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I would like to find a new reference picture. This one is out of proportion, and it is impossible to tell how large the mountain is, how devastating and huge the slide. I have seen Turtle Mountain and the slide that covered the town of Frank in person, and this picture does not do it justice in any way. That there is a man standing in front of it skews the perception all the more. I have pictures of my own, would it be acceptable to donate one of my own pictures to this article? 72.185.43.62 20:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
File:Frank Slide from NW flank of Turtle Mountain.JPG Fourtildas ( talk) 04:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I would like to add this image, perhaps under "Legacy": (Moved to article) Fourtildas ( talk) 02:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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I have done the prose and the photos, and will check out the sources tomorrow. -- Dianna ( talk) 03:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
The town of Frank is in Alberta, not in Northwest Territories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.232.66 ( talk) 02:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Whilst carrying out research in connection with another project I located this page as it has pertinent information regarding the project I am working on. I had no trouble at all understanding that Franks was located within the Northwest Territories in 1903 and was transferred in 1907 to Alberta Province. The statement is well written in English and understandable. As others have pointed out people reading the item should READ what is written and not assume that they know what they read before entering into a discussion about what was or was not written. I am not a Canadian, have never - unfortunately been to Canada, English is not my mother tongue but I have no trouble in reading, writing or speaking it. If others make the same mistake it doesn't mean that they are right and the author is wrong but that many people do not know how to read. If a million people stand on the edge of a precipice and 999,999 jump to their death does it make the last one the idiot? No it means they showed some sense. Read what is written not what you want it to read. Comprende? The Geologist ( talk) 16:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Could I point out that while I 100% grasp the concept of historical changes to boundaries over time, that I find it very weird to have the page say "Frank, Alberta" and then have Alberta link to the North West Territories. The NWT link in the side bar, is for a present one, not a historical article, as is the link in Alberta. I understand there is a note, but if I just copy the sentence, or don't read footnotes at exactly the place it appears (because if it is so important, it shouldn't be a footnote). Why can't this say "Frank, District of Alberta, NWT", or just say Alberta like the Fort Edmonton page says it is in Alberta, even though it the time period of it's existence entirely predates the province of alberta SJrX10 ( talk) 20:48, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
This discussion is absurd. Simply state that it was NWT at the time but now part of Alberta. Just having mention of NWT causes any reader who is familiar with Frank, Alberta, to believe this is incorrect.
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I have made a couple of changes to this section which unfortunately reflected commonly-held mythology about Frank. First, there was never a place called 'New Frank'; it was always just part of Frank. That portion of town north of the railway (the present community) was laid out on the originial 1901 survey and its first three buildings were constructed in 1901-1902, before the Slide. In 1905 the mine placed the remaining lots up for sale and it soon filled with houses, long before the 1911 relocations.
Second, the northern part of town did not receive buildings from the part of Frank that was moved. The mine-owned houses were moved only a few hundred metres west onto Colomer Avenue, joining other company-owned houses built around 1908. (Most of the Colomer Avenue houses were subsequently removed to Blairmore in the 1920s after the closure of the Frank mine.) Some commercial buildings were torn down, but many were moved to the newly-surveyed Sulphur Springs subdivision, located inbetween Frank and Blairmore. Sulphur Springs was also supposed to receive all of the houses from the north part of Frank - the present community - which never moved despite being located within the 'danger area'. Sulphur Springs was not a success, and the commercial buildings there disappeared within fifteen years. The only building known to have been moved into the part of Frank north of the tracks was the Union Hotel (later renamed the Frank Hotel), located only a few metres outside of the 'danger zone'.
This is a lot of detail that probably does not need to go into this article, hence the brevity of my correction.
Many factual mis-steps regarding the Frank Slide reside in older history books, though the authors no doubt did their best with the resources they had. An abbreviated version of my paper on this subject appears in the March 2012 newsletter of the Crowsnest Heritage Initiative, available here: http://www.crowsnestheritage.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/March-2012.pdf . I can email a copy of the original footnoted paper to anyone interested in references. Ian mckenzie ( talk) 21:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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Change location "Northwest Territories" to "Alberta" The Frank Slide did not occur in NWT. LeeannL ( talk) 21:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
The source for many of the facts links to Anderson 2005 which just brings the Frank Slide page up. This should be rectified. Pushelildaisies ( talk) 15:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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location of the town was in Alberta not north west territories 66.222.152.195 ( talk) 14:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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Hi there! Frank slide is actually in Alberta Canada. Hope this helps. 96.45.10.22 ( talk) 22:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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Frank is not in The Northwest Territories, it’s in southern Alberta near the US border. Only 1000 km difference, I know. And “North-West” is not hyphenated. Isn’t there some kind of grammar test before you get editor status? 2604:3D09:67A:6400:D10:9B50:25A0:9718 ( talk) 14:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
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The town of Frank is not in the Northwest Territories, it’s in Alberta. 207.148.176.60 ( talk) 02:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bring this whole NWT or Alberta thing up again but really I think that the decisions made here are quite stupid. Let me mention this, for the category "1903 in Northwest Territories" note that it is Northwest not North-West, it's referring to what is now the northwest territories not the former entity. Also there are categories such as " 1903 in Alberta" all the way into the 1800s, even though "Alberta" didn't exist back then. Because it is for events that occurred in what is now Alberta. This is how categories work with former entities in the US (See Indian Territory etc.) so what's the difference here? I have no issue with the framing being "this took place in the Alberta District of the North-West Territories, present day Alberta" in the article itself, but this cannot be applied to Categories as well. Here's another example, the category: 1980s in Eritrea. Eritrea gained independence from Ethiopia in the 90s. So should articles in this category be in the category 1980s in Ethiopia? According to the precedent set by every other historical category on this website NO!
I am going to change this and if someone reverts it there will be an Edit War II.
Why is the article 1900 Edmonton Municipal Election in the category "1900 in Alberta"? Why does the category "1900 in Alberta" exist? Qwexcxewq ( talk) 00:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Simply because someone made a mistake years ago is not an excuse to perpetuate that mistake. The category "1900 in Alberta" was created by a person who miscreated a bunch of similar categories, back in 2015; since it was so long ago, I don't think it would be productive to ask them why they made that error; when I have time, I will probably just fix it. It's a good example of why it is so important to fully understand the subject of the article before adding categories. The standard is pretty clear, when it comes to dated geographic categories: they should refer to the factual situation relevant to the geographic region as of that date. A case could be made for including Category:District of Alberta, as well as Category:1903 in the Northwest Territories (which should also probably be renamed to eliminate the "the"); if you want to (civilly, and without threats) make that argument, I think there is a good chance that supportive consensus could be reached. Perhaps you might want to try starting that conversation. Risker ( talk) 07:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to find a new reference picture. This one is out of proportion, and it is impossible to tell how large the mountain is, how devastating and huge the slide. I have seen Turtle Mountain and the slide that covered the town of Frank in person, and this picture does not do it justice in any way. That there is a man standing in front of it skews the perception all the more. I have pictures of my own, would it be acceptable to donate one of my own pictures to this article? 72.185.43.62 20:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
File:Frank Slide from NW flank of Turtle Mountain.JPG Fourtildas ( talk) 04:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I would like to add this image, perhaps under "Legacy": (Moved to article) Fourtildas ( talk) 02:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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I have done the prose and the photos, and will check out the sources tomorrow. -- Dianna ( talk) 03:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
The town of Frank is in Alberta, not in Northwest Territories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.232.66 ( talk) 02:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Whilst carrying out research in connection with another project I located this page as it has pertinent information regarding the project I am working on. I had no trouble at all understanding that Franks was located within the Northwest Territories in 1903 and was transferred in 1907 to Alberta Province. The statement is well written in English and understandable. As others have pointed out people reading the item should READ what is written and not assume that they know what they read before entering into a discussion about what was or was not written. I am not a Canadian, have never - unfortunately been to Canada, English is not my mother tongue but I have no trouble in reading, writing or speaking it. If others make the same mistake it doesn't mean that they are right and the author is wrong but that many people do not know how to read. If a million people stand on the edge of a precipice and 999,999 jump to their death does it make the last one the idiot? No it means they showed some sense. Read what is written not what you want it to read. Comprende? The Geologist ( talk) 16:38, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Could I point out that while I 100% grasp the concept of historical changes to boundaries over time, that I find it very weird to have the page say "Frank, Alberta" and then have Alberta link to the North West Territories. The NWT link in the side bar, is for a present one, not a historical article, as is the link in Alberta. I understand there is a note, but if I just copy the sentence, or don't read footnotes at exactly the place it appears (because if it is so important, it shouldn't be a footnote). Why can't this say "Frank, District of Alberta, NWT", or just say Alberta like the Fort Edmonton page says it is in Alberta, even though it the time period of it's existence entirely predates the province of alberta SJrX10 ( talk) 20:48, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
This discussion is absurd. Simply state that it was NWT at the time but now part of Alberta. Just having mention of NWT causes any reader who is familiar with Frank, Alberta, to believe this is incorrect.
96.56.130.106 (
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I have made a couple of changes to this section which unfortunately reflected commonly-held mythology about Frank. First, there was never a place called 'New Frank'; it was always just part of Frank. That portion of town north of the railway (the present community) was laid out on the originial 1901 survey and its first three buildings were constructed in 1901-1902, before the Slide. In 1905 the mine placed the remaining lots up for sale and it soon filled with houses, long before the 1911 relocations.
Second, the northern part of town did not receive buildings from the part of Frank that was moved. The mine-owned houses were moved only a few hundred metres west onto Colomer Avenue, joining other company-owned houses built around 1908. (Most of the Colomer Avenue houses were subsequently removed to Blairmore in the 1920s after the closure of the Frank mine.) Some commercial buildings were torn down, but many were moved to the newly-surveyed Sulphur Springs subdivision, located inbetween Frank and Blairmore. Sulphur Springs was also supposed to receive all of the houses from the north part of Frank - the present community - which never moved despite being located within the 'danger area'. Sulphur Springs was not a success, and the commercial buildings there disappeared within fifteen years. The only building known to have been moved into the part of Frank north of the tracks was the Union Hotel (later renamed the Frank Hotel), located only a few metres outside of the 'danger zone'.
This is a lot of detail that probably does not need to go into this article, hence the brevity of my correction.
Many factual mis-steps regarding the Frank Slide reside in older history books, though the authors no doubt did their best with the resources they had. An abbreviated version of my paper on this subject appears in the March 2012 newsletter of the Crowsnest Heritage Initiative, available here: http://www.crowsnestheritage.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/March-2012.pdf . I can email a copy of the original footnoted paper to anyone interested in references. Ian mckenzie ( talk) 21:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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Change location "Northwest Territories" to "Alberta" The Frank Slide did not occur in NWT. LeeannL ( talk) 21:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
The source for many of the facts links to Anderson 2005 which just brings the Frank Slide page up. This should be rectified. Pushelildaisies ( talk) 15:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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location of the town was in Alberta not north west territories 66.222.152.195 ( talk) 14:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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Hi there! Frank slide is actually in Alberta Canada. Hope this helps. 96.45.10.22 ( talk) 22:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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Frank is not in The Northwest Territories, it’s in southern Alberta near the US border. Only 1000 km difference, I know. And “North-West” is not hyphenated. Isn’t there some kind of grammar test before you get editor status? 2604:3D09:67A:6400:D10:9B50:25A0:9718 ( talk) 14:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
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The town of Frank is not in the Northwest Territories, it’s in Alberta. 207.148.176.60 ( talk) 02:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bring this whole NWT or Alberta thing up again but really I think that the decisions made here are quite stupid. Let me mention this, for the category "1903 in Northwest Territories" note that it is Northwest not North-West, it's referring to what is now the northwest territories not the former entity. Also there are categories such as " 1903 in Alberta" all the way into the 1800s, even though "Alberta" didn't exist back then. Because it is for events that occurred in what is now Alberta. This is how categories work with former entities in the US (See Indian Territory etc.) so what's the difference here? I have no issue with the framing being "this took place in the Alberta District of the North-West Territories, present day Alberta" in the article itself, but this cannot be applied to Categories as well. Here's another example, the category: 1980s in Eritrea. Eritrea gained independence from Ethiopia in the 90s. So should articles in this category be in the category 1980s in Ethiopia? According to the precedent set by every other historical category on this website NO!
I am going to change this and if someone reverts it there will be an Edit War II.
Why is the article 1900 Edmonton Municipal Election in the category "1900 in Alberta"? Why does the category "1900 in Alberta" exist? Qwexcxewq ( talk) 00:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Simply because someone made a mistake years ago is not an excuse to perpetuate that mistake. The category "1900 in Alberta" was created by a person who miscreated a bunch of similar categories, back in 2015; since it was so long ago, I don't think it would be productive to ask them why they made that error; when I have time, I will probably just fix it. It's a good example of why it is so important to fully understand the subject of the article before adding categories. The standard is pretty clear, when it comes to dated geographic categories: they should refer to the factual situation relevant to the geographic region as of that date. A case could be made for including Category:District of Alberta, as well as Category:1903 in the Northwest Territories (which should also probably be renamed to eliminate the "the"); if you want to (civilly, and without threats) make that argument, I think there is a good chance that supportive consensus could be reached. Perhaps you might want to try starting that conversation. Risker ( talk) 07:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)