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Does anyone know what the stance of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster is regarding homosexuality? Is it similar to the Westboro Baptist Church, which is led by Fred Phelps? - ( Aidan Work 06:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC))
In earlier days the Free Presbyterian Church ran a Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign. However I am unaware of any similarity in their stance to that of Westboro Baptist Church
Virtually no other Christian groups share the approach of the Westboro Baptist Church. You'll never find any other church cooperating with it, for example. But yes, like all evangelical groups, the Free Presbyterian Church would be against homosexuality. It would consider the matter part of the Bible's general teaching on sexuality and might preach on it from time to time, but wouldn't go around with inflammatory signs saying God hates homosexuals. Pete505
Has the FPC now published a Book of Church Order? If so, the article needs a reference to the URL where the BCO can be found. Emote 20:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I personally know of quite a few cases of unofficial excommunications (I think the denomination labels them depositions), but the only online source I know of is FPCWatch. The site seems to focus mainly on the child sex scandal from several years ago, but there are also articles describing some cases of involuntary removal without a typical presbyterian judicial process (see Through the Photographer's Lens and Divide and Conquer). -- Emote 17:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Where do these bigoted boors stand on the age of the earth and evolution ect? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.101.222.28 ( talk) 17:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
An honorary doctorate is a real doctorate and, as such, qualifies the recipient to assume the title of "Dr." Therefore it is not incorrect to refer to Ian Paisley as "Dr. Paisley."— Emote Talk Page 17:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Wolfpelt is entirely incapable of finding this talk page, so he will probably never see what you've written here. My experience with people who don't understand how Wikipedia works is that you just patiently wait till they go away. They always disappear eventually.— Emote Talk Page 15:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Wolfpelt is quite capable of finding this page, Emote, but evidently you hadn't the good grace to respond to my message on your talk page many weeks ago. As I said on Olly's talk page, you and he are both FPs therefore hardly neutral contributors to this "dispute." I also said that since Van Morrison also possesses an honorary doctorate, you won't object to my editing his page accordingly, will you? Since Rev. is correct can we settle for Rev. Paisley? BTW, isn't it true that even his ordination is disputed? Perhaps simply Mr. or Ian would suffice. — Wolfpelt Talk Page 22:50, 18 March 2008
Well, how can I ever apologize for accusing Emote of being an FP? In my haste I assumed that because of his Calvinist interest he must be a Presbyterian of some description, hence far less neutral than I, who is Church of Ireland. I can scarcely believe that anyone who's lived in the West for at least two decades cannot know who Van Morrison is, but such is life. For the record (pardon my pun) he's one of the most influential songwriters/recording artists of the past four decades, as Emote would have known had he looked up the entry here on Wikipedia. If both of you care for accuracy then you'll agree that the use of a bogus doctorate diminishes the stature of a genuine one. Ian Paisley's is honorary and its use in an encyclopedia compromises that encyclopedia's striving for accuracy. Moreover, if you care to go to
Ian Paisley's page, you'll read only a brief reference to his "doctorate." At all times he's referred to as respectively "Ian Paisley" or just plain "Paisley." I quote that entry: "Paisley's use of the title 'Dr' derived initially from a 1954 qualification from the American Pioneer Theological Seminary in in Rockville, Illinois. Later this was somewhat legitimized by an honorary Doctor of Divinity degree awarded by Bob Jones University, a Christian college in Greenville, South Carolina." I'm sure you'll both concur that "somewhat legitimized" is not the same as "legitimized." So if the main Wiki entry on the man drops the "Dr." what rationale can you have for including it on the FRC page? I'd have thought consistency to be an ideal Wikipedia would try to achieve. However, Olly's suggestion that we compromise by alternating "Rev." with "Dr." is one that's satisfactory to me. Lastly, Emote, you might consider your own insulting attitudes towards me before using the terms "obnoxious" and "BS." I have always remained civil, as I do now. And for your information, I spend at least a half hour each day proofreading and editing random Wikipedia entries. I consider that a "useful way to contribute," don't you? —
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Proposition I, Olly, will personally edit the article, alternating all references to Ian Paisley between Rev. and Dr.. I will start the alterating with Rev. as it is a church encyclopedic entry. (Random choice). This will create a balance between both titles. Also I would like both Emote and Wolfpelt to use the handshake template on each others talk page - {{User:Bam123456789/Templates/WikiLove/WikiHandshake}} - It's a handshake template. If you both use it, then your even and we never have to dicuss this again. Respond to the handshake, by using this template - {{User:Bam123456789/Templates/WikiLove/WikiReturnHandshake}} That makes it all fair. This is a symbol of wiki unity - corny I know, but still, it is a symbolic end to this debate. Thank you. Olly150 01:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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Emote - Sounds good.— Emote Talk Page 15:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Wolfpelt - Sure, let's do it. Thanks, Olly. — Wolfpelt Talk Page 10:25, 20 March 2008
Anyone tell me why the christian info box on this page doesnt have a section for the website which is supposed to be in it? Eleutherius ( talk) 09:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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Does anyone know what the stance of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster is regarding homosexuality? Is it similar to the Westboro Baptist Church, which is led by Fred Phelps? - ( Aidan Work 06:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC))
In earlier days the Free Presbyterian Church ran a Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign. However I am unaware of any similarity in their stance to that of Westboro Baptist Church
Virtually no other Christian groups share the approach of the Westboro Baptist Church. You'll never find any other church cooperating with it, for example. But yes, like all evangelical groups, the Free Presbyterian Church would be against homosexuality. It would consider the matter part of the Bible's general teaching on sexuality and might preach on it from time to time, but wouldn't go around with inflammatory signs saying God hates homosexuals. Pete505
Has the FPC now published a Book of Church Order? If so, the article needs a reference to the URL where the BCO can be found. Emote 20:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I personally know of quite a few cases of unofficial excommunications (I think the denomination labels them depositions), but the only online source I know of is FPCWatch. The site seems to focus mainly on the child sex scandal from several years ago, but there are also articles describing some cases of involuntary removal without a typical presbyterian judicial process (see Through the Photographer's Lens and Divide and Conquer). -- Emote 17:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Where do these bigoted boors stand on the age of the earth and evolution ect? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.101.222.28 ( talk) 17:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
An honorary doctorate is a real doctorate and, as such, qualifies the recipient to assume the title of "Dr." Therefore it is not incorrect to refer to Ian Paisley as "Dr. Paisley."— Emote Talk Page 17:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Wolfpelt is entirely incapable of finding this talk page, so he will probably never see what you've written here. My experience with people who don't understand how Wikipedia works is that you just patiently wait till they go away. They always disappear eventually.— Emote Talk Page 15:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Wolfpelt is quite capable of finding this page, Emote, but evidently you hadn't the good grace to respond to my message on your talk page many weeks ago. As I said on Olly's talk page, you and he are both FPs therefore hardly neutral contributors to this "dispute." I also said that since Van Morrison also possesses an honorary doctorate, you won't object to my editing his page accordingly, will you? Since Rev. is correct can we settle for Rev. Paisley? BTW, isn't it true that even his ordination is disputed? Perhaps simply Mr. or Ian would suffice. — Wolfpelt Talk Page 22:50, 18 March 2008
Well, how can I ever apologize for accusing Emote of being an FP? In my haste I assumed that because of his Calvinist interest he must be a Presbyterian of some description, hence far less neutral than I, who is Church of Ireland. I can scarcely believe that anyone who's lived in the West for at least two decades cannot know who Van Morrison is, but such is life. For the record (pardon my pun) he's one of the most influential songwriters/recording artists of the past four decades, as Emote would have known had he looked up the entry here on Wikipedia. If both of you care for accuracy then you'll agree that the use of a bogus doctorate diminishes the stature of a genuine one. Ian Paisley's is honorary and its use in an encyclopedia compromises that encyclopedia's striving for accuracy. Moreover, if you care to go to
Ian Paisley's page, you'll read only a brief reference to his "doctorate." At all times he's referred to as respectively "Ian Paisley" or just plain "Paisley." I quote that entry: "Paisley's use of the title 'Dr' derived initially from a 1954 qualification from the American Pioneer Theological Seminary in in Rockville, Illinois. Later this was somewhat legitimized by an honorary Doctor of Divinity degree awarded by Bob Jones University, a Christian college in Greenville, South Carolina." I'm sure you'll both concur that "somewhat legitimized" is not the same as "legitimized." So if the main Wiki entry on the man drops the "Dr." what rationale can you have for including it on the FRC page? I'd have thought consistency to be an ideal Wikipedia would try to achieve. However, Olly's suggestion that we compromise by alternating "Rev." with "Dr." is one that's satisfactory to me. Lastly, Emote, you might consider your own insulting attitudes towards me before using the terms "obnoxious" and "BS." I have always remained civil, as I do now. And for your information, I spend at least a half hour each day proofreading and editing random Wikipedia entries. I consider that a "useful way to contribute," don't you? —
Wolfpelt
Talk Page 16:07, 19 March 2008
Proposition I, Olly, will personally edit the article, alternating all references to Ian Paisley between Rev. and Dr.. I will start the alterating with Rev. as it is a church encyclopedic entry. (Random choice). This will create a balance between both titles. Also I would like both Emote and Wolfpelt to use the handshake template on each others talk page - {{User:Bam123456789/Templates/WikiLove/WikiHandshake}} - It's a handshake template. If you both use it, then your even and we never have to dicuss this again. Respond to the handshake, by using this template - {{User:Bam123456789/Templates/WikiLove/WikiReturnHandshake}} That makes it all fair. This is a symbol of wiki unity - corny I know, but still, it is a symbolic end to this debate. Thank you. Olly150 01:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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Emote - Sounds good.— Emote Talk Page 15:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Wolfpelt - Sure, let's do it. Thanks, Olly. — Wolfpelt Talk Page 10:25, 20 March 2008
Anyone tell me why the christian info box on this page doesnt have a section for the website which is supposed to be in it? Eleutherius ( talk) 09:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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