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1) The icons have been added to this and other pages for a number of reasons. Two that I can quickly think of are:
2) "Icons should not be added only because they look good, because aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder: one reader's harmless decoration may be another reader's distraction" - Not applicable. They are not there for decoration; they are there to convey information in a more efficient manner than text alone would convey the information.
3) "Icons may be purely decorative in the technical sense that they convey no additional useful information and nothing happens when you click on them; but purely decorative icons should still have a useful purpose in providing visual cues or layout." - These icons "have a useful purpose in providing visual cues".
4) "Avoid adding icons that provide neither additional useful information nor visual cues or layout that aid the reader." - Not applicable. These icons provide "additional useful information".
5) "Icons should serve an encyclopaedic purpose other than decoration." - They do. Refer to 1) and 3) above.
In summary, I fail to see how "this particular section is in violation of MOS: Images and WP:MOSICON", and you have provided NO specific evidence to support your assertion. Pdfpdf ( talk) 13:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll weigh in - I've had discussions with several people here in the fairly recent past over this issue and I suspect I'll have several more. We are human and we communicate effectively through visualisation as well as speech and text. Images of medal ribbons not only communicate to visitors what the person has done, it also communicates that their bravery was recognised (pretty much the reason for medals in the first place). More than that, it provides an accessible way for average Australian's to actually see a representation of what a person's medal ribbons would have looked like.
I grew up in Townsville and despite being a cadet from 13 and in the Army Reserve from 17, it was last year before I visited the AWM or actually saw a VC. That said, I know the interest that children and teens may have in militaria and our military history. I am a parent myself and regard fostering this interest and encouraging the same as an important goal. Children and teenagers are not interested in plain-text (nor are the majority of adults), it does not speak to them and it most certainly does not excite them (if it did, why so many developments with images on the web?). While there may be some academic thrill in preserving plain-text, that is not what wikipedia has evolved into.
The goal must be to improve knowledge of, and interest in, military history. Cringing away from "showing" representations of medal ribbons - especially when so dearly earned - is unworthy of the level of intelligence I see here. If it were possible to promote military history without the use of "crass" images, wouldn't museums be filled with portraits of individuals with a written outline of what medals they had been awarded? There'd be no need to purchase VC's in order to get visitors would there?
Aaron1975 ( talk) 00:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I've now cited the changed burial place to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. From the CWGC's cemetery page, most of those buried at Perth Cemetery were initially buried elsewhere, and relocated there after the war, which is probably the source of the confusion. That said, teh only mention of Aussies is some buried in ZONNEBEKE, not Zillebeke. David Underdown ( talk) 15:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
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1) The icons have been added to this and other pages for a number of reasons. Two that I can quickly think of are:
2) "Icons should not be added only because they look good, because aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder: one reader's harmless decoration may be another reader's distraction" - Not applicable. They are not there for decoration; they are there to convey information in a more efficient manner than text alone would convey the information.
3) "Icons may be purely decorative in the technical sense that they convey no additional useful information and nothing happens when you click on them; but purely decorative icons should still have a useful purpose in providing visual cues or layout." - These icons "have a useful purpose in providing visual cues".
4) "Avoid adding icons that provide neither additional useful information nor visual cues or layout that aid the reader." - Not applicable. These icons provide "additional useful information".
5) "Icons should serve an encyclopaedic purpose other than decoration." - They do. Refer to 1) and 3) above.
In summary, I fail to see how "this particular section is in violation of MOS: Images and WP:MOSICON", and you have provided NO specific evidence to support your assertion. Pdfpdf ( talk) 13:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll weigh in - I've had discussions with several people here in the fairly recent past over this issue and I suspect I'll have several more. We are human and we communicate effectively through visualisation as well as speech and text. Images of medal ribbons not only communicate to visitors what the person has done, it also communicates that their bravery was recognised (pretty much the reason for medals in the first place). More than that, it provides an accessible way for average Australian's to actually see a representation of what a person's medal ribbons would have looked like.
I grew up in Townsville and despite being a cadet from 13 and in the Army Reserve from 17, it was last year before I visited the AWM or actually saw a VC. That said, I know the interest that children and teens may have in militaria and our military history. I am a parent myself and regard fostering this interest and encouraging the same as an important goal. Children and teenagers are not interested in plain-text (nor are the majority of adults), it does not speak to them and it most certainly does not excite them (if it did, why so many developments with images on the web?). While there may be some academic thrill in preserving plain-text, that is not what wikipedia has evolved into.
The goal must be to improve knowledge of, and interest in, military history. Cringing away from "showing" representations of medal ribbons - especially when so dearly earned - is unworthy of the level of intelligence I see here. If it were possible to promote military history without the use of "crass" images, wouldn't museums be filled with portraits of individuals with a written outline of what medals they had been awarded? There'd be no need to purchase VC's in order to get visitors would there?
Aaron1975 ( talk) 00:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I've now cited the changed burial place to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. From the CWGC's cemetery page, most of those buried at Perth Cemetery were initially buried elsewhere, and relocated there after the war, which is probably the source of the confusion. That said, teh only mention of Aussies is some buried in ZONNEBEKE, not Zillebeke. David Underdown ( talk) 15:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
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