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So now, with the latest addition, we have the schizophrenic paragraph that follows:
Well, was Frances named after the singer, or after Frances Farmer? We can't give two contradicting versions like this, unless we can attribute them to different sources. Everyking 23:49, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I restored the old version because it seems more likely. We might want to include a sentence about how some people think she was named after Frances Farmer, I don't know about that. Everyking 05:46, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"Frances just recently knew about the details about her father's death, by her mother." - what date is that referring to? Relative times like "recently" make no sense in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia.
Yogi de 15:06, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Cobain's mother waited until she had turned 13 to tell her the circumstances surrounding her father's death."
I think we should include both, just in case...-- FlareNUKE 23:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Courtney was actually the one who told Frances about her father's suicide, when she was 7 years old.
I'll take Courtenay Cox for Francesca on her own wedding (or whatever) on Sept. 2001 or whatever. THANKS for playin.' 24.69.75.43 ( talk) 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
This is a bit confusing: "After her father's death on 4 April 1994, custody of her went to her mother until the latter was arrested after an OxyContin overdose in October 2003." So she went into her mother's custody until 6 months earlier? Can someone clarify this? Bjornkri 09:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
GOOGLE THE JOHN BOYD ACTIVITY I SAW FRANCIS BEAN COBAIN AT THE CIRCLE JERKS SHOW ON 1.4.08 AT THE FONDA MUSIC BOX BUT FAILED TO GIVE HER MY PRANK CALL CD'S SADLY,SORRY BEAN,NEXT TIME I SEE DREW I GIVE HER A FEW JUST FOR U!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.6.176.201 ( talk) 12:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me but the general concencus seems to be that frances was indeed named after frances farmer, the evidence is there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.11.42 ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC).
The subject of this article is a child. She may have been dragged through the newspapers by her parents, but she has not herself done anything noteworthy. There is no justification for this article. Individual children should not be discussed by name on Wikipedia, for their own protection. I request a vote for deletion. -- Doric Loon 12:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
It is mentioned that she is a fan of American Idol and attended the season 5 finale. This is impossible since season 5 has barely started. Did the writer mean Season 4 or should ths line be deleted?
User:TruthHurts 03:09, 27 January 2005
03-01-07
I think the article sounds like its about her father and mother. I mean you could just include it in the beginning as links to the respective wiki pages. Probably needs an update and filter out some of the details on her father's demise. I mean it just seems that the statement "her father committed suicide when she was ?? " well its just an opinion
blueboy
07-12-10
I also request this page for deletion. So far she has done nothing valid with her life for it to be on Wikipedia. If anything, this should be a redirection to Kurt Cobain under "Legality issues". She doesn't need her ego boosted any further. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbiallen ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
abbiallen
"On 1 April 1994 was the last time Frances' saw her father alive. The two of them played and Kurt sang to his daughter. He told his daughter before leaving that she was his everything and that he loved her."
This is speculation. If no one can back this up with proof within the next few days I may erase it.
"A few days later on 5 April 1994 Kurt Cobain headed up to greenhouse. He looked at how much his beloved daughter had grown and head up the staircase."
I KNOW this is false. I am 99% sure that Courtney was in L.A. at this time and I assume that Francis was with her. Either way, it is even more speculation that is not backed up by any source. Flyerhell 09:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
"Court records that referred to the minor child or had references to domestic violence, were sealed." - This confusing sentence at the bottom is actually speculating about what might be in sealed documents. Probably should be cut. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
156.34.216.135 (
talk) 07:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
that comment is now supported and linked, and revised, so should not be cut unless you are trying to whitewash things.
Meat Eating Orchid (
talk)
18:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/images.php?imageid=6777 (though a bit dated).
In case you really want to use that picture, a better quality picture can be found on various websites, and credit goes to Kevin Mazur who took it.
I have some photos that she has taken of herself that can be found on Facebook/MySpace. Are there copyright issues here?
Stateoftheloved (
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23:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Courtney is Jewish, which makes Frances Jewish also.
Wrong, Courtney is not jewish, and Frances isn't jewish either. Not that it's a bad thing, please don't get me wrong, but they're really not.
I think it's funny when people feel they have to point out there is nothing wrong with a fact like, "She's not Jewish." It goes without saying there is nothing wrong with being or not being Jewish, so no qualification is necessary. And Sarge Baldy is right - it is not a race, but an ethno-religious identity. There are no genetic tests to determine one's religious identification.-- DavidShankBone 18:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
actually, jews refer to themselves as jewish, especially if their MOTHER was of jewish or hebrew descent. that is how it is officially determined. Religion? we are talking about descent. That's family and bloodlines, not religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.215.130.114 ( talk) 09:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
So wait David.. Wait.. What you are saying is that a person doesn't have to be a part of the ethnicity that they are a part of if they do not identify with it? 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 07:43, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
He checked himself out of the rehab center that night and returned home to Seattle.
The Kurt Cobain article on qikipedia doesn't have this. It states he just climbed over the fence and left, which is possibly to be understood as "ran away". Which one is true? Both?
I can't fix the one article which is wrong (referencing WP as an information source is a bad thing, right? Right). Someone do this?
-- Cyhatch 17:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
can someone expand on this trivia point? wtf does Maynard James Keenan have to do with the shirts? did he create them? GURT 17:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
^I'm having the same issues, the sentence isn't clear enough. Can someone with more information edit this please? Shaybear♥
Shouldn't this page be at Frances Cobain? The middle names of people aren't generally included in the title of their WP articles - her father's page isn't located at Kurt Donald Cobain (I realise that a re-direct does exist at that location but the main article itself isn't at that location........) ChrisTheDude 11:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the name "Bean" isn't just a middle name, it is also a nickname and she is known by it. At times she has been called just Bean and that has been also publicly used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.126.77 ( talk) 23:23, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I wonder if she'll launch her own music career, in the manner of Kelly Osbourne? I know this isn't really talk page material as it's violating WP:CRYSTAL, but it'll be something to watch out for in the future...-- HisSpaceResearch 16:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Dind't Kurt Cobain scape? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.241.38.16 ( talk) 23:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
It is. -- FlareNUKE 04:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've done my best to do something with this article, but it still needs a lot of work.. I've also added the only image I could find that these isn't a copyright issue with.It's not a very clear one, but it'll have to suffice for the moment. I also removed the neutrality tag, as I couldn't see the problem with the article in that respect to begin with, and I can't seem to find any discussion here. Hope that's alright Suzarella 17:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I've just cleaned up some grammar and sentence structures, no biggy! Stateoftheloved ( talk) 23:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
An editor has been adding this information to the article. The first several times it was unsourced. Then the source was a fan site and I couldn't see where the information was on there. Now the information is sourced by a reference to a recent VH1 documentary. I haven't see the documentary, so I don't know how accurate this is. My main concern is that I can't find this information anywhere. Google doesn't even turn up anything on this guy--let alone him dating Frances Cobain. Has anybody see the documentary? janejellyroll 09:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
This picture is absolute crap. Surely someone has a better one? You cant see her at all with this one. (I have one with her and courtney but im not sure what the copyright is) Ka5hmir 07:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
"Kurt Cobain was found dead in his home on the morning of April 8, 1994. " on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain sais it was 5 April (i remember to be 4 .. but maybe 5 is the official date) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelye ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
He died on either the 4th or the 5th (coroner was never conclusive). He was FOUND on the 8th by a repairman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.122.143 ( talk) 08:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Doc_glasgow replaced this page with a reidirect to Kurt Cobain. That doesn't seem right to me. While she's obviously famous because she's the daughter of Kurt and Courtney, that doesn't mean she hasn't become famous in her own right. WP:NOTE says "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." There have been dozens of articles about her, and probably hundreds that mention her in connection to Kurt or Courtney.
It's also hard to take concerns about her privacy too seriously when she doesn't seem shy about talking to the press Binarybits 19:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
She has done interviews and photo sessions with the US media, so therefore she is in the public eye. There will always be interest in Francis Cobain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.202.79 ( talk) 14:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
She isn't notable. All of her "notability" is in relation to her parents, Love and Cobain. Her page contains nothing worthwhile whatsoever. 206.125.94.244 ( talk) 21:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely agree that this should be deleted. Pages like this, which look like they're ripped from Seventeen magazine, is why Wikipedia will never be taken seriously as an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.179.157.121 ( talk) 09:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a very clear standard in place for notability and this article does not meet any of those items. Based on Wikipedia standards this article clearly is not suited for inclusion in any encyclopedia and should be deleted. Evan1261 ( talk) 20:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
75.66.68.37 and 75.66.85.89 have repeatedly added the following sentence: "She also knows Victoria Burge. While her mother was filming The People Vs. Larry Flynt in Memphis, TN, the two attended The Maria Montessori School for a short time." I have no idea who Victoria Burge is. She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, and there's no evidence of notability. Adding random, trivial information about completely non-notable people seems obviously unencyclopedic. Binarybits ( talk) 18:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Victoria Burge is actually really well-known in certain parts of the country. She's a pretty popular singer in Tennessee and has had a few hits down there. She was covered in the Commercial Appeal and a few other papers in that area. People would probably be interested to know that they know each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookiebabycool ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Does Frances attend a high school? Since she's turning eighteen in August, I assume she is a senior. There are no details on her high school education. ★ Dasani★ 07:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Why is she an american singer if she only sang in one REM song as a guest. To me she is still only Kurt's daughter and her future remains unknown. It's a little premature to say she is a singer, she has done nothing in music yet! absurd ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.3.218 ( talk) 19:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
"She is an only child, raised solely by her mother after her father's death when she was twenty months old.[4]"
Except for the times she has been taken from her mother and all the stage hands who her mother dumped her on while on tour, and except for pretty much everyone who had to help her drugged out mother raise her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.170.240 ( talk) 05:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
AND, I wish people would stop with the "only child of" thing. That's clearly very dear to someone but NOT factual at all. It's an assumption made by an apparently naive and uninformed person who doesn't realize that she may be the only child who has been publicized, but who knows how many he really had? Where did Kurt Cobain ever say that he had only one child? please provide that quote , and that link. I guarantee it doesn't exist. Therefore that very wishful assumption is not VERIFIABLE and inappropriate to this type of subject matter. If you're not personally well acquainted, then you simply don't know the most private details of rockstars' or really, any celebrity's life, and shouldn't presume facts not in actual provable evidence. Thanks. Meat Eating Orchid ( talk) 09:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually, NEITHER PARENT nor any grandparent, has ever come out and said that she is the only child of kurt's so this false assumption should not be used. In most cases of a historical "only child", it is indeed verifiable and family members actually back it up. But some of us, knowing the families involved, would never come out and say that about this particular case. And the text does not say anything about her being the only child that the two parents had together, so the word "only" should not be used, since it would also require further clarification that she is the only child BETWEEN THE TWO PARENTS. Just leave it out, since doing so would be appropriate and indicates ONE child, but without the false implications of saying "only". People assume there are no other children of EITHER parent and that is just not likely, well supported, historically proven, or factual at all. It is a mere presumption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.126.77 ( talk) 23:11, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't look like these have been incorporated into the article yet, both from major media outlets:
Nika, Colleen (August 18, 2011),
Frances Bean Cobain: Fashion's Timely New Muse,
Rolling Stone {{
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Considine, Austin (August 12, 2011),
Not Just Kurt Cobain’s and Courtney Love’s Little Girl,
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Cheers, postdlf ( talk) 21:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry but my first thought when I saw legal issues was to scroll down quickly and see exactly what kind of trouble the young lady had got her self into. Though the legal issues pertained to her she had no legal issues her self. 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 21:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
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Really it amazes me how some elitist members of wiki leaks can argue over semantics of things yet.. They don't know how to form permanent links for articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.57.7.99 ( talk) 17:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
This makes no sense (bolded portion):
Cobain's early years growing up were in Seattle and Los Angeles, where she attended classes of aesthetics, animation visual art and literal creation.
It's also not cited, so I'm deleting it.
Sugarbat ( talk) 17:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the Early life section reads:
Methinks it would be worthwhile to add an additional sentence to said paragraph, one that reads:
Of course, one would want to provide a citation for this new sentence if one were to decide to add it. One source is the book CoMe aS YoU ARe: The Story of Nirvana by Michael Azerrad.
Methinks the fact that events that took place in Frances Cobain’s prenatal life inspired a song makes this notable and worthy of inclusion. Thoughts?
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So now, with the latest addition, we have the schizophrenic paragraph that follows:
Well, was Frances named after the singer, or after Frances Farmer? We can't give two contradicting versions like this, unless we can attribute them to different sources. Everyking 23:49, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I restored the old version because it seems more likely. We might want to include a sentence about how some people think she was named after Frances Farmer, I don't know about that. Everyking 05:46, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"Frances just recently knew about the details about her father's death, by her mother." - what date is that referring to? Relative times like "recently" make no sense in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia.
Yogi de 15:06, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Cobain's mother waited until she had turned 13 to tell her the circumstances surrounding her father's death."
I think we should include both, just in case...-- FlareNUKE 23:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Courtney was actually the one who told Frances about her father's suicide, when she was 7 years old.
I'll take Courtenay Cox for Francesca on her own wedding (or whatever) on Sept. 2001 or whatever. THANKS for playin.' 24.69.75.43 ( talk) 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
This is a bit confusing: "After her father's death on 4 April 1994, custody of her went to her mother until the latter was arrested after an OxyContin overdose in October 2003." So she went into her mother's custody until 6 months earlier? Can someone clarify this? Bjornkri 09:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
GOOGLE THE JOHN BOYD ACTIVITY I SAW FRANCIS BEAN COBAIN AT THE CIRCLE JERKS SHOW ON 1.4.08 AT THE FONDA MUSIC BOX BUT FAILED TO GIVE HER MY PRANK CALL CD'S SADLY,SORRY BEAN,NEXT TIME I SEE DREW I GIVE HER A FEW JUST FOR U!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.6.176.201 ( talk) 12:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me but the general concencus seems to be that frances was indeed named after frances farmer, the evidence is there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.11.42 ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC).
The subject of this article is a child. She may have been dragged through the newspapers by her parents, but she has not herself done anything noteworthy. There is no justification for this article. Individual children should not be discussed by name on Wikipedia, for their own protection. I request a vote for deletion. -- Doric Loon 12:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
It is mentioned that she is a fan of American Idol and attended the season 5 finale. This is impossible since season 5 has barely started. Did the writer mean Season 4 or should ths line be deleted?
User:TruthHurts 03:09, 27 January 2005
03-01-07
I think the article sounds like its about her father and mother. I mean you could just include it in the beginning as links to the respective wiki pages. Probably needs an update and filter out some of the details on her father's demise. I mean it just seems that the statement "her father committed suicide when she was ?? " well its just an opinion
blueboy
07-12-10
I also request this page for deletion. So far she has done nothing valid with her life for it to be on Wikipedia. If anything, this should be a redirection to Kurt Cobain under "Legality issues". She doesn't need her ego boosted any further. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbiallen ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
abbiallen
"On 1 April 1994 was the last time Frances' saw her father alive. The two of them played and Kurt sang to his daughter. He told his daughter before leaving that she was his everything and that he loved her."
This is speculation. If no one can back this up with proof within the next few days I may erase it.
"A few days later on 5 April 1994 Kurt Cobain headed up to greenhouse. He looked at how much his beloved daughter had grown and head up the staircase."
I KNOW this is false. I am 99% sure that Courtney was in L.A. at this time and I assume that Francis was with her. Either way, it is even more speculation that is not backed up by any source. Flyerhell 09:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
"Court records that referred to the minor child or had references to domestic violence, were sealed." - This confusing sentence at the bottom is actually speculating about what might be in sealed documents. Probably should be cut. —Preceding
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156.34.216.135 (
talk) 07:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
that comment is now supported and linked, and revised, so should not be cut unless you are trying to whitewash things.
Meat Eating Orchid (
talk)
18:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/images.php?imageid=6777 (though a bit dated).
In case you really want to use that picture, a better quality picture can be found on various websites, and credit goes to Kevin Mazur who took it.
I have some photos that she has taken of herself that can be found on Facebook/MySpace. Are there copyright issues here?
Stateoftheloved (
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23:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Courtney is Jewish, which makes Frances Jewish also.
Wrong, Courtney is not jewish, and Frances isn't jewish either. Not that it's a bad thing, please don't get me wrong, but they're really not.
I think it's funny when people feel they have to point out there is nothing wrong with a fact like, "She's not Jewish." It goes without saying there is nothing wrong with being or not being Jewish, so no qualification is necessary. And Sarge Baldy is right - it is not a race, but an ethno-religious identity. There are no genetic tests to determine one's religious identification.-- DavidShankBone 18:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
actually, jews refer to themselves as jewish, especially if their MOTHER was of jewish or hebrew descent. that is how it is officially determined. Religion? we are talking about descent. That's family and bloodlines, not religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.215.130.114 ( talk) 09:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
So wait David.. Wait.. What you are saying is that a person doesn't have to be a part of the ethnicity that they are a part of if they do not identify with it? 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 07:43, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
He checked himself out of the rehab center that night and returned home to Seattle.
The Kurt Cobain article on qikipedia doesn't have this. It states he just climbed over the fence and left, which is possibly to be understood as "ran away". Which one is true? Both?
I can't fix the one article which is wrong (referencing WP as an information source is a bad thing, right? Right). Someone do this?
-- Cyhatch 17:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
can someone expand on this trivia point? wtf does Maynard James Keenan have to do with the shirts? did he create them? GURT 17:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
^I'm having the same issues, the sentence isn't clear enough. Can someone with more information edit this please? Shaybear♥
Shouldn't this page be at Frances Cobain? The middle names of people aren't generally included in the title of their WP articles - her father's page isn't located at Kurt Donald Cobain (I realise that a re-direct does exist at that location but the main article itself isn't at that location........) ChrisTheDude 11:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the name "Bean" isn't just a middle name, it is also a nickname and she is known by it. At times she has been called just Bean and that has been also publicly used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.126.77 ( talk) 23:23, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I wonder if she'll launch her own music career, in the manner of Kelly Osbourne? I know this isn't really talk page material as it's violating WP:CRYSTAL, but it'll be something to watch out for in the future...-- HisSpaceResearch 16:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Dind't Kurt Cobain scape? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.241.38.16 ( talk) 23:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
It is. -- FlareNUKE 04:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've done my best to do something with this article, but it still needs a lot of work.. I've also added the only image I could find that these isn't a copyright issue with.It's not a very clear one, but it'll have to suffice for the moment. I also removed the neutrality tag, as I couldn't see the problem with the article in that respect to begin with, and I can't seem to find any discussion here. Hope that's alright Suzarella 17:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I've just cleaned up some grammar and sentence structures, no biggy! Stateoftheloved ( talk) 23:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
An editor has been adding this information to the article. The first several times it was unsourced. Then the source was a fan site and I couldn't see where the information was on there. Now the information is sourced by a reference to a recent VH1 documentary. I haven't see the documentary, so I don't know how accurate this is. My main concern is that I can't find this information anywhere. Google doesn't even turn up anything on this guy--let alone him dating Frances Cobain. Has anybody see the documentary? janejellyroll 09:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
This picture is absolute crap. Surely someone has a better one? You cant see her at all with this one. (I have one with her and courtney but im not sure what the copyright is) Ka5hmir 07:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
"Kurt Cobain was found dead in his home on the morning of April 8, 1994. " on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain sais it was 5 April (i remember to be 4 .. but maybe 5 is the official date) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelye ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
He died on either the 4th or the 5th (coroner was never conclusive). He was FOUND on the 8th by a repairman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.122.143 ( talk) 08:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Doc_glasgow replaced this page with a reidirect to Kurt Cobain. That doesn't seem right to me. While she's obviously famous because she's the daughter of Kurt and Courtney, that doesn't mean she hasn't become famous in her own right. WP:NOTE says "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." There have been dozens of articles about her, and probably hundreds that mention her in connection to Kurt or Courtney.
It's also hard to take concerns about her privacy too seriously when she doesn't seem shy about talking to the press Binarybits 19:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
She has done interviews and photo sessions with the US media, so therefore she is in the public eye. There will always be interest in Francis Cobain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.202.79 ( talk) 14:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
She isn't notable. All of her "notability" is in relation to her parents, Love and Cobain. Her page contains nothing worthwhile whatsoever. 206.125.94.244 ( talk) 21:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely agree that this should be deleted. Pages like this, which look like they're ripped from Seventeen magazine, is why Wikipedia will never be taken seriously as an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.179.157.121 ( talk) 09:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a very clear standard in place for notability and this article does not meet any of those items. Based on Wikipedia standards this article clearly is not suited for inclusion in any encyclopedia and should be deleted. Evan1261 ( talk) 20:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
75.66.68.37 and 75.66.85.89 have repeatedly added the following sentence: "She also knows Victoria Burge. While her mother was filming The People Vs. Larry Flynt in Memphis, TN, the two attended The Maria Montessori School for a short time." I have no idea who Victoria Burge is. She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, and there's no evidence of notability. Adding random, trivial information about completely non-notable people seems obviously unencyclopedic. Binarybits ( talk) 18:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Victoria Burge is actually really well-known in certain parts of the country. She's a pretty popular singer in Tennessee and has had a few hits down there. She was covered in the Commercial Appeal and a few other papers in that area. People would probably be interested to know that they know each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookiebabycool ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Does Frances attend a high school? Since she's turning eighteen in August, I assume she is a senior. There are no details on her high school education. ★ Dasani★ 07:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Why is she an american singer if she only sang in one REM song as a guest. To me she is still only Kurt's daughter and her future remains unknown. It's a little premature to say she is a singer, she has done nothing in music yet! absurd ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.3.218 ( talk) 19:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
"She is an only child, raised solely by her mother after her father's death when she was twenty months old.[4]"
Except for the times she has been taken from her mother and all the stage hands who her mother dumped her on while on tour, and except for pretty much everyone who had to help her drugged out mother raise her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.170.240 ( talk) 05:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
AND, I wish people would stop with the "only child of" thing. That's clearly very dear to someone but NOT factual at all. It's an assumption made by an apparently naive and uninformed person who doesn't realize that she may be the only child who has been publicized, but who knows how many he really had? Where did Kurt Cobain ever say that he had only one child? please provide that quote , and that link. I guarantee it doesn't exist. Therefore that very wishful assumption is not VERIFIABLE and inappropriate to this type of subject matter. If you're not personally well acquainted, then you simply don't know the most private details of rockstars' or really, any celebrity's life, and shouldn't presume facts not in actual provable evidence. Thanks. Meat Eating Orchid ( talk) 09:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually, NEITHER PARENT nor any grandparent, has ever come out and said that she is the only child of kurt's so this false assumption should not be used. In most cases of a historical "only child", it is indeed verifiable and family members actually back it up. But some of us, knowing the families involved, would never come out and say that about this particular case. And the text does not say anything about her being the only child that the two parents had together, so the word "only" should not be used, since it would also require further clarification that she is the only child BETWEEN THE TWO PARENTS. Just leave it out, since doing so would be appropriate and indicates ONE child, but without the false implications of saying "only". People assume there are no other children of EITHER parent and that is just not likely, well supported, historically proven, or factual at all. It is a mere presumption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.126.77 ( talk) 23:11, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't look like these have been incorporated into the article yet, both from major media outlets:
Nika, Colleen (August 18, 2011),
Frances Bean Cobain: Fashion's Timely New Muse,
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Cheers, postdlf ( talk) 21:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry but my first thought when I saw legal issues was to scroll down quickly and see exactly what kind of trouble the young lady had got her self into. Though the legal issues pertained to her she had no legal issues her self. 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 21:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
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Really it amazes me how some elitist members of wiki leaks can argue over semantics of things yet.. They don't know how to form permanent links for articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.57.7.99 ( talk) 17:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
This makes no sense (bolded portion):
Cobain's early years growing up were in Seattle and Los Angeles, where she attended classes of aesthetics, animation visual art and literal creation.
It's also not cited, so I'm deleting it.
Sugarbat ( talk) 17:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the Early life section reads:
Methinks it would be worthwhile to add an additional sentence to said paragraph, one that reads:
Of course, one would want to provide a citation for this new sentence if one were to decide to add it. One source is the book CoMe aS YoU ARe: The Story of Nirvana by Michael Azerrad.
Methinks the fact that events that took place in Frances Cobain’s prenatal life inspired a song makes this notable and worthy of inclusion. Thoughts?
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There is a hidden comment in the infobox saying not to remove the photo without discussing it on the talk page. Well, I am being bold by removing the photo and starting this discussion at the same time. To quote the comment, it says: "...Wikipedia isn't about only using "good looking" pictures, we use free use until another one is available.". The simple counter to that is we don't have to have a picture at all. My problem is not about whether this is a "good looking" picture, it is about what benefit the reader would gain from it. In this case, the answer is quite obviously "not much at all". There are thousands of pictures of Cobain on Google images if somebody really wants to see what she looks like. Having this photo is of no benefit. This is not the only biography on Wikipedia that will be lacking an image. AtHomeIn神戸 ( talk) 00:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
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