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From the way the two articles are currently written, they seem to be a tossup with notability. The younger Mrvan is a new politico on the federal level, so doesn't show any great notability. He would be of greater national interest if he proposed significant legislation or was a major committee chair. The current situation between the two is a state senator with 40 years at the state level, or a reprsentative with over 1 year on the federal level. There is no great preponderance of notability accruing to the younger Mrvan. And if it turns out he becomes a 1-term congressman
[1] his father would seem to have the greater long term notability due to the longer legislative record
[2][3] which would impact the citizens of Indiana, and being one of the longest serving state senators
[4]. On the balance in generic Google search, there isn't much between the elder and the younger. --
64.229.88.43 (
talk)
00:50, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I disagree. A Google News search for Frank Mrvan turns up almost exclusively results about the younger Frank Mrvan
[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] Just about 1 source about the father retiring
[14]. Notability is based on the weight of coverage in reliable sources, not based on the length of career. Even if Mrvan isn't reelected, he is more notable based on the source coverage of a federal US representative getting a lot of national coverage versus a state senator, mostly getting trivial local coverage. Andre🚐02:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment. Gentle reminder that the primary topic for an article title relies not upon general notability, but upon the two main criteria as described at
WP:PTOPIC. So setting general notability aside, one question would be, is either Mr. Mrvan called by the proposed title, "Frank Mrvan", in reliable sources moreso than the other Mr. Mrvan? P.I. Ellsworth ,
ed.put'r there12:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)reply
To add on I think I demonstrated above that per
WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY any test should yield the younger Mrvan - he's in the news a lot more and he's also more prominent in source material since he is a national U.S. Congressperson, and his father is a state representative of more local interest. Contrary to the statement by 64.229.88.43(
talk·contribs·WHOIS), they aren't roughly equivalent on a balance in Google search. Andre🚐18:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Requested move 29 September 2022
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Per above close by Extraordinary Writ, 'both sides had strong arguments' and now that 30 days have passed since first nomination with minimal participation and no new arguments were made on either sides in the re-nomination, closing as no consensus. May re-visit this one when some more time has passed. (
closed by non-admin page mover) —CX Zoom[he/him](
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From the way the two articles are currently written, they seem to be a tossup with notability. The younger Mrvan is a new politico on the federal level, so doesn't show any great notability. He would be of greater national interest if he proposed significant legislation or was a major committee chair. The current situation between the two is a state senator with 40 years at the state level, or a reprsentative with over 1 year on the federal level. There is no great preponderance of notability accruing to the younger Mrvan. And if it turns out he becomes a 1-term congressman
[1] his father would seem to have the greater long term notability due to the longer legislative record
[2][3] which would impact the citizens of Indiana, and being one of the longest serving state senators
[4]. On the balance in generic Google search, there isn't much between the elder and the younger. --
64.229.88.43 (
talk)
00:50, 10 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I disagree. A Google News search for Frank Mrvan turns up almost exclusively results about the younger Frank Mrvan
[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] Just about 1 source about the father retiring
[14]. Notability is based on the weight of coverage in reliable sources, not based on the length of career. Even if Mrvan isn't reelected, he is more notable based on the source coverage of a federal US representative getting a lot of national coverage versus a state senator, mostly getting trivial local coverage. Andre🚐02:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment. Gentle reminder that the primary topic for an article title relies not upon general notability, but upon the two main criteria as described at
WP:PTOPIC. So setting general notability aside, one question would be, is either Mr. Mrvan called by the proposed title, "Frank Mrvan", in reliable sources moreso than the other Mr. Mrvan? P.I. Ellsworth ,
ed.put'r there12:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)reply
To add on I think I demonstrated above that per
WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY any test should yield the younger Mrvan - he's in the news a lot more and he's also more prominent in source material since he is a national U.S. Congressperson, and his father is a state representative of more local interest. Contrary to the statement by 64.229.88.43(
talk·contribs·WHOIS), they aren't roughly equivalent on a balance in Google search. Andre🚐18:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Requested move 29 September 2022
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requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Per above close by Extraordinary Writ, 'both sides had strong arguments' and now that 30 days have passed since first nomination with minimal participation and no new arguments were made on either sides in the re-nomination, closing as no consensus. May re-visit this one when some more time has passed. (
closed by non-admin page mover) —CX Zoom[he/him](
let's talk • {
C•
X})12:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.