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Material added by Quentimastis about this individual is inappropriate. This is a private person and there is no reason to publish information about his family and personal life. Numerous aspects of this item are also incorrect and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.231.249.141 ( talk • contribs) 21:20, 28 August 2006 UTC
Wholesale deletions about a political appointee who has thrust himself forward into the political debates of the day are not appropriate. Frederick H. Fleitz is no longer a "private person," and the fact that his actions are discussed in numerous newspaper articles and blogs indicates that whatever role he has played in the Plame Affair and debate over Iraq is of general interest. It's also ludicrous to impugn neutral recountings of allegations as "biased." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quentinmatsys ( talk • contribs)
Even if the facts are correct, you must give sources according to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Since you did not do this, I removed the disputed material again. Han-Kwang 07:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Numerous aspects of the statements by Quentinmatsys are inaccurate. Fleitz is a private individual. He has been a Congressional staffer for just a few months, arguably not a political appointee. Before that he was a civil servant with the Federal Government and never served in a Schedule C post. There has never been a press item on allegations of Fleitz's involvement in the Plame affair, only leftwing blog allegations. These rumors are without foundation, which is why the press never published them. The allegation that Fleitz's work at State had something to do with Plame is a new and false allegation. What is Quentinmatsys' source for this? Moreover, why Quentinmatsys insists on publishing personal information about this individual's family is hard to fathom. First of all, most of this information is incorrect. More importantly, however, these people deserve their privacy.
The Wikipedia editors are to be commended for acting to enforcing the Wikipedia rules on Living Persons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.155.135 ( talk • contribs) 30 Aug 2006
The changes to the Fleitz article cite fairly biased and partisan sources, Dafna linzer and Doug Jehl, both of whom are well known for their hostility toward the Bush Administration and Fleitz's former boss, John Bolton.
While I did not remove this information, I have added additional material to make this a balanced entry.
Your edits removed all but one of my sources but kept the biased NYT and WP sources. You also removed references to the e-mails Fleitz produced that refuted claims that Bolton retaliated against a State Department employee. This is hardly "adding balance" to the story. Either this stuff is added or the biased material and account you added should come out.
Moreover, if this is an encyclopedia, why are you trolling for dirt on this guy?
Your changes are OK. Thank you for the work you put into this.
Citing sources such as the Washington Post shows the leftist tilt of the article. To be fair, pretty much all of Wikipedia adheres faithfully to Left Wing ideology, but this is a particularly bad article. I won't edit it because only leftists are able to edit Wikipedia without being called vandals, but the article remains quite biased and unfair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.216.213 ( talk) 20:15, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
This is part one of an update to this item which will include research about this individual recently published in three books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeke1999 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I made a substantial edit where I removed a bunch of poorly sourced text, and added RS text. All of these changes were reverted. [1] The changes should be restored immediately. The only opposition in the edit summary were to part of my changes (the simple description that Fleitz run an anti-muslim far-right conspiracy organization). That text should be restored as well, but if that text is the only disputed part of my edit, then all the other text should be restored and the discussion should center on this one part of the content. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 01:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Can the lead note include a brief description of the think tank that he is CEO and President of (the bolded text): "Fleitz... has been the President and CEO of the Center for Security Policy, a far-right, anti-Muslim think tank." Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 14:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
intent is to persuade readers that the BLP subject is a terrible person right out of the gate" is completely out of line, especially given that as far as I can tell you don't disagree with the accuracy, applicability, or broad usage of the description. -- Aquillion ( talk) 19:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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Material added by Quentimastis about this individual is inappropriate. This is a private person and there is no reason to publish information about his family and personal life. Numerous aspects of this item are also incorrect and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.231.249.141 ( talk • contribs) 21:20, 28 August 2006 UTC
Wholesale deletions about a political appointee who has thrust himself forward into the political debates of the day are not appropriate. Frederick H. Fleitz is no longer a "private person," and the fact that his actions are discussed in numerous newspaper articles and blogs indicates that whatever role he has played in the Plame Affair and debate over Iraq is of general interest. It's also ludicrous to impugn neutral recountings of allegations as "biased." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quentinmatsys ( talk • contribs)
Even if the facts are correct, you must give sources according to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Since you did not do this, I removed the disputed material again. Han-Kwang 07:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Numerous aspects of the statements by Quentinmatsys are inaccurate. Fleitz is a private individual. He has been a Congressional staffer for just a few months, arguably not a political appointee. Before that he was a civil servant with the Federal Government and never served in a Schedule C post. There has never been a press item on allegations of Fleitz's involvement in the Plame affair, only leftwing blog allegations. These rumors are without foundation, which is why the press never published them. The allegation that Fleitz's work at State had something to do with Plame is a new and false allegation. What is Quentinmatsys' source for this? Moreover, why Quentinmatsys insists on publishing personal information about this individual's family is hard to fathom. First of all, most of this information is incorrect. More importantly, however, these people deserve their privacy.
The Wikipedia editors are to be commended for acting to enforcing the Wikipedia rules on Living Persons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.155.135 ( talk • contribs) 30 Aug 2006
The changes to the Fleitz article cite fairly biased and partisan sources, Dafna linzer and Doug Jehl, both of whom are well known for their hostility toward the Bush Administration and Fleitz's former boss, John Bolton.
While I did not remove this information, I have added additional material to make this a balanced entry.
Your edits removed all but one of my sources but kept the biased NYT and WP sources. You also removed references to the e-mails Fleitz produced that refuted claims that Bolton retaliated against a State Department employee. This is hardly "adding balance" to the story. Either this stuff is added or the biased material and account you added should come out.
Moreover, if this is an encyclopedia, why are you trolling for dirt on this guy?
Your changes are OK. Thank you for the work you put into this.
Citing sources such as the Washington Post shows the leftist tilt of the article. To be fair, pretty much all of Wikipedia adheres faithfully to Left Wing ideology, but this is a particularly bad article. I won't edit it because only leftists are able to edit Wikipedia without being called vandals, but the article remains quite biased and unfair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.216.213 ( talk) 20:15, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
This is part one of an update to this item which will include research about this individual recently published in three books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeke1999 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I made a substantial edit where I removed a bunch of poorly sourced text, and added RS text. All of these changes were reverted. [1] The changes should be restored immediately. The only opposition in the edit summary were to part of my changes (the simple description that Fleitz run an anti-muslim far-right conspiracy organization). That text should be restored as well, but if that text is the only disputed part of my edit, then all the other text should be restored and the discussion should center on this one part of the content. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 01:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Can the lead note include a brief description of the think tank that he is CEO and President of (the bolded text): "Fleitz... has been the President and CEO of the Center for Security Policy, a far-right, anti-Muslim think tank." Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 14:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
intent is to persuade readers that the BLP subject is a terrible person right out of the gate" is completely out of line, especially given that as far as I can tell you don't disagree with the accuracy, applicability, or broad usage of the description. -- Aquillion ( talk) 19:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)