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Just out of interest, why is this article not simply entitled "Franco-Flemish War"? Wikipedia doesn't seem to think there are any others and, even if there were, this would surely be the most notable! --- Brigade Piron ( talk) 12:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
would this qualify as a victory for France, the towns they got were small and not important, im not sure what the payment was, but the war was to take control of Flemish areas and for the most part they were unsuccessful in that, especially with the disastrous defeat at the battle of Golden Spurs, which killed over a thousand nobles and was a monumental black eye for France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.158.249.116 ( talk) 07:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
The War was a French victory. 1) The treaty came after Mons-en-Pevele which enabled the French to gain a favourable peace. 2) While the whole of Flanders wasn’t annexed, the French crown gained important territories and Flanders was still a Fiefdom (Vassal of the French post war.) 3) Flanders had to pay an extortionate reparations to the French crown. 4) The Treaty was extremely unpopular in Flanders and led to uprisings 20 years later. 5) The main aim of the French King was to strengthen the French crown, not to necessarily annex Flanders in totality.
All this is in the treaty article and the main article. TDF444 ( talk) 01:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Enraged the population but greater control was established and consequently the treaty is favourable to France. I appreciate the better wording of the Fief point. I don't like the wording of the first point, i'm going to reword it and see if that is a good compromise. We shall leave out the defined victory to interpretation for now of the reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDF444 ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Considering the characteristics of the war, would it be this wrong to call the Franco-Flemish War as such? Besides, I also find it hard to qualify the result as a French victory, even if the French had the upper hand in the end and definitely the more profitable side of the treaty. Their main goal, stripping Flanders from their status as an independent nation, was not accomplished and and surely suffered some heavy losses. --- Abyssxox ( talk) 12:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
You are correct. This was a defensive war for Flanders. But after the surprising victory of 1302 it turned into a short bout of independence. Though this is all a matter of opinion because many counties and duchies of France have been de facto independent for long periods of time yet there were still considered part of (West-)Francia.
I think it is better to see it as a Flemish pyrhicc victory as the main goal of the French king, annexation to his royal domains, was undone. CineadAnDuine ( talk) 09:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
The Treaty was ultimately a favourable one to France following the Battle of Mons-en-pevele. The main goal was to strengthen French Monarchy, territory was annexed and he gained greater control of the region through reparations. TDF444 ( talk) 01:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
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Just out of interest, why is this article not simply entitled "Franco-Flemish War"? Wikipedia doesn't seem to think there are any others and, even if there were, this would surely be the most notable! --- Brigade Piron ( talk) 12:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
would this qualify as a victory for France, the towns they got were small and not important, im not sure what the payment was, but the war was to take control of Flemish areas and for the most part they were unsuccessful in that, especially with the disastrous defeat at the battle of Golden Spurs, which killed over a thousand nobles and was a monumental black eye for France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.158.249.116 ( talk) 07:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
The War was a French victory. 1) The treaty came after Mons-en-Pevele which enabled the French to gain a favourable peace. 2) While the whole of Flanders wasn’t annexed, the French crown gained important territories and Flanders was still a Fiefdom (Vassal of the French post war.) 3) Flanders had to pay an extortionate reparations to the French crown. 4) The Treaty was extremely unpopular in Flanders and led to uprisings 20 years later. 5) The main aim of the French King was to strengthen the French crown, not to necessarily annex Flanders in totality.
All this is in the treaty article and the main article. TDF444 ( talk) 01:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Enraged the population but greater control was established and consequently the treaty is favourable to France. I appreciate the better wording of the Fief point. I don't like the wording of the first point, i'm going to reword it and see if that is a good compromise. We shall leave out the defined victory to interpretation for now of the reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDF444 ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Considering the characteristics of the war, would it be this wrong to call the Franco-Flemish War as such? Besides, I also find it hard to qualify the result as a French victory, even if the French had the upper hand in the end and definitely the more profitable side of the treaty. Their main goal, stripping Flanders from their status as an independent nation, was not accomplished and and surely suffered some heavy losses. --- Abyssxox ( talk) 12:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
You are correct. This was a defensive war for Flanders. But after the surprising victory of 1302 it turned into a short bout of independence. Though this is all a matter of opinion because many counties and duchies of France have been de facto independent for long periods of time yet there were still considered part of (West-)Francia.
I think it is better to see it as a Flemish pyrhicc victory as the main goal of the French king, annexation to his royal domains, was undone. CineadAnDuine ( talk) 09:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
The Treaty was ultimately a favourable one to France following the Battle of Mons-en-pevele. The main goal was to strengthen French Monarchy, territory was annexed and he gained greater control of the region through reparations. TDF444 ( talk) 01:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)