no references, which isn't true. Want to tag it again? Nankai 23:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Zero=0, ie a lack, absence, non-existence of fare collection. There are billions of transport services with free travel for students, staff, elderly, children, babies etc. There is possibly no public transport service in existence that isn't free for somebody. I will remove any references to free travel for certain classes of passenger on this page, go and list them on the Free travel pass article if you want. Nankai 22:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the Staten Island Railway free for anyone who doesn't get on or off at St. George Station at the north end? Isn't the Staten Island Ferry also free? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.73.145 ( talk) 22:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is a bit one sided and does not consider the negatives.
Two possible negatives are
1> People often don't value something which is free or very cheap.
2> If it costs $X to make it free, why not spend the $X on extra services, which may well result in higher public transport use.
Someone with the time and inclination to edit this article could start here http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/free.shtml with this background article from a public transport advocacy group.
There are cities that have tried free public transport and decided it didn't work. I was looking for information on these cities when I found my way here.
Cheerful Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msdorney ( talk • contribs) 03:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
The lists could be usefully structured by country (and maybe continent). Schwede66 ( talk) 17:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
This article has several issues. The most pressing one is the extremely long and unwieldy list of "limited zero-fare"; which in many cases means a singular bus line during a limited season. In my opinion, we should axe this list. I don't see any use for it even as a stand-alone list article, althought a Limited zero-fare heading certainly has a place in this article. Anarkitekt ( talk) 17:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Deleted any free public transport service from the list of limited services if it was described as "de-facto", "discontinued" or is actually a free travel pass for certain types of passenger; moved list to new page. Nankai ( talk) 20:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I have given this considerable thought before proposing this title change to Free Public Transport. It is important to keep the title broad, so as not to miss any of the important opportunities that this approach can lead to. And if you go to our on-going series of articles and presentations on exactly this at http://en.wordpress.com/tag/free-public-transport/, with very broad international participation, I hope you will find the level of discourse and knowledgability on the topic of sufficient quality that you will hold off on your reserves for the coming weeks during which we shall be digging a lot deeper into this important policy matter. For now, we are collecting views and statements which are setting out what are considered to be the main weak points of this excellent path-breaking approach. ericbritton 12:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 08:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Free public transport → Zero-fare public transport — because zero-fare is more precise than 'free'; a person with a free travel pass is getting "free public transport" but the transport provider is not getting the operational benefit of zfpt, as ticketing, pass checking or fare collection still takes place. An article called Free public transport encompasses zero-fare transport and free travel passes, therefore the present title is imprecise. Nankai ( talk) 20:08, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Support Seconded. "Zero-fare" is more precise, which makes it a lot easier to understand and to expand on the article. We should keep it as "Zero-fare" at least until the content and structure of the article improves. - Anarkitekt ( talk) 00:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I currently live in Paris and was surprised to find the nearby suburb of Boulogne-Billancourt on this list. The reference takes me to Boulogne-Billancourt's wikipedia article (in French), which does not mention anything about zero-fare transport. As far as I know, there is no such thing as zero-fare transport in Boulogne-Billancourt.
Can anyone confirm that there is (or isn't) zero-fare transport in Boulogne-Billancourt? 132.165.76.2 ( talk) 13:21, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi, here is the text in the French wikipédia that refers to the link: La RATP exploite aussi à Boulogne-Billancourt une ligne de transport interurbain, le SUBB (Service urbain de Boulogne-Billancourt ou Service urbain Val de Seine). En fonctionnement du lundi au samedi et entièrement gratuite, la ligne effectue deux circuits différents : l'un dit « boucle nord » (desservant entre autres l'hôtel de ville, la place Marcel-Sembat et le Parchamp) et l'autre dit « boucle sud » (desservant entre autres l'hôtel de ville, le centre culturel de la Belle Feuille et la patinoire de Boulogne)[20].
so this is not the whole place which is zero-fare but 2 bus lanes and the only local buses lanes as the other one goes further than only Bristol.Phil of Bristol 11:12, 8 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil of Bristol ( talk • contribs)
Just an FYI that I do recall riding on The START Bus in Jackson, Wyoming. Though trips outside Jackson to nearby locations, such as Hoback, Teton Village and Star Valley, cost money, the Town Shuttle, which runs entirely within Jackson, is zero-fare. NHRHS2010 the student pilot ✈ 03:09, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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The tables with the overview of cities contains way too few sources, and even the wikipedia articles of the cities didn't mention public transport in several cases in which I tried. This is unreliable information, it seems.
Captain Basil ( talk) 14:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't know how to add sources in the english wikipedia, but here is the source for tiberias having a free bus line: https://www.themarker.com/dynamo/cars/.premium-1.6900814 אילון אבנרי ( talk) 13:31, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
The external link "freepublictransports.com Network of groups promoting free public transport" ( http://www.freepublictransports.com/) is inactive.-- Arsenal sin platea ( talk) 07:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Hey, Tacoma Washington is serviced by PierceTransit, which does not have free transit as can be seen on their website here, just the LINK light rail is free so I'm going to remove it if no one objects?
Aurora (User:Horkak) (talk) 22:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
if I reasonably could, I would add Longmont, Colorado Ride Free Fare Program routes 323, 324, 326 and 327 through December 31, 2021. Run by RTD, I believe, using contractor First Transit. Doug Grinbergs ( talk) 01:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Greater Manchester (UK) has several Metroshuttle routes which are free. Should these be in the table? Crookesmoor ( talk) 16:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Why is 'Scotland' listed under 'Town/City'? Should the heading be changed to 'region' or something, or should the various cities operating the transport be used instead? Also, does it even belong on this page? The description only mentions free buses for under-22s, which seems more like some kind of pass rather than free transport (For instance, London (and presumably many other cities) has free buses for under 18s, which isn't mentioned here). CosmicSpirol ( talk) 19:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
include Worcester, MA https://therta.com/ 107.77.223.184 ( talk) 19:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)