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In the book "The Trumps: Three Generations That Built an Empire" [1] By Gwenda Blair, the spelling was changed to Trump in the 1640's. Then Blair was interviewed in an online article for Deutsche Welle (blog?) [2] by Michael Knigge where the writer misquotes Blair and misspells or inexplicably uses the archaic spelling Drumpf at every chance. Deutsche Welle, unreliable. Another Washington Post article has been cited [3] where the writer John Kelly uses Drumpf every chance, without explanation or sources cited to show where he got the spelling or why he's using it for this article. Unreliable. We have a source [4] showing that Fredericks fathers name was Trump. Online articles and journalists who don't cite their sources just don't seem to be reliable and just show their bias when using alternate spelling for no reason. 1305cj ( talk) 20:25, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I have requested semi-protected (temp) status until the editing battles about Trumpf vs Drumpf dies down. Apriestofgix ( talk) 21:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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Please change "Early Life" to include the following, because it corroborates other information in the article, and adds significant new information.
On March 31, 1896, Trump filed an application for a United States Passport "to go abroad temporarily" and return "within a year's time." The signed, sworn application states:
Fredric5765 ( talk) 09:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hello! I would like to request this section to be removed " ...and established a restaurant known as the "Poodle Dog", which was identical in name and format to another restaurant in San Francisco"
I would like it removed because "The Poodle Dog" restaurant that exists in Washington State was opened in 1933 by Mac Manza and Jimmy Zarelli. I went to the pages/sources that were sited in the Frederick Trump page. While I saw articles stating Frederick Trump opened a "late night restaurant" in Seattle, I saw no evidence of a name of the Trump's Restaurant. I am the managing director of the City of Fife, WA History Museum. I have newspaper articles (The News Tribute March 23, 1980 in which the founders of The Poodle Dog Restaurant in Fife are interviewed.
I have never requested an edit before! Thank you so much for your time and consideration in this matter. Julie Watts, managing director, Fife History Museum 2820 54th Ave. E, Fife, WA 98424. 253-896-4710
131.191.38.135 ( talk) 23:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
There is no purpose for a section on whether this man changed his name or not, especially one that runs to around the same length of his career. For a start, it is not made clear why this is in anyway important to understanding this man; such a hoo-ha was only brought up to lampoon the nativist leanings of a grandson he never lived to meet. In addition, the weight is on the name having been changed before this man ever lived, as documented by historians and journalists who made an effort to check church records. Thus, the idea of him having changed his surname is WP:FRINGE and the coverage is undue. The analysis of the claim can be discussed on the John Oliver segment page, of which the section is practically identical.
Look how the fringe theories on William Shakespeare (which have been subject of MUCH more debate and academic purpose) take up so little of the Featured-class article, and the fringe theories of Columbus' birthplace take up two lines in his article and a link to another article. If that is how much should be given to serious questions that have been studied for hundreds of years, why is so much space given to an ephemeral meme created last week on a cable show? '''tAD''' ( talk) 18:47, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
As stated in current article: "U.S. immigration records list his name as "Friedrich Trumpf". Here 's a scan:
Google the name and it will give a lot of results, while Drumpf doesn't.
Can I suggest that maybe Trumpf was his real name? 1009 ( talk) 22:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
References
User:VanEman please stop editing the Early Life section to include Trumpf. There is no sourcing for your changes, and we already have a healthy discussion here on the talk page that has resulted in the use of Trump as the birthname. Thanks! Apriestofgix ( talk) 00:32, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
KBnaotwtleldee
03:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)This has nothing to do with the whole "Drumpf" nonsense, but I added that at birth his given name was Friedrich. This is supported by multiple online sources that cite the Blair biography. 71.37.40.158 ( talk)
60 Wall Street was the location Von Papen used to plan the Black Tom sabotage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.111.120.99 ( talk) 15:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Could someone please imbed/link Elizabeth Christ Trump to this article? thank you 96.251.123.121 ( talk) 21:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
I cliked on the sourcelink, I don't see how source #2 is reliable, at familysearch.org. I've never used the website before, but how reliable is that? I mean, is it self-reported by the families, themselves? And where's the documentation to back it up? That's why I ask how reliable it is.
KBnaotwtleldee
03:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
KBnaotwtleldee
03:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
KBnaotwtleldee
03:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
I am not seeing much claim to notability here. Almost all of the coverage is based on his relationship to Donald Trump. I think a strong argument could be made that there is no real encyclopedic notability independent of his legitimately famous grandson. IMHO it boils down to this question; would we have an article about this man if Donald Trump had never been born? I think not. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 19:34, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
And I'm accused of taking things out of context.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 23:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Would it make sense to propose a merge with Donald_Trump_(Last_Week_Tonight)? @ Muboshgu: -- Potguru ( talk) 21:46, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
In the book "The Trumps: Three Generations That Built an Empire" [1] By Gwenda Blair, the spelling was changed to Trump in the 1640's. Then Blair was interviewed in an online article for Deutsche Welle (blog?) [2] by Michael Knigge where the writer misquotes Blair and misspells or inexplicably uses the archaic spelling Drumpf at every chance. Deutsche Welle, unreliable. Another Washington Post article has been cited [3] where the writer John Kelly uses Drumpf every chance, without explanation or sources cited to show where he got the spelling or why he's using it for this article. Unreliable. We have a source [4] showing that Fredericks fathers name was Trump. Online articles and journalists who don't cite their sources just don't seem to be reliable and just show their bias when using alternate spelling for no reason. 1305cj ( talk) 20:25, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I have requested semi-protected (temp) status until the editing battles about Trumpf vs Drumpf dies down. Apriestofgix ( talk) 21:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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Frederick Trump has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change "Early Life" to include the following, because it corroborates other information in the article, and adds significant new information.
On March 31, 1896, Trump filed an application for a United States Passport "to go abroad temporarily" and return "within a year's time." The signed, sworn application states:
Fredric5765 ( talk) 09:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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Frederick Trump has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hello! I would like to request this section to be removed " ...and established a restaurant known as the "Poodle Dog", which was identical in name and format to another restaurant in San Francisco"
I would like it removed because "The Poodle Dog" restaurant that exists in Washington State was opened in 1933 by Mac Manza and Jimmy Zarelli. I went to the pages/sources that were sited in the Frederick Trump page. While I saw articles stating Frederick Trump opened a "late night restaurant" in Seattle, I saw no evidence of a name of the Trump's Restaurant. I am the managing director of the City of Fife, WA History Museum. I have newspaper articles (The News Tribute March 23, 1980 in which the founders of The Poodle Dog Restaurant in Fife are interviewed.
I have never requested an edit before! Thank you so much for your time and consideration in this matter. Julie Watts, managing director, Fife History Museum 2820 54th Ave. E, Fife, WA 98424. 253-896-4710
131.191.38.135 ( talk) 23:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
There is no purpose for a section on whether this man changed his name or not, especially one that runs to around the same length of his career. For a start, it is not made clear why this is in anyway important to understanding this man; such a hoo-ha was only brought up to lampoon the nativist leanings of a grandson he never lived to meet. In addition, the weight is on the name having been changed before this man ever lived, as documented by historians and journalists who made an effort to check church records. Thus, the idea of him having changed his surname is WP:FRINGE and the coverage is undue. The analysis of the claim can be discussed on the John Oliver segment page, of which the section is practically identical.
Look how the fringe theories on William Shakespeare (which have been subject of MUCH more debate and academic purpose) take up so little of the Featured-class article, and the fringe theories of Columbus' birthplace take up two lines in his article and a link to another article. If that is how much should be given to serious questions that have been studied for hundreds of years, why is so much space given to an ephemeral meme created last week on a cable show? '''tAD''' ( talk) 18:47, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
As stated in current article: "U.S. immigration records list his name as "Friedrich Trumpf". Here 's a scan:
Google the name and it will give a lot of results, while Drumpf doesn't.
Can I suggest that maybe Trumpf was his real name? 1009 ( talk) 22:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
References
User:VanEman please stop editing the Early Life section to include Trumpf. There is no sourcing for your changes, and we already have a healthy discussion here on the talk page that has resulted in the use of Trump as the birthname. Thanks! Apriestofgix ( talk) 00:32, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
KBnaotwtleldee
03:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)This has nothing to do with the whole "Drumpf" nonsense, but I added that at birth his given name was Friedrich. This is supported by multiple online sources that cite the Blair biography. 71.37.40.158 ( talk)
60 Wall Street was the location Von Papen used to plan the Black Tom sabotage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.111.120.99 ( talk) 15:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Could someone please imbed/link Elizabeth Christ Trump to this article? thank you 96.251.123.121 ( talk) 21:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
I cliked on the sourcelink, I don't see how source #2 is reliable, at familysearch.org. I've never used the website before, but how reliable is that? I mean, is it self-reported by the families, themselves? And where's the documentation to back it up? That's why I ask how reliable it is.
KBnaotwtleldee
03:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
KBnaotwtleldee
03:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
KBnaotwtleldee
03:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
I am not seeing much claim to notability here. Almost all of the coverage is based on his relationship to Donald Trump. I think a strong argument could be made that there is no real encyclopedic notability independent of his legitimately famous grandson. IMHO it boils down to this question; would we have an article about this man if Donald Trump had never been born? I think not. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 19:34, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
And I'm accused of taking things out of context.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 23:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Would it make sense to propose a merge with Donald_Trump_(Last_Week_Tonight)? @ Muboshgu: -- Potguru ( talk) 21:46, 11 March 2016 (UTC)