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"It is no secret that social media and other forms of technology have made it increasingly and frighteningly easy to call people out on their missteps. The same platform that provides people with a voice, can also make them reluctant to project it." - this sticks out like a sore thumb. The first sentence is original research, the second sentence is opinion. It also uses really emotive language without attempting to sound more neutral (ie, informality of "it is no secret"; "call people out"; "provides people with a voice" and emotive: "increasingly and frighteningly"; "reluctant to project it") Wikipedia isn't a blog. Never edited Wikipedia before, so hopefully I've done this right/in the correct place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:8A52:2000:2033:E93D:C4A2:723F ( talk) 22:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
If this movement is synonymous with online feminism, then why is its start placed in 2008? The Internet rose to worldwide popularity in the 1990s. Didn't feminist ideas have a place in it earlier? Dimadick ( talk) 19:42, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm a Student at LSU in a Women and gender studies class and I would like to make some additions to this page. Those additions would include further info on the debate over whether or not we have actually entered a new wave, the influence of twitter and other social media (which gained popularity later than the basic internet), a world wide perspective on fourth-wave feminism, further differentiation between 4th and 3rd wave feminism, the involvement of more young women in this wave/how 4th wave feminism may be more accessible, influential figures/leaders in the movement, and possibly how this wave coincides with the 2016 presidential election. I still have a lot of research to do, but this is a brief outline. Thanks!
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first off the forth wave is commonly called the third wave so to needs to be pointed out a bit more often. second off 4th wave is not about helping women its about attacking men and is the reason why people believe in equal rights for woman and men but don't call themselves feminist so if someone has the time to add that first part (and second if your willing to risk the backlash) that be awesome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.39.210.117 ( talk • contribs) 02:32, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
This should really be at Fourth-wave feminism, along with the third wave, second and first. I noticed Mr. Granger move it today from fourth-wave of feminism. Does anyone mind if I (or Mr. Granger if he'd like to) move it again? SarahSV (talk) 19:15, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
The fourth wave, real or not a few years ago, has been discussed in the Wikipedia Talk space, often with sources that might now be useful. In case they're of interest, here are some links:
I'm dubious whether 20-50 years from now historians of feminism will count exactly four waves through 2017 if waves start becoming more rapid and we have a new wave every 10-20 years. Technology can easily produce new platforms and media fast enough for that rapidity. But I guess there's adequate sourcing now for the notability of at least a fourth.
Nick Levinson ( talk) 22:12, 2 December 2017 (UTC) (Corrected links: 22:17, 2 December 2017 (UTC)) (Corrected a missing link bracket: 22:22, 2 December 2017 (UTC))
There really ought to be a section on the page that allows for critiques of the movement being trans-exclusionary (i.e. "pussy power," "future is female," pink hats in the Women's march). thoughts? Rsr788 ( talk) 08:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
There seems to be a thread missing with no mention of the Larry Nassar, etc. events. /info/en/?search=Larry_Nassar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.77.141 ( talk) 01:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
"As fourth-wave feminism became popular in the United States, other countries were also dealing with similar issues. Although the reactions of local governments differed, the movement of fourth-wave feminists in the United States had a significant effect around the world. Some local alternative hashtags to #MeToo included:"
The above quote from the article shows a problematic aspect of this article. The article posits the United States as the founder of this movement, while at the same time saying that the movement developed at the same time in other places. There is little in material from countries like Spain and Argentina that says they influenced by the USA. -- LauraHale ( talk) 10:32, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Black and brown feminism and Transfeminism are massively key tendencies within an emergent fourth-wave feminism that aren't mentioned in this article. I don't have the time at the moment to make the edits of a quality sufficient to avoid being removed, but someone needs to <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.162.244.211 ( talk) 16:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
See: Transfeminism, [ feminism 21st century section], Kyriarchy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.162.244.211 ( talk) 16:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
EvergreenFir - I challenge your revert. Your rational was "Not the correct meaning here". This is straight from the cited reference: "It reflects the popularity of intersectionality as a theoretical frame for analysis and has created a ‘callout’ culture in which sexism or misogyny can be challenged". That emphasized part is in reference to Call-out culture; in that article in fact we used similar sources. —Srid YO 14:58, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Munro, Ealasaid (1 September 2013). "Feminism: A Fourth Wave?". Political Insight. 4 (2): 22–25. doi:10.1111/2041-9066.12021. ISSN 2041-9058. —Srid YO 15:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)Many commentators argue that the internet itself has enabled a shift from ‘third-wave’ to ‘fourth-wave’ feminism. What is certain is that the internet has created a ‘call-out’ culture, in which sexism or misogyny can be ‘called out’ and challenged.
Whereas earlier feminists fought for and earned women greater liberation, individualism, and social mobility, the fourth wave furthers the agenda by calling for justice against assault and harassment, for equal pay for equal work, and for bodily autonomy." Here, "calling for justice against..." means to demand or request ( WIKT:call_for#English). That is not the same as call-outs or call-out culture. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
The most common definition is the type of feminism made more possible by social media, which is absolutely not the same thing as the anti-trans feminism. Could the second one either be its own page or a subsection titled 'other movements describing themselves as fourth wave or something? Amekyras ( talk) 01:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I recently removed Fourth-wave feminism#Timeline. Instead of being based on reliable sources that are themselves presenting a timeline of the movement, our list is original research. Much of it is unreferenced, or cited to sources that do not mention fourth-wave feminism. The ones that are cited and provably relevant are often shown without any contextualizing info. My removal was reverted without explanation. Do others feel that a Timeline section is a good idea in general? Is the present version worth keeping? Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 03:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. I randomly stumbled upon this article. I don't typically edit these types of topics, but I've noticed that these tags have been here for almost 3 years, and one of the original taggers has left [1]. Perhaps we can remove the stale tags or propose some additions or changes to the article? Thanks. Stix1776 ( talk) 11:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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The following sentence seems questionable; wasn't Olympe de Gouges from France, and her work published in French? "for example, the first wave in Spain took place in the late 18th century with feminist activism and publications such as Olympe de Gouges 1791 "La Declaración de los Derechos de la Mujer y de la Ciudadana", a declaration of the rights of women). Sascha ( talk) 00:14, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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The modern-day fight for reproductive justice and freedom is something that should be a key component to fourth-wave feminism. Although it is true that contemporary feminism has a large focus on intersectionality and sexual assault awareness, the fight for reproductive justice should also be listed as a focus for this wave, as it has been a major issue for young activists and voters. Since the Supreme Court's decision in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization1, global protests have been sparked over the overturning of Roe v. Wade2, and reproductive justice has indirectly been a catalyst for Generation Z producing the largest voter turnout the United States has ever seen in 2020.3 Although it’s sad that certain issues have been fought for so long that they carry over between different waves of feminism, this issue has significantly impacted every wave of feminism.4
1. “Supreme Court of the United States.” Accessed October 13, 2022.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf.
2. Ngo, Madeleine, and Lola Fadulu. “With Roe in Peril, Thousands Gather at Marches for Abortion Rights.” The New York Times. The New York Times, May 14, 2022. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/14/us/abortion-rights-march.html.
3. AbigailJHess. “The 2020 Election Shows Gen Z's Voting Power for Years to Come.” CNBC. CNBC, November 18, 2020. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/the-2020-election-shows-gen-zs-voting-power-for-years-to-come.html.
4. “National Exit Polls: How Different Groups Voted.” The New York Times. The New York Times, November 3, 2020. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html. GeniusSardonic ( talk) 23:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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This should be under criticism and not intersectionality. Kiwibiwi ( talk) 19:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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The third intro paragraph cites an essay from a Pacific University professor, but there are a couple of errors. First, it suggests that third-wave feminism excluded those particular topics. Not only is that untrue, the author doesn't appear to make that claim. Second, the quotation should be credited to the author, as I don't believe it's an official statement of the university.
I'm not sure what that third paragraph is trying to achieve, so I can't offer a rewrite. Is it even necessary? I suggest removing it or introducing new concepts/terms brought into the feminist discourse, such as mansplaining, emotional labor, and TERF. Agatehawk ( talk) 21:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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"It is no secret that social media and other forms of technology have made it increasingly and frighteningly easy to call people out on their missteps. The same platform that provides people with a voice, can also make them reluctant to project it." - this sticks out like a sore thumb. The first sentence is original research, the second sentence is opinion. It also uses really emotive language without attempting to sound more neutral (ie, informality of "it is no secret"; "call people out"; "provides people with a voice" and emotive: "increasingly and frighteningly"; "reluctant to project it") Wikipedia isn't a blog. Never edited Wikipedia before, so hopefully I've done this right/in the correct place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:8A52:2000:2033:E93D:C4A2:723F ( talk) 22:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
If this movement is synonymous with online feminism, then why is its start placed in 2008? The Internet rose to worldwide popularity in the 1990s. Didn't feminist ideas have a place in it earlier? Dimadick ( talk) 19:42, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm a Student at LSU in a Women and gender studies class and I would like to make some additions to this page. Those additions would include further info on the debate over whether or not we have actually entered a new wave, the influence of twitter and other social media (which gained popularity later than the basic internet), a world wide perspective on fourth-wave feminism, further differentiation between 4th and 3rd wave feminism, the involvement of more young women in this wave/how 4th wave feminism may be more accessible, influential figures/leaders in the movement, and possibly how this wave coincides with the 2016 presidential election. I still have a lot of research to do, but this is a brief outline. Thanks!
Bdevea1 ( talk) 16:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)Bdevea1
Bdevea1 ( talk) 23:17, 21 April 2016 (UTC)bdevea1
first off the forth wave is commonly called the third wave so to needs to be pointed out a bit more often. second off 4th wave is not about helping women its about attacking men and is the reason why people believe in equal rights for woman and men but don't call themselves feminist so if someone has the time to add that first part (and second if your willing to risk the backlash) that be awesome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.39.210.117 ( talk • contribs) 02:32, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
This should really be at Fourth-wave feminism, along with the third wave, second and first. I noticed Mr. Granger move it today from fourth-wave of feminism. Does anyone mind if I (or Mr. Granger if he'd like to) move it again? SarahSV (talk) 19:15, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
The fourth wave, real or not a few years ago, has been discussed in the Wikipedia Talk space, often with sources that might now be useful. In case they're of interest, here are some links:
I'm dubious whether 20-50 years from now historians of feminism will count exactly four waves through 2017 if waves start becoming more rapid and we have a new wave every 10-20 years. Technology can easily produce new platforms and media fast enough for that rapidity. But I guess there's adequate sourcing now for the notability of at least a fourth.
Nick Levinson ( talk) 22:12, 2 December 2017 (UTC) (Corrected links: 22:17, 2 December 2017 (UTC)) (Corrected a missing link bracket: 22:22, 2 December 2017 (UTC))
There really ought to be a section on the page that allows for critiques of the movement being trans-exclusionary (i.e. "pussy power," "future is female," pink hats in the Women's march). thoughts? Rsr788 ( talk) 08:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
There seems to be a thread missing with no mention of the Larry Nassar, etc. events. /info/en/?search=Larry_Nassar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.77.141 ( talk) 01:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
"As fourth-wave feminism became popular in the United States, other countries were also dealing with similar issues. Although the reactions of local governments differed, the movement of fourth-wave feminists in the United States had a significant effect around the world. Some local alternative hashtags to #MeToo included:"
The above quote from the article shows a problematic aspect of this article. The article posits the United States as the founder of this movement, while at the same time saying that the movement developed at the same time in other places. There is little in material from countries like Spain and Argentina that says they influenced by the USA. -- LauraHale ( talk) 10:32, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Black and brown feminism and Transfeminism are massively key tendencies within an emergent fourth-wave feminism that aren't mentioned in this article. I don't have the time at the moment to make the edits of a quality sufficient to avoid being removed, but someone needs to <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.162.244.211 ( talk) 16:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
See: Transfeminism, [ feminism 21st century section], Kyriarchy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.162.244.211 ( talk) 16:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
EvergreenFir - I challenge your revert. Your rational was "Not the correct meaning here". This is straight from the cited reference: "It reflects the popularity of intersectionality as a theoretical frame for analysis and has created a ‘callout’ culture in which sexism or misogyny can be challenged". That emphasized part is in reference to Call-out culture; in that article in fact we used similar sources. —Srid YO 14:58, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Munro, Ealasaid (1 September 2013). "Feminism: A Fourth Wave?". Political Insight. 4 (2): 22–25. doi:10.1111/2041-9066.12021. ISSN 2041-9058. —Srid YO 15:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)Many commentators argue that the internet itself has enabled a shift from ‘third-wave’ to ‘fourth-wave’ feminism. What is certain is that the internet has created a ‘call-out’ culture, in which sexism or misogyny can be ‘called out’ and challenged.
Whereas earlier feminists fought for and earned women greater liberation, individualism, and social mobility, the fourth wave furthers the agenda by calling for justice against assault and harassment, for equal pay for equal work, and for bodily autonomy." Here, "calling for justice against..." means to demand or request ( WIKT:call_for#English). That is not the same as call-outs or call-out culture. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
The most common definition is the type of feminism made more possible by social media, which is absolutely not the same thing as the anti-trans feminism. Could the second one either be its own page or a subsection titled 'other movements describing themselves as fourth wave or something? Amekyras ( talk) 01:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I recently removed Fourth-wave feminism#Timeline. Instead of being based on reliable sources that are themselves presenting a timeline of the movement, our list is original research. Much of it is unreferenced, or cited to sources that do not mention fourth-wave feminism. The ones that are cited and provably relevant are often shown without any contextualizing info. My removal was reverted without explanation. Do others feel that a Timeline section is a good idea in general? Is the present version worth keeping? Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 03:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. I randomly stumbled upon this article. I don't typically edit these types of topics, but I've noticed that these tags have been here for almost 3 years, and one of the original taggers has left [1]. Perhaps we can remove the stale tags or propose some additions or changes to the article? Thanks. Stix1776 ( talk) 11:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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The following sentence seems questionable; wasn't Olympe de Gouges from France, and her work published in French? "for example, the first wave in Spain took place in the late 18th century with feminist activism and publications such as Olympe de Gouges 1791 "La Declaración de los Derechos de la Mujer y de la Ciudadana", a declaration of the rights of women). Sascha ( talk) 00:14, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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The modern-day fight for reproductive justice and freedom is something that should be a key component to fourth-wave feminism. Although it is true that contemporary feminism has a large focus on intersectionality and sexual assault awareness, the fight for reproductive justice should also be listed as a focus for this wave, as it has been a major issue for young activists and voters. Since the Supreme Court's decision in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization1, global protests have been sparked over the overturning of Roe v. Wade2, and reproductive justice has indirectly been a catalyst for Generation Z producing the largest voter turnout the United States has ever seen in 2020.3 Although it’s sad that certain issues have been fought for so long that they carry over between different waves of feminism, this issue has significantly impacted every wave of feminism.4
1. “Supreme Court of the United States.” Accessed October 13, 2022.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf.
2. Ngo, Madeleine, and Lola Fadulu. “With Roe in Peril, Thousands Gather at Marches for Abortion Rights.” The New York Times. The New York Times, May 14, 2022. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/14/us/abortion-rights-march.html.
3. AbigailJHess. “The 2020 Election Shows Gen Z's Voting Power for Years to Come.” CNBC. CNBC, November 18, 2020. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/the-2020-election-shows-gen-zs-voting-power-for-years-to-come.html.
4. “National Exit Polls: How Different Groups Voted.” The New York Times. The New York Times, November 3, 2020. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html. GeniusSardonic ( talk) 23:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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This should be under criticism and not intersectionality. Kiwibiwi ( talk) 19:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Ian, I've just removed some content from the lead, and some from a body section, each written by a Wiki Ed student in different courses ( Kiwibiwi ( talk · contribs) at N. Arizona U, and Jessnicoleb ( talk · contribs) at Radford U.) for reasons given in the edit summary. I don't have time to check their other contributions to this article (or others?) but someone should. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 03:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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The third intro paragraph cites an essay from a Pacific University professor, but there are a couple of errors. First, it suggests that third-wave feminism excluded those particular topics. Not only is that untrue, the author doesn't appear to make that claim. Second, the quotation should be credited to the author, as I don't believe it's an official statement of the university.
I'm not sure what that third paragraph is trying to achieve, so I can't offer a rewrite. Is it even necessary? I suggest removing it or introducing new concepts/terms brought into the feminist discourse, such as mansplaining, emotional labor, and TERF. Agatehawk ( talk) 21:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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