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It is "generally believed" that the Cubs are cursed? Come on. Sure, I know that it's something people talk about a lot, but I seriously doubt that the typical baseball fan actually believes in a curse. Wikipedia should be more circumspect in its claims about what people "generally believe." 76.170.117.188 ( talk) 07:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Please note that I have removed the stub tag from this article without editing it, since it seemed to me to be reasonably complete. Chick Bowen 23:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
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Merge Merkle Boner → Fred Merkle - Neither article is rather long and while I'm guessing Merkle was a good player, there is no claim to notability other than the Merkle Boner. All in all, two almost stubs can make the start of one decent article if they are merged together. -- Bobblehead (rants) 04:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like the author(s) of this article to back up his/her/their statement that "the rule allowing a force play after a potential game-winning run was not well-known." The sense of the game itself makes this highly unlikely. For example, if this rule was not, in fact, well known, then runners advancing from third base, with two outs, ahead of a put out at first base (the third out, ending the inning) would be permitted to score, and undeservedly so. With two outs, there is no incentive for the runners on base to wait and see the outcome of the batter's swing. They would be off at the batter's making contact. They would be very likely to score, even with the runner put out at first. This would be, to put it mildly, seen as inequitable, and so the rule had been put in place.
So I challenge whomever wrote that line: who says it was not a well-known rule?
C. Laing Lawrence KS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.45.147.166 ( talk) 13:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't have references for this, so I won't post it in the article until I do, but I'm fairly certain the history is that Evers had tried this play several weeks prior to the Sept 23 game, and had appealed it to the same ump who worked the Merkle game. At that time Evers was overruled, but it planted the seed for what was to come. Of course players understood the forceout rule, but it was NOT generally recognized that in a clear case of a walk-off hit, all baserunners liable for a forceout did have to touch the next base.
roricka Portland, ME —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roricka ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC) You are right; the rule was not generally known, nor cared about, on a walk-off hit. It was that little shit Evers trying to get every edge he could by trying to enforce it.
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It is "generally believed" that the Cubs are cursed? Come on. Sure, I know that it's something people talk about a lot, but I seriously doubt that the typical baseball fan actually believes in a curse. Wikipedia should be more circumspect in its claims about what people "generally believe." 76.170.117.188 ( talk) 07:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Please note that I have removed the stub tag from this article without editing it, since it seemed to me to be reasonably complete. Chick Bowen 23:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Merge Merkle Boner → Fred Merkle - Neither article is rather long and while I'm guessing Merkle was a good player, there is no claim to notability other than the Merkle Boner. All in all, two almost stubs can make the start of one decent article if they are merged together. -- Bobblehead (rants) 04:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like the author(s) of this article to back up his/her/their statement that "the rule allowing a force play after a potential game-winning run was not well-known." The sense of the game itself makes this highly unlikely. For example, if this rule was not, in fact, well known, then runners advancing from third base, with two outs, ahead of a put out at first base (the third out, ending the inning) would be permitted to score, and undeservedly so. With two outs, there is no incentive for the runners on base to wait and see the outcome of the batter's swing. They would be off at the batter's making contact. They would be very likely to score, even with the runner put out at first. This would be, to put it mildly, seen as inequitable, and so the rule had been put in place.
So I challenge whomever wrote that line: who says it was not a well-known rule?
C. Laing Lawrence KS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.45.147.166 ( talk) 13:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't have references for this, so I won't post it in the article until I do, but I'm fairly certain the history is that Evers had tried this play several weeks prior to the Sept 23 game, and had appealed it to the same ump who worked the Merkle game. At that time Evers was overruled, but it planted the seed for what was to come. Of course players understood the forceout rule, but it was NOT generally recognized that in a clear case of a walk-off hit, all baserunners liable for a forceout did have to touch the next base.
roricka Portland, ME —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roricka ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC) You are right; the rule was not generally known, nor cared about, on a walk-off hit. It was that little shit Evers trying to get every edge he could by trying to enforce it.
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