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Whoever wrote the bulk of this article is much more concerned with showing how smart they are than creating a helpful article; the whole damn thing needs to be rewritten. I'd do it myself, but I don't actually know anything about La Rochefoucauld. Someone please do some work here. Czoller ( talk) 15:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
He was a Freethinker, and atheist.
This page seems to be translated straight from the French version. As a result I see French constructions that don't flow very well in English ex "La Rochefoucauld was somewhat neglected in the matter of education, at least of the scholastic kind." It sounds fine in French but no one I know talks in English like that. I recommend that someone rewrites this to flow better. Te_aute
In French his name is spelled "de La", with an upper case L, and sorted alphabetically under L (La Rochefoucauld, François de). This English Wikipedia article spells his name "de la" with a lower case L. Is this by design, or just by mistake? The name is mentioned several times in the article using an upper case L.
There seem to be two different birthdates floating around in sources. Britannica 1911, current claims September 15, while two German encyclopedias (Brockhaus 1908, dtv 1992) say December 15. Anyone know what is correct? andy 12:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
"was the greatest maxim writer of France, one of her best memoir writers, and perhaps the most complete and accomplished representative of her ancient nobility."
1. 'the greatest maxim writier of France' strikes one as non-neutral. Perhaps we should consider revising to remove some subjectivity.
2. La Rochefoucauld was a man, not a woman. Unless I read that wrong, we should fix that.
Her refers to French, if I'm right.
Read the section on La Rochefoucald's works - the author of the section seems to be so enamoured with La Rochefoucauld that he forgets to say anything meaningful about the philosophy behind the works and instead heaps excessive praise upon its style. Worthless.
This article is written in a pompous style. The complex sentence structure seems like it was translated from a flowery biography written two hundred years ago, and that the translator sought to preserve the original writer's style rather than to render it in good English. When you finally distill these complex sentences down to their essence, you find that there isn't much left. It's basically obfuscatory writing.
The last paragraph on "Literary works" is in desperate need of a complete rewrite to conform to modern (Wiki) standards. I noticed that everyone is in agreement that this article needs a rewrite but no one has attempted any changes. Certainly there must be more modern scholarship somewhere on Rochefoucauld then the 1911 Britannica entry? Odin1 ( talk) 05:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Has 'Literary Work' been edited now? If so, change it back! The original can't possibly be any worse than what's there now... The last part, in particular, reads like somebody wrote out a series of bullet points but forgot to seperate and format them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.151.33.154 ( talk) 15:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
The following does not seem like an objective encyclopaedia entry: "His Maximes never become platitudes, nor yet dark sayings. He has packed them so full of meaning that it would be impossible to pack them closer. He has sharpened their point to the utmost, yet there is no loss of substance. The comparison which occurs most frequently, and which is perhaps the most just, is that of a bronze sculpture—a completed work, yet one whose workmanship is not over-detailed." Statements such as "it would be impossible to pack them closer" are quite meaningless and hyperbolic, and the bronze sculpture metaphor is very overwrought. 160.39.182.183 ( talk) 00:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Apparently there are a number of people on the internet who believe it's possible to die of gout. But the medical authorities don't seem to think so. Gout is associated with metabolic syndrome and other disorders, but when the sufferer dies it's of heart attack or kidney failure or whatever, not gout. I don't think gout is even considered a contributing factor, just an associated condition. It's not a fatal disease. The citation on this refers to a book printed in 1911, and that's probably the source of the difficulty. E.D. Lewison ( talk) 18:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I was startled to see that La Rochefoucauld was a great-great grandson of the neoplatonist philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-1494). However, a cursory glance at the dates involved makes it clear that this is chronologically impossible. As best as I can tell from machine-translating French-language Wikipedia pages, our subject's great-grandmother Silvia Pico della Mirandola, wife of Francois III, Comte de la Rochefoucauld, shown here as the philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola's daughter by one "Ippolita Gonzaga," was actually a great-granddaughter of Galeotto I Pico (1442-1499), eldest brother of the philosopher. Ippolita Gonzaga, who died in 1571, could not possibly have been a wife of the philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, who died in 1494. She was indeed the mother of Francois III's wife Sylvia, but her husband was Galeotto II Pico de Mirandola (1508-1550), grandson of the Galeotto I that I mentioned above. Like the philosopher, Galeotto II was lord of Mirandola and Count of Concordia, which may have been the source of somebody's confusion.
To sum up, Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-1494) was the writer Francois La Rouchefoucauld's 5-times-great uncle, not his great-great grandfather. It would be nice if someone with French-language skills and access to better sources than French-language Wikipedia pages were to clean up the ancestry tree here. pnh ( talk) 10:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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Whoever wrote the bulk of this article is much more concerned with showing how smart they are than creating a helpful article; the whole damn thing needs to be rewritten. I'd do it myself, but I don't actually know anything about La Rochefoucauld. Someone please do some work here. Czoller ( talk) 15:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
He was a Freethinker, and atheist.
This page seems to be translated straight from the French version. As a result I see French constructions that don't flow very well in English ex "La Rochefoucauld was somewhat neglected in the matter of education, at least of the scholastic kind." It sounds fine in French but no one I know talks in English like that. I recommend that someone rewrites this to flow better. Te_aute
In French his name is spelled "de La", with an upper case L, and sorted alphabetically under L (La Rochefoucauld, François de). This English Wikipedia article spells his name "de la" with a lower case L. Is this by design, or just by mistake? The name is mentioned several times in the article using an upper case L.
There seem to be two different birthdates floating around in sources. Britannica 1911, current claims September 15, while two German encyclopedias (Brockhaus 1908, dtv 1992) say December 15. Anyone know what is correct? andy 12:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
"was the greatest maxim writer of France, one of her best memoir writers, and perhaps the most complete and accomplished representative of her ancient nobility."
1. 'the greatest maxim writier of France' strikes one as non-neutral. Perhaps we should consider revising to remove some subjectivity.
2. La Rochefoucauld was a man, not a woman. Unless I read that wrong, we should fix that.
Her refers to French, if I'm right.
Read the section on La Rochefoucald's works - the author of the section seems to be so enamoured with La Rochefoucauld that he forgets to say anything meaningful about the philosophy behind the works and instead heaps excessive praise upon its style. Worthless.
This article is written in a pompous style. The complex sentence structure seems like it was translated from a flowery biography written two hundred years ago, and that the translator sought to preserve the original writer's style rather than to render it in good English. When you finally distill these complex sentences down to their essence, you find that there isn't much left. It's basically obfuscatory writing.
The last paragraph on "Literary works" is in desperate need of a complete rewrite to conform to modern (Wiki) standards. I noticed that everyone is in agreement that this article needs a rewrite but no one has attempted any changes. Certainly there must be more modern scholarship somewhere on Rochefoucauld then the 1911 Britannica entry? Odin1 ( talk) 05:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Has 'Literary Work' been edited now? If so, change it back! The original can't possibly be any worse than what's there now... The last part, in particular, reads like somebody wrote out a series of bullet points but forgot to seperate and format them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.151.33.154 ( talk) 15:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
The following does not seem like an objective encyclopaedia entry: "His Maximes never become platitudes, nor yet dark sayings. He has packed them so full of meaning that it would be impossible to pack them closer. He has sharpened their point to the utmost, yet there is no loss of substance. The comparison which occurs most frequently, and which is perhaps the most just, is that of a bronze sculpture—a completed work, yet one whose workmanship is not over-detailed." Statements such as "it would be impossible to pack them closer" are quite meaningless and hyperbolic, and the bronze sculpture metaphor is very overwrought. 160.39.182.183 ( talk) 00:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Apparently there are a number of people on the internet who believe it's possible to die of gout. But the medical authorities don't seem to think so. Gout is associated with metabolic syndrome and other disorders, but when the sufferer dies it's of heart attack or kidney failure or whatever, not gout. I don't think gout is even considered a contributing factor, just an associated condition. It's not a fatal disease. The citation on this refers to a book printed in 1911, and that's probably the source of the difficulty. E.D. Lewison ( talk) 18:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I was startled to see that La Rochefoucauld was a great-great grandson of the neoplatonist philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-1494). However, a cursory glance at the dates involved makes it clear that this is chronologically impossible. As best as I can tell from machine-translating French-language Wikipedia pages, our subject's great-grandmother Silvia Pico della Mirandola, wife of Francois III, Comte de la Rochefoucauld, shown here as the philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola's daughter by one "Ippolita Gonzaga," was actually a great-granddaughter of Galeotto I Pico (1442-1499), eldest brother of the philosopher. Ippolita Gonzaga, who died in 1571, could not possibly have been a wife of the philosopher Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, who died in 1494. She was indeed the mother of Francois III's wife Sylvia, but her husband was Galeotto II Pico de Mirandola (1508-1550), grandson of the Galeotto I that I mentioned above. Like the philosopher, Galeotto II was lord of Mirandola and Count of Concordia, which may have been the source of somebody's confusion.
To sum up, Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463-1494) was the writer Francois La Rouchefoucauld's 5-times-great uncle, not his great-great grandfather. It would be nice if someone with French-language skills and access to better sources than French-language Wikipedia pages were to clean up the ancestry tree here. pnh ( talk) 10:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)