The result of the move request was: page moved. Consensus is that "Foundation stock" is the common name. ( non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Foundation bloodstock → Foundation stock – Per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. Foundation stock, which redirects here, is synonymous, and "foundation bloodstock" is primarily used in horse breeding (but the shorter term is also used in that subfield – see in-context usage at, e.g., [1], [2], and [3]). The long version is not typically found in breeding-related sources on dogs, cats, goats, etc., etc. The short version (Google: "foundation stock" -"foundation bloodstock" -wikipedia) occurs in a 211:47.5 ratio vs. the long one (Google: "foundation bloodstock" -"foundation stock" -wikipedia), i.e. is over 4 times as common. It appears that the article is at the longer name because it began focused on horse breeding alone, but has since expanded to include dogs, and will continue to expand to include other livestock and pet animals. The long version is such a specialized term that it occurs so infrequently in print that Google N-grams search produces nothing for it, but significant numbers of the shorter term [4]; ergo this is also a WP:RECOGNIZABLE issue. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 05:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Let's look at this practically. The article at hand is only partly about horses (and will be decreasingly about horses as more content is added, since "foundation stock" applies to all animal breeding, including horses, and possibly even including cultivated plant hybridization), so it should not have special horsey naming (actually, it's not even horse-related naming, it's specifically thoroughbred-related naming, as show above, though with some bleed-through to other horse breeds). If someone think its necessary for the thoroughbred term to have its own article, I doubt anyone cares much about such a content fork in the short term, though it doesn't meet the WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPLIT, WP:SPINOUT, WP:DICDEF, and WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE criteria, so I expect it would be merged back in later. This is not just a horse-article problem; some other articles started as dog-related and are genericizing over time to include other species, but are misnamed and miscategorized.
Such problems are easily resolved by a) using the generic title per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:RECOGNIZABLE, and WP:CONCISE, b) redirecting species- or breed-specific synonyms to the general article, and c) putting horse, dog, etc., categories on the more specific redirects. Standard operating procedure, regardless of topic area.
What probably needs to happen in the longer run is a glossary article, or more than one (there's no particular reason to commingle horse breeding terms and equestrian sporting terms, for example). We need articles on general notable concepts like foundation stock, not multiple articles at different titles on the same concept just because the terminology slightly differs from subtopic to subtopic. The only reason that would happen is if people from separate wikiprojects are trying to act in a WP:OWN / WP:VESTED manner. We just don't need or want that. Various key articles and some hierarchical glossaries – starting with breeding terms in one and animal sport terms in another, and spawning species-specific, more detailed glossaries for horses, dogs, whatever, on an as-needed basis – is enough to cover all the encyclopedic needs here. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
There are multiple uses of "foundation [blood]stock" to consider:
All of these are easily sourceable, just no one's gotten around to it, probably because terminology material like this is often better in a glossary article. It's difficult to maintain hundreds of terminology articles. This particular topic probably can be developed into a full-scale article, since the different breed registries handle some of these things differently, and this can be documented. There's a limit, per WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINTE, to the level to which we should document this on WP, however (especially since such details can change over time, leading to a content maintenance problem). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 22:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
A little puzzled why this article was draftified rather than just tagged for lack of citations... Montanabw (talk) 20:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Consensus is that "Foundation stock" is the common name. ( non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Foundation bloodstock → Foundation stock – Per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. Foundation stock, which redirects here, is synonymous, and "foundation bloodstock" is primarily used in horse breeding (but the shorter term is also used in that subfield – see in-context usage at, e.g., [1], [2], and [3]). The long version is not typically found in breeding-related sources on dogs, cats, goats, etc., etc. The short version (Google: "foundation stock" -"foundation bloodstock" -wikipedia) occurs in a 211:47.5 ratio vs. the long one (Google: "foundation bloodstock" -"foundation stock" -wikipedia), i.e. is over 4 times as common. It appears that the article is at the longer name because it began focused on horse breeding alone, but has since expanded to include dogs, and will continue to expand to include other livestock and pet animals. The long version is such a specialized term that it occurs so infrequently in print that Google N-grams search produces nothing for it, but significant numbers of the shorter term [4]; ergo this is also a WP:RECOGNIZABLE issue. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 05:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Let's look at this practically. The article at hand is only partly about horses (and will be decreasingly about horses as more content is added, since "foundation stock" applies to all animal breeding, including horses, and possibly even including cultivated plant hybridization), so it should not have special horsey naming (actually, it's not even horse-related naming, it's specifically thoroughbred-related naming, as show above, though with some bleed-through to other horse breeds). If someone think its necessary for the thoroughbred term to have its own article, I doubt anyone cares much about such a content fork in the short term, though it doesn't meet the WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPLIT, WP:SPINOUT, WP:DICDEF, and WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE criteria, so I expect it would be merged back in later. This is not just a horse-article problem; some other articles started as dog-related and are genericizing over time to include other species, but are misnamed and miscategorized.
Such problems are easily resolved by a) using the generic title per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:RECOGNIZABLE, and WP:CONCISE, b) redirecting species- or breed-specific synonyms to the general article, and c) putting horse, dog, etc., categories on the more specific redirects. Standard operating procedure, regardless of topic area.
What probably needs to happen in the longer run is a glossary article, or more than one (there's no particular reason to commingle horse breeding terms and equestrian sporting terms, for example). We need articles on general notable concepts like foundation stock, not multiple articles at different titles on the same concept just because the terminology slightly differs from subtopic to subtopic. The only reason that would happen is if people from separate wikiprojects are trying to act in a WP:OWN / WP:VESTED manner. We just don't need or want that. Various key articles and some hierarchical glossaries – starting with breeding terms in one and animal sport terms in another, and spawning species-specific, more detailed glossaries for horses, dogs, whatever, on an as-needed basis – is enough to cover all the encyclopedic needs here. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
There are multiple uses of "foundation [blood]stock" to consider:
All of these are easily sourceable, just no one's gotten around to it, probably because terminology material like this is often better in a glossary article. It's difficult to maintain hundreds of terminology articles. This particular topic probably can be developed into a full-scale article, since the different breed registries handle some of these things differently, and this can be documented. There's a limit, per WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINTE, to the level to which we should document this on WP, however (especially since such details can change over time, leading to a content maintenance problem). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 22:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
A little puzzled why this article was draftified rather than just tagged for lack of citations... Montanabw (talk) 20:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)