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This article on a well-known primatologist has multiple reliable independent sources, so its presence here seems more than justifiable. The very recent Causette claims are disputed, so I have added details of the controversy. We must not take sides, either assuming Causette is correct or that it is false, but may report that the controversy is occurring with suitable references. I have added links to the Facebook page where the active debate is taking place (without assuming anything about the correctness of what is being said), and to a brief statement by Le Figaro on its action as a result of the debate. I have therefore stated in the lead only that a debate is taking place. No doubt we will be able to add more later. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 08:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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@ User:Kurgbe: Excuse me! All the doubtful claims have been removed; there is no cause for the tag to remain indefinitely, given that any reason there may have been for its presence is now gone. Why has it been reinserted? It is quite inappropriate to the current article, whatever people may have thought about how it was formerly. Also, people may have been referring to French Wikipedia, not this article. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 13:07, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I confess I am somewhat mystified both by another editor's resurrecting their old arguments, none of which I think apply any longer. I am also bemused by the fact that they reverted my edit to the lead, which did nothing more than summarize the body of the article which is now reliably cited. We do not in general cite the lead when it does this, for the sufficient reason that the citations in the body demonstrate that the lead is verifiable. The edits indeed restored a claim that the editor's tag actually disagrees, namely that she was a professional conservationist - one that I don't think is true, did not claim in the revised lead, and don't wish to maintain either. Since, therefore, we violently AGREE that the text is wrong, it seems necessary to replace it at once.
So, why should we not summarize the lead here? - No reason at all, I suggest. Let's put the improved lead back. I'll even cite it, per exceptionem. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 14:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
@ user:Kurgbe: It is not acceptable to edit-war non-agreed changes into a fully-cited text, nor to insert uncited materials into a WP:BLP article.
Your claim, in the lead (!), that "Ester Kerr wrote a child book based on Francine Neago manuscripts on her adventureous (sic) life with animals.<ref name=Uturat/><ref name=Facebook/>" is not acceptable. Firstly, Neago's name appears on the cover of the book as the first author, as actually shown (and, we realize, necessarily shown) in the article. Secondly, Facebook is not an acceptable source for any claim beyond what is already stated, that there is a debate going on there; we can't rely on anything that is said on that site as anybody can edit it, and is doing so. Thirdly, the book "A young orangutan in a loving home" cannot be described as "her adventureous life with animals", even if that had been spelt correctly.
I propose therefore (rather than just reverting the changes as wrong and inadequately cited, which would be justified in these circumstances) the text "and co-author of a book on bringing up a young orangutan". Chiswick Chap ( talk) 06:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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This article on a well-known primatologist has multiple reliable independent sources, so its presence here seems more than justifiable. The very recent Causette claims are disputed, so I have added details of the controversy. We must not take sides, either assuming Causette is correct or that it is false, but may report that the controversy is occurring with suitable references. I have added links to the Facebook page where the active debate is taking place (without assuming anything about the correctness of what is being said), and to a brief statement by Le Figaro on its action as a result of the debate. I have therefore stated in the lead only that a debate is taking place. No doubt we will be able to add more later. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 08:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
( talk) 21:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
@ User:Kurgbe: Excuse me! All the doubtful claims have been removed; there is no cause for the tag to remain indefinitely, given that any reason there may have been for its presence is now gone. Why has it been reinserted? It is quite inappropriate to the current article, whatever people may have thought about how it was formerly. Also, people may have been referring to French Wikipedia, not this article. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 13:07, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I confess I am somewhat mystified both by another editor's resurrecting their old arguments, none of which I think apply any longer. I am also bemused by the fact that they reverted my edit to the lead, which did nothing more than summarize the body of the article which is now reliably cited. We do not in general cite the lead when it does this, for the sufficient reason that the citations in the body demonstrate that the lead is verifiable. The edits indeed restored a claim that the editor's tag actually disagrees, namely that she was a professional conservationist - one that I don't think is true, did not claim in the revised lead, and don't wish to maintain either. Since, therefore, we violently AGREE that the text is wrong, it seems necessary to replace it at once.
So, why should we not summarize the lead here? - No reason at all, I suggest. Let's put the improved lead back. I'll even cite it, per exceptionem. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 14:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
@ user:Kurgbe: It is not acceptable to edit-war non-agreed changes into a fully-cited text, nor to insert uncited materials into a WP:BLP article.
Your claim, in the lead (!), that "Ester Kerr wrote a child book based on Francine Neago manuscripts on her adventureous (sic) life with animals.<ref name=Uturat/><ref name=Facebook/>" is not acceptable. Firstly, Neago's name appears on the cover of the book as the first author, as actually shown (and, we realize, necessarily shown) in the article. Secondly, Facebook is not an acceptable source for any claim beyond what is already stated, that there is a debate going on there; we can't rely on anything that is said on that site as anybody can edit it, and is doing so. Thirdly, the book "A young orangutan in a loving home" cannot be described as "her adventureous life with animals", even if that had been spelt correctly.
I propose therefore (rather than just reverting the changes as wrong and inadequately cited, which would be justified in these circumstances) the text "and co-author of a book on bringing up a young orangutan". Chiswick Chap ( talk) 06:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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