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I'm curious what 'Fire Over England ' has to do with Francis Walsingham. There seems to be a spying theme, but no link to Francis in particular.
I'm also curious as to why the last bit was written. It seems to have been written solely to take a jab at the movie Elizabeth without offering any insight as to why the character of Walsingham was not portrayed accurately. I would think that this portion of the article could easily be removed without harming the otherwise informative writeup.
-- Airosche 18:36, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Also, wasn't Walsingham portrayed in that HBO movie made in 2006?
If you are referring to the "gloriously inaccurately" comment, it is a while since I saw the film, but I seem to remember Walsingham is shown as a. not religious b. probably homosexual c. sleeping with and murdering Marie de Guise; none of these is at all accurate. The film's portrait stresses the Machivellianism dimension which would certainly have pained Walsingham who saw himself as a devout Protestant fighting for his country's life.
Sir Francis Walsingham (c. 1530 – April 6, 1590) is remembered by history as…
Francis Walsingham was born in Scadbury Park, Chislehurst, Kent in about 1532
Which is it? 1530 or 1532? Yes, I realize they're both hedged as "circa" or "about," but the article should be consistent one way or the other. Which is the more likely birth date? -- Dodiad 06:26 29 Jul 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know where Walsingham was buried, or entombed? -- Michael K. Smith ( talk) 02:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
He was buried in Sir Philip Sidney's tomb in (old) St Paul's and therefore his memorial disappeared in the Great Fire Mleimon ( talk) 20:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The statement about Walsingham "winning" over Stafford is simply not borne out by the evidence, I am afraid: The fullest account (the only one using the original Spanish sources, not the translated calendars) so far is the article by Geoffrey Parker: "Treason and Plot in Elizabethan Diplomacy: The 'Fame of Sir Edward Stafford' Reconsidered" in Success Is Never Final by the same author (2002). There can be no doubt that Stafford was the best mole the Spaniards had, and Walsingham did not neutralise him before the Armada, when it would have mattered. So, since there is no reference given, I removed the last sentence about Walsingham and Stafford. Buchraeumer ( talk) 21:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Changed the ownership in Elizabeth_I_(tv series) 2005 from HBO to the actual producers Channel Four HBO were just the US distributors. Twobells ( talk) 12:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I think it best to group literary references together Sceptic1954 ( talk) 15:00, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, leave it there. Do you have a link to Watson's eulogy? Sceptic1954 ( talk) 15:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I didn't mean length, it's rather a bit too much detail which may be better separately Sceptic1954 ( talk) 16:20, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Under "Walsingham's Interests", there is a sentence "His chef was noteworthy." What does this mean? Did he have an interest in cooking, or was he a publicist for his cook...? Norman21 ( talk) 20:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Would it be frivolous to list the instrumental song "Walsingham" (written by John Dowland) at the bottom of the page? Title of song listed on Songs from the Labyrinth (performed by Edin Karamzov). Would I need to do more than simply list the title and include some information about Dowland and research why the tune was titled "Walsingham"? whooshing ( talk) 13:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Several books/texts list Walsingham as a Puritan yet he is listed here as a Protestant? I was always lead to believe that Proestantism and Puritanism were bothe different? 82.20.8.96 ( talk) 15:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
It is not clear if Walsingham benefitted financially from slavery. The article says he "promoted" the activities of Francis Drake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.68.22 ( talk) 14:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
His coat of arms is not worthy of inclusion in the lead. The lead is for the most important points and is designed to be a summary of the article. It shouldn't be used to introduce material not found in the article body or material of doubtful relevance. I also doubt the necessity of giving his maternal grandfather's address in the article. This is at best a tangential detail of little to no relevance. Also, note WP:DUPCITES, duplicate references should be merged. Per MOS:CAPTION, captions should be succinct with details on the file page. The captions of the introduced files were particularly bad: one misspelled his name and the other repeated details from the article text unnecessarily and was incorrect grammatically. DrKay ( talk) 19:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
New section on origins added, more information, more logically arranged. He was from a well-established gentry family, which needs to be explained, his earliest notable ancestor was Thomas Walsingham (died 1457), MP, who purchased Scadbury. That needs to be mentioned too. Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 12:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Expanded (in one sentence) on who his father was, connecting him back to his earliest prominent ancestor, an MP and wealthy merchant. Clearly important info. Edit reverted and categorised as "trivia". Request for comment. Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 14:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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I'm curious what 'Fire Over England ' has to do with Francis Walsingham. There seems to be a spying theme, but no link to Francis in particular.
I'm also curious as to why the last bit was written. It seems to have been written solely to take a jab at the movie Elizabeth without offering any insight as to why the character of Walsingham was not portrayed accurately. I would think that this portion of the article could easily be removed without harming the otherwise informative writeup.
-- Airosche 18:36, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Also, wasn't Walsingham portrayed in that HBO movie made in 2006?
If you are referring to the "gloriously inaccurately" comment, it is a while since I saw the film, but I seem to remember Walsingham is shown as a. not religious b. probably homosexual c. sleeping with and murdering Marie de Guise; none of these is at all accurate. The film's portrait stresses the Machivellianism dimension which would certainly have pained Walsingham who saw himself as a devout Protestant fighting for his country's life.
Sir Francis Walsingham (c. 1530 – April 6, 1590) is remembered by history as…
Francis Walsingham was born in Scadbury Park, Chislehurst, Kent in about 1532
Which is it? 1530 or 1532? Yes, I realize they're both hedged as "circa" or "about," but the article should be consistent one way or the other. Which is the more likely birth date? -- Dodiad 06:26 29 Jul 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know where Walsingham was buried, or entombed? -- Michael K. Smith ( talk) 02:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
He was buried in Sir Philip Sidney's tomb in (old) St Paul's and therefore his memorial disappeared in the Great Fire Mleimon ( talk) 20:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The statement about Walsingham "winning" over Stafford is simply not borne out by the evidence, I am afraid: The fullest account (the only one using the original Spanish sources, not the translated calendars) so far is the article by Geoffrey Parker: "Treason and Plot in Elizabethan Diplomacy: The 'Fame of Sir Edward Stafford' Reconsidered" in Success Is Never Final by the same author (2002). There can be no doubt that Stafford was the best mole the Spaniards had, and Walsingham did not neutralise him before the Armada, when it would have mattered. So, since there is no reference given, I removed the last sentence about Walsingham and Stafford. Buchraeumer ( talk) 21:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Changed the ownership in Elizabeth_I_(tv series) 2005 from HBO to the actual producers Channel Four HBO were just the US distributors. Twobells ( talk) 12:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I think it best to group literary references together Sceptic1954 ( talk) 15:00, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, leave it there. Do you have a link to Watson's eulogy? Sceptic1954 ( talk) 15:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I didn't mean length, it's rather a bit too much detail which may be better separately Sceptic1954 ( talk) 16:20, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Under "Walsingham's Interests", there is a sentence "His chef was noteworthy." What does this mean? Did he have an interest in cooking, or was he a publicist for his cook...? Norman21 ( talk) 20:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Would it be frivolous to list the instrumental song "Walsingham" (written by John Dowland) at the bottom of the page? Title of song listed on Songs from the Labyrinth (performed by Edin Karamzov). Would I need to do more than simply list the title and include some information about Dowland and research why the tune was titled "Walsingham"? whooshing ( talk) 13:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Several books/texts list Walsingham as a Puritan yet he is listed here as a Protestant? I was always lead to believe that Proestantism and Puritanism were bothe different? 82.20.8.96 ( talk) 15:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
It is not clear if Walsingham benefitted financially from slavery. The article says he "promoted" the activities of Francis Drake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.68.22 ( talk) 14:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
His coat of arms is not worthy of inclusion in the lead. The lead is for the most important points and is designed to be a summary of the article. It shouldn't be used to introduce material not found in the article body or material of doubtful relevance. I also doubt the necessity of giving his maternal grandfather's address in the article. This is at best a tangential detail of little to no relevance. Also, note WP:DUPCITES, duplicate references should be merged. Per MOS:CAPTION, captions should be succinct with details on the file page. The captions of the introduced files were particularly bad: one misspelled his name and the other repeated details from the article text unnecessarily and was incorrect grammatically. DrKay ( talk) 19:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
New section on origins added, more information, more logically arranged. He was from a well-established gentry family, which needs to be explained, his earliest notable ancestor was Thomas Walsingham (died 1457), MP, who purchased Scadbury. That needs to be mentioned too. Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 12:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Expanded (in one sentence) on who his father was, connecting him back to his earliest prominent ancestor, an MP and wealthy merchant. Clearly important info. Edit reverted and categorised as "trivia". Request for comment. Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 14:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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