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"In 1998, Hsieh was elected the Kaohsiung Mayor. Under his administration, the walls of many parks and schools were taken down. As a result, the city seemed more connected to the people. He also managed to improve the water qualities of rivers, including Love River. Hsieh improve the quality of the port of Kaohsiung. " This wasn't NPOV so I changed the wording slightly. I expect everyone will be OK with it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.41.34.190 ( talk • contribs)
This article is similar to Chen Shui-bian, I think it should be protected for the same reason.-- Jerrypp772000 22:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The current Chinese naming conventions are disputed, therefore, we have to get to an agreement on whether using Taiwan is more appropriate or ROC on different fields. On the "Nationality" field, I agree to use ROC (Taiwan), as ROC is the sovereign nation. However, as there is a consensus on the talk page of Chen Shui-bian, the birthplace field shouldn't have ROC in it.-- Jerrypp772000 23:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Put aside your own POV. Why dont you take a look at your passport and resort to the facts. TingMing 01:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The "Taiwan" in parenthesis serves to clarify the term "Republic of China" (or at least throw readers off enough so that they will click on the link). It only need to appear once in the article, at the first mention.-- Jiang 22:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Republic of China (Taiwan) is the current standard usage internationally. You may notice that oversees "embassies" have been changing their signs and letterhead to read this, because most people around the world do not realize that ROC=Taiwan. Whatever the legal situation may be, in reality ROC pretty much means the area of Taiwan.
I think we should add info about Hsieh's political view, such as 和解共生, etc.-- Jerry 23:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I reverted a bunch of recent posts because they were clearly uncited POV pushing. For example:
Also, more and more people are proud of living in Kaohsiung. Kaohsiung was widely considered to be improved a lot by the Hsieh administration. [1]
became
Also, more and more people are leaving Kaohsiung because of the high unemployment rate (number 1 in Taiwan). Kaohsiung was widely considered to be a fake image and decending city by the people in Taiwan.
One could argue that the original block was POV, but it was referenced. If you want to remove it, please explain why the reference is invalid. Do not simply replace with an unreferenced biased statement. Perhaps the best thing to do if you think balance is missing would be to provide another sentence describing a different POV and a reference for that POV.
Another example by a different editor:
Hsieh is married to Yu Fang-chih (游芳枝); together, they have a son (adapted) and a daughter. He and his wife believe in Sung Chi-li (宋七力), which was once a notorius religion in Taiwan, having over ten thousand followers at its height.
became
Hsieh is married to Yu Fang-chih (游芳枝); together, they have a son (adopted) and a daughter. Unlike his counterpart in the 2008 election, none of his immediate family are US citizen nor are they hiding in the US.
In this case the original was not perfect. calling the religion "notorious" is POV and should be changed or deleted if someone who knows more about the religion can do so. Or alternatively a good citation would be acceptable. Adding the attack on Ma is not acceptable. This is an article about Hsieh, not Ma. Readin ( talk) 14:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The article has a big section about Ma. Hsieh made an accusation that Ma had a U.S. green card. That much applies to Hsieh. The rest talks about Ma. Perhaps for the specifics about Ma's green card or lack of green card the reader should be referred to a page on Ma or to a page on the 2008 Taiwanese Presidential election, and the details can be provided there. Readin ( talk) 15:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I discovered that the article on the election contained identical information, so I referred the reader there. Readin ( talk) 15:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
"Hsieh received his Bachelor of Laws degree from National Taiwan University and completed a Master of Laws degree from Kyoto University. He was a practicing attorney from 1969 to 1981, serving as a defense attorney in the martial courts following the Kaohsiung Incident of 1980." How could he practice law if he didn't have a PhD? I thought a PhD was required to practice law. Readin ( talk) 23:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Obviously each country's regulations are different. A Bachelor of Laws alone (plus passing the bar exam) qualifies one to practice law in Taiwan. Chen Shui-Bian, for example, is famous for passing the bar exam while only a junior in his undergraduate (i.e. before he even graduate from Bachelor). But even in the US, a PhD equivalent (called Doctor of Juridical Science) is not a prerequisite for practicing law. What they need is a Juris Doctor (JD) which is a professional doctorate that takes 3 years. Donquixotean ( talk) 08:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure (absolutely sure, actually) that the standard transcription of his family name would be Siā. Chiā in Peh-oē-jī is equivalent to 'jia' in pinyin, and is not the Taiwanese / Min Nan pronounciation of that character. Am I missing something? Are there indeed two ways that character can be pronounced? Alexwoods ( talk) 19:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.china.org.cn/english/China/239354.htm
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"In 1998, Hsieh was elected the Kaohsiung Mayor. Under his administration, the walls of many parks and schools were taken down. As a result, the city seemed more connected to the people. He also managed to improve the water qualities of rivers, including Love River. Hsieh improve the quality of the port of Kaohsiung. " This wasn't NPOV so I changed the wording slightly. I expect everyone will be OK with it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.41.34.190 ( talk • contribs)
This article is similar to Chen Shui-bian, I think it should be protected for the same reason.-- Jerrypp772000 22:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The current Chinese naming conventions are disputed, therefore, we have to get to an agreement on whether using Taiwan is more appropriate or ROC on different fields. On the "Nationality" field, I agree to use ROC (Taiwan), as ROC is the sovereign nation. However, as there is a consensus on the talk page of Chen Shui-bian, the birthplace field shouldn't have ROC in it.-- Jerrypp772000 23:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Put aside your own POV. Why dont you take a look at your passport and resort to the facts. TingMing 01:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The "Taiwan" in parenthesis serves to clarify the term "Republic of China" (or at least throw readers off enough so that they will click on the link). It only need to appear once in the article, at the first mention.-- Jiang 22:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Republic of China (Taiwan) is the current standard usage internationally. You may notice that oversees "embassies" have been changing their signs and letterhead to read this, because most people around the world do not realize that ROC=Taiwan. Whatever the legal situation may be, in reality ROC pretty much means the area of Taiwan.
I think we should add info about Hsieh's political view, such as 和解共生, etc.-- Jerry 23:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I reverted a bunch of recent posts because they were clearly uncited POV pushing. For example:
Also, more and more people are proud of living in Kaohsiung. Kaohsiung was widely considered to be improved a lot by the Hsieh administration. [1]
became
Also, more and more people are leaving Kaohsiung because of the high unemployment rate (number 1 in Taiwan). Kaohsiung was widely considered to be a fake image and decending city by the people in Taiwan.
One could argue that the original block was POV, but it was referenced. If you want to remove it, please explain why the reference is invalid. Do not simply replace with an unreferenced biased statement. Perhaps the best thing to do if you think balance is missing would be to provide another sentence describing a different POV and a reference for that POV.
Another example by a different editor:
Hsieh is married to Yu Fang-chih (游芳枝); together, they have a son (adapted) and a daughter. He and his wife believe in Sung Chi-li (宋七力), which was once a notorius religion in Taiwan, having over ten thousand followers at its height.
became
Hsieh is married to Yu Fang-chih (游芳枝); together, they have a son (adopted) and a daughter. Unlike his counterpart in the 2008 election, none of his immediate family are US citizen nor are they hiding in the US.
In this case the original was not perfect. calling the religion "notorious" is POV and should be changed or deleted if someone who knows more about the religion can do so. Or alternatively a good citation would be acceptable. Adding the attack on Ma is not acceptable. This is an article about Hsieh, not Ma. Readin ( talk) 14:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The article has a big section about Ma. Hsieh made an accusation that Ma had a U.S. green card. That much applies to Hsieh. The rest talks about Ma. Perhaps for the specifics about Ma's green card or lack of green card the reader should be referred to a page on Ma or to a page on the 2008 Taiwanese Presidential election, and the details can be provided there. Readin ( talk) 15:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I discovered that the article on the election contained identical information, so I referred the reader there. Readin ( talk) 15:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
"Hsieh received his Bachelor of Laws degree from National Taiwan University and completed a Master of Laws degree from Kyoto University. He was a practicing attorney from 1969 to 1981, serving as a defense attorney in the martial courts following the Kaohsiung Incident of 1980." How could he practice law if he didn't have a PhD? I thought a PhD was required to practice law. Readin ( talk) 23:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Obviously each country's regulations are different. A Bachelor of Laws alone (plus passing the bar exam) qualifies one to practice law in Taiwan. Chen Shui-Bian, for example, is famous for passing the bar exam while only a junior in his undergraduate (i.e. before he even graduate from Bachelor). But even in the US, a PhD equivalent (called Doctor of Juridical Science) is not a prerequisite for practicing law. What they need is a Juris Doctor (JD) which is a professional doctorate that takes 3 years. Donquixotean ( talk) 08:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure (absolutely sure, actually) that the standard transcription of his family name would be Siā. Chiā in Peh-oē-jī is equivalent to 'jia' in pinyin, and is not the Taiwanese / Min Nan pronounciation of that character. Am I missing something? Are there indeed two ways that character can be pronounced? Alexwoods ( talk) 19:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.china.org.cn/english/China/239354.htm
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