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"The French government hopes that such a channel will be able to counter the Anglophone sphere of influence with the BBC, CNN, Sky News and VOA, which grew in importance with the Iraq war as America & Britain were on the allied side."
This sounds like anybody else, including France and my own country, Canada, were on the 'other' side, whatever that really means. It really must be reworded somehow. -- RobNS 20:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
"The Daily Telegraph claimed on 16 March 2006 that only 4 hours per day will be broadcast in French, with the rest broadcast in English."
This is wrong. There will be two channels, one entirely in French and one in English with four hours of French. The journalist how wrote the article in The Daily Telegraph has clearly been confused. 80.202.239.135 14:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have corrected the offical website to france24.com rather than france24.fr. You will see that france24.fr redirects to france24.com anyway so there shouldn't be any disputes. I also removed the 'French' sign next to it. The final website will be in English as well. -- Mgill 08:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Apart from the language, what's the difference? Aren't they both available through sattelite? Maybe such a clarification should be added. -- Michkalas 15:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The difference is that TV5Monde has been founded and is financed by the Francophonie international organization (the french speaking equivalent of the Commonwealth). While France24 is strictly french. -- 90.30.131.119 16:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
One major difference is that TV5 Monde is only an aggregation of French language programmes already broadcast in their country of origin by a state-funded channel. These include news, TV series, TV features, etc. TV5 Monde does not produce its programmes, it "re=broadcasts" others'. France 24 produces its programmes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.239.198 ( talk) 09:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I have protected the page due to the edit war that was raging here. Please discuss what needs to be done with the article here, not on dozens of user talk pages. Kusma (討論) 09:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thx Divol 10:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Please add this link to the article's "External links" section:
Please add these links to the article's "See also" section:
As suggested by Kusma before, here's my take on the current revision of the page: As I understand the long-term goals aren't quite the way they are stated here. The problem isn't so much the fact that CNN and BBC World are anglophone, but that they don't emphasize cultural aspects/differences enough. Also, I don't like the choice of the word counter. My suggestion: "The French government hopes that France 24 will be able to provide a different view on the world news than BBC World and CNN International,..."
About the info block: there are three satellites listed, but as I recall, there are six; three that carry only the English language channel, and three that carry both the English and the French language channel. Sadly, I don't know the names of the satellites. And finally, about the Trivia: the name is simply France Vingt-Quatre and not France Twenty Four; the trivia seem to suggest that's odd when the program is English-spoken. I propose we remove the trivia and instead mention that the correct way to pronounce the name is in French at the top of the article. -- Wijnand 10:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
It should be noted that the France 24 website does not work (the video feed that is) in Firefox. Quite an oversight on their part.
Is it only funded by the French government? I'm pretty sure I've just seen ads on France 24.
"The network has a budget of 86m euros (£58m) a year. That compares with 900m euros for CNN." France launches world TV channel, BBC News, 6.10.2006. Maybe it is important to make the comparison to show if the annual budget of France 24 is a lot of money for this purpose or not.-- Michkalas 22:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
We frequently state the type of file or format of external links. For example the templates {{ fr icon}} or {{ PDF}} are frequently employed. Te fact that this website is not fully compatible with all browsers is just as relevant. Please cite sources that state that it isnt relevant before deleting. Also, please see WP:OWN as it seems as though this may become an issue here. -- Bob 23:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Get off your high horse and cease being a dick I guess you think that I wrote this as well! The next time you make an accusation, show proof. -- Bob 15:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
this one. -- Bob 00:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Where did I state that that was the case? I merely stated that it is not compatible with all browsers, which is the case. Quite simple. -- Bob 00:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
What article? It is the help page from france24 that states quite clearly that it is not set up for all browsers and that the video feeds are for WMP compatible players. If you find this hard to understand, take a moment and digest, then come back. -- Bob 00:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
My French is perfect. Read the page, then whine because your argument has been shot down in flames. Please explain to me wheer it states that it is fully compatible with all browsers and that video feeds can be viewed with all players. If you cannot show me exactly where it states this, then your argument is dead in the water and what I previously stated, that their website is not compatible with all browsers, is true. -- Bob 00:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
It is not compatible with all browsers, fact. The video feeds are not compatible with all media players, fact. If you are unable to understand this then it is your problem, not ours. Also, those that berrate the grammar of others on a website (and boasts of his prowess in correcting grammar and spelling) really should get out more.... (especially when said person makes simple mistakes himself)-- Bob 08:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
We can choose some material from the following articles to expand the article or we can use them as references to statements already included. Most are from prestigious medias with their own correspondent in Paris.
In French:
-- Michkalas 12:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Bob, I counsel you to follow the example of Michkalas - a user who actually knows how to write articles. There is a big difference between enraged blog-followers with outdated software and too much time on their hands and professional journalists (although the journalists aren't always right, either). Do us all a favour, Bob, and find something constructive to add to this article. Sinon, casse-toi. -- Aquarelle 23:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Be more polite in future, and I will be polite to you. You inferred that I go around inventing things just to post here! How often are journalists wrong? You yourself have stated that the info you have gotten from news sources has been wrong. If we are to quote journalists within the article text, then a source that states that you must have WMP or similar to view the videos is notable. Being that the best source is the website itself and you wish to ignore that source (for reasons best known only to you), and the fact that you are being insulting when responding, I have every right to invoke WP:DICK as that is how you are acting. I have added constructive things to this article since it was over at the CFII page, including the infobox (which needs updating since its launch). Cease acting like a WP:DICK in your commentary and we will all get along. -- Bob 00:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Oui, je pourrais.... mais je ne suis pas un enfant comme toi. -- Bob 00:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Because you are so intelligent. Quite pathetic really. Thanks but no thanks. -- Bob 00:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I could take sides in this 'discussion', but I won't - I'm gonna be Fair and Balanced, just like Fox News. (</sarcasm>.) Seriously though, I hope I don't see any more of this this pointless back-and-forth, it's on the verge of becoming an essay in trolling and you're both pushing this discussion page right off-topic, it's not relevant.
Keep the quality contributions coming, though...
Christopher 13:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I just watched France 24 and I saw a feature before news, what reminds me news countdown at BBC. A minute before news they play a theme melody, and show very short video clips flashing and a clock is counting down to the news. It looks for me like they also started to do a countdown to news (like BBC is doing before their news). -- Tarmo Tanilsoo 16:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I added a section to the article on the equipment used in the newsroom, because this was of interest to me ... I hope this is useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.51.17.250 ( talk) 07:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I deleted references to the channels of Groupe TF1 and France Televisions — France 24 never talks about those other channels (but can sometimes use their images), and is not part of a whole thing. Simply logic when you know F24 is owned by two competitors in the domestic market.
Also, notice TF1 is really turned to entertainment, not to quality news. France Televisions is lost between audience-making and public service programmation. So it looks then that the channel's fundings do not have a real meaning. These are funds, nothing more. What makes its guidelines is something else than the origin of its funds, because it is quite impossible to find any striking resemblance to TF1's or France 2's guidelines. 82.240.207.81 ( talk) 23:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I will look for information about the upcoming merge with french international radio RFI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamouaa ( talk • contribs) 17:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I have taken out non-existent links on this page. This edit has been undone once - so just to explain here that there is no advantage to having links which don't exist. All it does is look messy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uvghifds ( talk • contribs) 16:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
The pronunciation and the IPA at the beginning of the article are at odds with one another. It says it is pronounced France van-cat but the IPA reads something like Fghaws vat catgh. Certainly, "France" is not pronounced the same in French as in English, so that bit of the pronunciation is wrong; on the other hand, I don't believe the t in the "vingt" of "vingt-quatre" is ever pronounced, so that bit of the IPA is probably wrong. For the rest, it's very likely that different people pronounce it differently, but some effort should be made to make the pronunciation and the IPA agree. 95.44.50.222 ( talk) 08:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
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does anyone have a citation to use for the launch date for France 24? I am not questioning the data in this article. I am simply saying, any specific date data is always better, if we can provide at least one useful citation. I think that the network's own website would be fine as a source for this data. thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:57, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
You should clearly mention that the channel is clearly established to serve France’s propaganda Worldwide as an answer to other propaganda channels such as BBC, RT, Al Jazeera etc. ErbekBozok ( talk) 16:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Not adhering to WP:NPOV. (TW) When saying that many viewers and journalist say that France 24 is a state owned propaganda channel however it is mentioned in article about another channel called TRT World. Wikipedia should be fair and remove this from TRT World paragraph or add the same criticism on France 24 Wikipedia page. https://books.google.ae/books?id=-LqKDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=france+24+propaganda+channel&source=bl&ots=YkMfzjEYAw&sig=ACfU3U15FocVYVqv8ODPfIq1yHfXPjvR7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi229va76fpAhUIyYUKHaRMAJg4ChDoATABegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=france%2024%20propaganda%20channel&f=false ErbekBozok ( talk) 22:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
yeah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.10.153 ( talk) 21:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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"The French government hopes that such a channel will be able to counter the Anglophone sphere of influence with the BBC, CNN, Sky News and VOA, which grew in importance with the Iraq war as America & Britain were on the allied side."
This sounds like anybody else, including France and my own country, Canada, were on the 'other' side, whatever that really means. It really must be reworded somehow. -- RobNS 20:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
"The Daily Telegraph claimed on 16 March 2006 that only 4 hours per day will be broadcast in French, with the rest broadcast in English."
This is wrong. There will be two channels, one entirely in French and one in English with four hours of French. The journalist how wrote the article in The Daily Telegraph has clearly been confused. 80.202.239.135 14:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have corrected the offical website to france24.com rather than france24.fr. You will see that france24.fr redirects to france24.com anyway so there shouldn't be any disputes. I also removed the 'French' sign next to it. The final website will be in English as well. -- Mgill 08:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Apart from the language, what's the difference? Aren't they both available through sattelite? Maybe such a clarification should be added. -- Michkalas 15:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The difference is that TV5Monde has been founded and is financed by the Francophonie international organization (the french speaking equivalent of the Commonwealth). While France24 is strictly french. -- 90.30.131.119 16:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
One major difference is that TV5 Monde is only an aggregation of French language programmes already broadcast in their country of origin by a state-funded channel. These include news, TV series, TV features, etc. TV5 Monde does not produce its programmes, it "re=broadcasts" others'. France 24 produces its programmes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.239.198 ( talk) 09:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I have protected the page due to the edit war that was raging here. Please discuss what needs to be done with the article here, not on dozens of user talk pages. Kusma (討論) 09:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thx Divol 10:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Please add this link to the article's "External links" section:
Please add these links to the article's "See also" section:
As suggested by Kusma before, here's my take on the current revision of the page: As I understand the long-term goals aren't quite the way they are stated here. The problem isn't so much the fact that CNN and BBC World are anglophone, but that they don't emphasize cultural aspects/differences enough. Also, I don't like the choice of the word counter. My suggestion: "The French government hopes that France 24 will be able to provide a different view on the world news than BBC World and CNN International,..."
About the info block: there are three satellites listed, but as I recall, there are six; three that carry only the English language channel, and three that carry both the English and the French language channel. Sadly, I don't know the names of the satellites. And finally, about the Trivia: the name is simply France Vingt-Quatre and not France Twenty Four; the trivia seem to suggest that's odd when the program is English-spoken. I propose we remove the trivia and instead mention that the correct way to pronounce the name is in French at the top of the article. -- Wijnand 10:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
It should be noted that the France 24 website does not work (the video feed that is) in Firefox. Quite an oversight on their part.
Is it only funded by the French government? I'm pretty sure I've just seen ads on France 24.
"The network has a budget of 86m euros (£58m) a year. That compares with 900m euros for CNN." France launches world TV channel, BBC News, 6.10.2006. Maybe it is important to make the comparison to show if the annual budget of France 24 is a lot of money for this purpose or not.-- Michkalas 22:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
We frequently state the type of file or format of external links. For example the templates {{ fr icon}} or {{ PDF}} are frequently employed. Te fact that this website is not fully compatible with all browsers is just as relevant. Please cite sources that state that it isnt relevant before deleting. Also, please see WP:OWN as it seems as though this may become an issue here. -- Bob 23:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Get off your high horse and cease being a dick I guess you think that I wrote this as well! The next time you make an accusation, show proof. -- Bob 15:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
this one. -- Bob 00:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Where did I state that that was the case? I merely stated that it is not compatible with all browsers, which is the case. Quite simple. -- Bob 00:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
What article? It is the help page from france24 that states quite clearly that it is not set up for all browsers and that the video feeds are for WMP compatible players. If you find this hard to understand, take a moment and digest, then come back. -- Bob 00:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
My French is perfect. Read the page, then whine because your argument has been shot down in flames. Please explain to me wheer it states that it is fully compatible with all browsers and that video feeds can be viewed with all players. If you cannot show me exactly where it states this, then your argument is dead in the water and what I previously stated, that their website is not compatible with all browsers, is true. -- Bob 00:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
It is not compatible with all browsers, fact. The video feeds are not compatible with all media players, fact. If you are unable to understand this then it is your problem, not ours. Also, those that berrate the grammar of others on a website (and boasts of his prowess in correcting grammar and spelling) really should get out more.... (especially when said person makes simple mistakes himself)-- Bob 08:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
We can choose some material from the following articles to expand the article or we can use them as references to statements already included. Most are from prestigious medias with their own correspondent in Paris.
In French:
-- Michkalas 12:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Bob, I counsel you to follow the example of Michkalas - a user who actually knows how to write articles. There is a big difference between enraged blog-followers with outdated software and too much time on their hands and professional journalists (although the journalists aren't always right, either). Do us all a favour, Bob, and find something constructive to add to this article. Sinon, casse-toi. -- Aquarelle 23:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Be more polite in future, and I will be polite to you. You inferred that I go around inventing things just to post here! How often are journalists wrong? You yourself have stated that the info you have gotten from news sources has been wrong. If we are to quote journalists within the article text, then a source that states that you must have WMP or similar to view the videos is notable. Being that the best source is the website itself and you wish to ignore that source (for reasons best known only to you), and the fact that you are being insulting when responding, I have every right to invoke WP:DICK as that is how you are acting. I have added constructive things to this article since it was over at the CFII page, including the infobox (which needs updating since its launch). Cease acting like a WP:DICK in your commentary and we will all get along. -- Bob 00:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Oui, je pourrais.... mais je ne suis pas un enfant comme toi. -- Bob 00:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Because you are so intelligent. Quite pathetic really. Thanks but no thanks. -- Bob 00:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I could take sides in this 'discussion', but I won't - I'm gonna be Fair and Balanced, just like Fox News. (</sarcasm>.) Seriously though, I hope I don't see any more of this this pointless back-and-forth, it's on the verge of becoming an essay in trolling and you're both pushing this discussion page right off-topic, it's not relevant.
Keep the quality contributions coming, though...
Christopher 13:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I just watched France 24 and I saw a feature before news, what reminds me news countdown at BBC. A minute before news they play a theme melody, and show very short video clips flashing and a clock is counting down to the news. It looks for me like they also started to do a countdown to news (like BBC is doing before their news). -- Tarmo Tanilsoo 16:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I added a section to the article on the equipment used in the newsroom, because this was of interest to me ... I hope this is useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.51.17.250 ( talk) 07:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I deleted references to the channels of Groupe TF1 and France Televisions — France 24 never talks about those other channels (but can sometimes use their images), and is not part of a whole thing. Simply logic when you know F24 is owned by two competitors in the domestic market.
Also, notice TF1 is really turned to entertainment, not to quality news. France Televisions is lost between audience-making and public service programmation. So it looks then that the channel's fundings do not have a real meaning. These are funds, nothing more. What makes its guidelines is something else than the origin of its funds, because it is quite impossible to find any striking resemblance to TF1's or France 2's guidelines. 82.240.207.81 ( talk) 23:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I will look for information about the upcoming merge with french international radio RFI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamouaa ( talk • contribs) 17:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I have taken out non-existent links on this page. This edit has been undone once - so just to explain here that there is no advantage to having links which don't exist. All it does is look messy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uvghifds ( talk • contribs) 16:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
The pronunciation and the IPA at the beginning of the article are at odds with one another. It says it is pronounced France van-cat but the IPA reads something like Fghaws vat catgh. Certainly, "France" is not pronounced the same in French as in English, so that bit of the pronunciation is wrong; on the other hand, I don't believe the t in the "vingt" of "vingt-quatre" is ever pronounced, so that bit of the IPA is probably wrong. For the rest, it's very likely that different people pronounce it differently, but some effort should be made to make the pronunciation and the IPA agree. 95.44.50.222 ( talk) 08:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
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does anyone have a citation to use for the launch date for France 24? I am not questioning the data in this article. I am simply saying, any specific date data is always better, if we can provide at least one useful citation. I think that the network's own website would be fine as a source for this data. thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:57, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
You should clearly mention that the channel is clearly established to serve France’s propaganda Worldwide as an answer to other propaganda channels such as BBC, RT, Al Jazeera etc. ErbekBozok ( talk) 16:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Not adhering to WP:NPOV. (TW) When saying that many viewers and journalist say that France 24 is a state owned propaganda channel however it is mentioned in article about another channel called TRT World. Wikipedia should be fair and remove this from TRT World paragraph or add the same criticism on France 24 Wikipedia page. https://books.google.ae/books?id=-LqKDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=france+24+propaganda+channel&source=bl&ots=YkMfzjEYAw&sig=ACfU3U15FocVYVqv8ODPfIq1yHfXPjvR7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi229va76fpAhUIyYUKHaRMAJg4ChDoATABegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=france%2024%20propaganda%20channel&f=false ErbekBozok ( talk) 22:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
yeah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.10.153 ( talk) 21:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Help build police trap me in gonna exploid big vibration bomb Kip police everywhere 71.67.41.34 ( talk) 04:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Just shot killed my kids I’m trapped in here the police here in building exploded in 30 mins or better I need help no please help me I’m a president of many nations I’m going die help Corbin Kentucky trillium center 71.67.41.34 ( talk) 05:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)