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Based upon MNHS information displayed during a personal mid-July 2006 site visit:
The original installation was begun in 1820 by LCOL Henry Leavenworth. [1] Construction of Fort Saint Anthony continued until 1825 when it received its current name upon completion in honor of Colonel Josiah Snelling. He commanded the regiment that finished building it, and oversaw most of its construction.
Fort Snelling was the northern-most outpost protecting commercial fur trading interests along the pre- 1830's demarcation line of the U.S. Government's treaty-based " Indian Territory" ... The 1823 land and watershed survey expeditions supported by Fort St. Anthony helped guide future developments in the Wisconsin Territory.
The census says there are 0.09. Kusma (討論) 12:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
"Snelling was considered to be a reasonable commander—when he was sober. He was susceptible to becoming angry when ill from chronic dysentery, and he left the installation in September 1827 when recalled to Washington. He died a year later from complications due to dysentery and a "brain fever"."
I don't need to look at the wikipedia standards to know that this is not the correct style to be using. And while it is funny, and I did laugh out loud, I don't think it's what should be here... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.247.152.4 ( talk) 03:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 18:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I was incorrect in my edit. Pike Island is in Ramsey County, and the little squiggle of land where the Minnesota River added a new path during a flood years ago and thus is in Dakota County, the remainder of the Fort Snelling unorganized territory is in Hennepin County. All land in Minnesota is located within a county. Check out the official Hennepin County section map at https://www.hennepin.us/residents/property/historic-and-current-section-maps. The closest I could find on the Ramsey County website is https://www.ramseycounty.us/sites/default/files/Elections%20and%20Voting/Maps/County%20maps/RamseyCountyPrecinctMap11x172018.pdf. Pike Island is indeed within the city limits of Saint Paul, see https://stpaul.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=21c68099a3124881b4411859ff66c3e3. A quick map of the portion of Fort Snelling that is Dakota County is at https://www.lakesnwoods.com/temp/FtSnellingSquiggle.PNG
Look at http://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/general_ref/cousub_outline/cen2k_pgsz/mn_cosub.pdf, pages 14 and 15: Fort Snelling abuts Ramsey County, but it doesn't extend into it: the entirety of the Ramsey County area is St. Paul, and an unorganized territory can't be within a city. Meanwhile, it's not at all in Dakota County; Lilydale officials would likely deny that there's any unincorporated area where their city lies. At the same time, consider this population estimates page: Fort Snelling is listed exclusively in county 53, which is Hennepin County. Nyttend ( talk) 03:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The captain's quarters at Fort Snelling, as stated on the PBS program History Detectives, is the oldest standing structure in Minnesota. Badagnani ( talk) 01:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The picture used the the info box is out of date. The Flag is no longer mounted on top of the round tower but is off to the side. Could the picture be replaced with this one or one like it?
http://flickr.com/photos/mnsomero/2935051334/in/set-72157607432421214/
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I'm rather confused about dates and terminology.
If the fort was decommissioned in 1946, how could it still serve to be the headquarters for a brigade up to 1994?
Does the brigade being a "reserve" one make a difference.
I thought that once something was decommissioned, it was no longer used and no longer "officially" part of the military/service; even in "reserve" capacity.
If I'm missing something, I think that other non military/service people will also be confused.
Can this be clarified?
Or am I still missing something? 2600:8800:785:1300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 06:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm also confused, it says at one point "From construction in 1820 to closure in 1858"... closed in 1858?? what about all the Dakota camp activity during the civil war? ---Skates61 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.89.21 ( talk) 21:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
The article reflist shows the attached link as a "dead link" when it works fine here. Cans someone explain please. [2] Thank you. Mcb133aco ( talk) 01:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)mcb133aco Mcb133aco ( talk) 01:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
The word B'dote does not appear in the historic record nor does any reference to a B'dote Homeland (recently added to the lead). Mindota is the word used in the Historic record. It is the English version of M'dota. That spelling is also not in the Fort record. As far as the Fort sitting in the Bdote homeland the entire State of Minnesota sits of former first nations land. The statement seems intended to vilify the subject and does not add real content. The word B'dote seems to first appear in any fort record when the Minnesota Historical Society decided to add it to the Fort Snelling Park signs in 2017. MHS has since injected it into the fort's history replacing the word Mindota. I believe that the MHS is a problematic source for citing B'dote or B'dote homeland. I have been informed by a native speaker that B'dote and M'dota are dialect variations with the same meaning.
Fort Snelling and B'dote/Mindota share the same geographic location, but really are two separate subjects. As topics, Fort Snelling has overwhelmed the B'dote/Mindota story. Whereas, Bdote/Mindota are a paragraph of the Fort Snelling history. Since this is an article on the Fort, it should reflect Fort history and use the word Mindota as it was used at the fort for 198 years. Wikipedia is not the appropriate place for revisionist history without proper footnotes or disambiguation. Mcb133aco ( talk) 17:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)mcb133aco Mcb133aco ( talk) 17:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
There's been a lot of confusion about this: Fort Snelling is an unorganized territory of Hennepin County, not with respect to the United States of America. Minnesota was not admitted as a state with any exceptions. You'll find it along with the many other unorganized territories in Minnesota, not in territories of the United States. You can see this on official state maps: [3][ [4] The issues of land cessions and treaties apply to a much larger area (all of Minneapolis?) than the current territory within Hennepin County. — innotata 17:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
The article states, "It ceded 155,320 acres of land in the area (400 km2)." But 155,320 acres is not 400 square kilometers, and the book I have here in front of me states, "They ceded about 100,000 acres, according to Pike’s estimate, valued by him at $200,000." Awhit003 ( talk) 01:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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Based upon MNHS information displayed during a personal mid-July 2006 site visit:
The original installation was begun in 1820 by LCOL Henry Leavenworth. [1] Construction of Fort Saint Anthony continued until 1825 when it received its current name upon completion in honor of Colonel Josiah Snelling. He commanded the regiment that finished building it, and oversaw most of its construction.
Fort Snelling was the northern-most outpost protecting commercial fur trading interests along the pre- 1830's demarcation line of the U.S. Government's treaty-based " Indian Territory" ... The 1823 land and watershed survey expeditions supported by Fort St. Anthony helped guide future developments in the Wisconsin Territory.
The census says there are 0.09. Kusma (討論) 12:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
"Snelling was considered to be a reasonable commander—when he was sober. He was susceptible to becoming angry when ill from chronic dysentery, and he left the installation in September 1827 when recalled to Washington. He died a year later from complications due to dysentery and a "brain fever"."
I don't need to look at the wikipedia standards to know that this is not the correct style to be using. And while it is funny, and I did laugh out loud, I don't think it's what should be here... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.247.152.4 ( talk) 03:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 18:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I was incorrect in my edit. Pike Island is in Ramsey County, and the little squiggle of land where the Minnesota River added a new path during a flood years ago and thus is in Dakota County, the remainder of the Fort Snelling unorganized territory is in Hennepin County. All land in Minnesota is located within a county. Check out the official Hennepin County section map at https://www.hennepin.us/residents/property/historic-and-current-section-maps. The closest I could find on the Ramsey County website is https://www.ramseycounty.us/sites/default/files/Elections%20and%20Voting/Maps/County%20maps/RamseyCountyPrecinctMap11x172018.pdf. Pike Island is indeed within the city limits of Saint Paul, see https://stpaul.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=21c68099a3124881b4411859ff66c3e3. A quick map of the portion of Fort Snelling that is Dakota County is at https://www.lakesnwoods.com/temp/FtSnellingSquiggle.PNG
Look at http://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/general_ref/cousub_outline/cen2k_pgsz/mn_cosub.pdf, pages 14 and 15: Fort Snelling abuts Ramsey County, but it doesn't extend into it: the entirety of the Ramsey County area is St. Paul, and an unorganized territory can't be within a city. Meanwhile, it's not at all in Dakota County; Lilydale officials would likely deny that there's any unincorporated area where their city lies. At the same time, consider this population estimates page: Fort Snelling is listed exclusively in county 53, which is Hennepin County. Nyttend ( talk) 03:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The captain's quarters at Fort Snelling, as stated on the PBS program History Detectives, is the oldest standing structure in Minnesota. Badagnani ( talk) 01:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The picture used the the info box is out of date. The Flag is no longer mounted on top of the round tower but is off to the side. Could the picture be replaced with this one or one like it?
http://flickr.com/photos/mnsomero/2935051334/in/set-72157607432421214/
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I'm rather confused about dates and terminology.
If the fort was decommissioned in 1946, how could it still serve to be the headquarters for a brigade up to 1994?
Does the brigade being a "reserve" one make a difference.
I thought that once something was decommissioned, it was no longer used and no longer "officially" part of the military/service; even in "reserve" capacity.
If I'm missing something, I think that other non military/service people will also be confused.
Can this be clarified?
Or am I still missing something? 2600:8800:785:1300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 06:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm also confused, it says at one point "From construction in 1820 to closure in 1858"... closed in 1858?? what about all the Dakota camp activity during the civil war? ---Skates61 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.89.21 ( talk) 21:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
The article reflist shows the attached link as a "dead link" when it works fine here. Cans someone explain please. [2] Thank you. Mcb133aco ( talk) 01:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)mcb133aco Mcb133aco ( talk) 01:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
The word B'dote does not appear in the historic record nor does any reference to a B'dote Homeland (recently added to the lead). Mindota is the word used in the Historic record. It is the English version of M'dota. That spelling is also not in the Fort record. As far as the Fort sitting in the Bdote homeland the entire State of Minnesota sits of former first nations land. The statement seems intended to vilify the subject and does not add real content. The word B'dote seems to first appear in any fort record when the Minnesota Historical Society decided to add it to the Fort Snelling Park signs in 2017. MHS has since injected it into the fort's history replacing the word Mindota. I believe that the MHS is a problematic source for citing B'dote or B'dote homeland. I have been informed by a native speaker that B'dote and M'dota are dialect variations with the same meaning.
Fort Snelling and B'dote/Mindota share the same geographic location, but really are two separate subjects. As topics, Fort Snelling has overwhelmed the B'dote/Mindota story. Whereas, Bdote/Mindota are a paragraph of the Fort Snelling history. Since this is an article on the Fort, it should reflect Fort history and use the word Mindota as it was used at the fort for 198 years. Wikipedia is not the appropriate place for revisionist history without proper footnotes or disambiguation. Mcb133aco ( talk) 17:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)mcb133aco Mcb133aco ( talk) 17:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
There's been a lot of confusion about this: Fort Snelling is an unorganized territory of Hennepin County, not with respect to the United States of America. Minnesota was not admitted as a state with any exceptions. You'll find it along with the many other unorganized territories in Minnesota, not in territories of the United States. You can see this on official state maps: [3][ [4] The issues of land cessions and treaties apply to a much larger area (all of Minneapolis?) than the current territory within Hennepin County. — innotata 17:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
The article states, "It ceded 155,320 acres of land in the area (400 km2)." But 155,320 acres is not 400 square kilometers, and the book I have here in front of me states, "They ceded about 100,000 acres, according to Pike’s estimate, valued by him at $200,000." Awhit003 ( talk) 01:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)