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It doesn't seem so, from the description. -- Decumanus | Talk 22:07, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. -- dashiellx ( talk) 12:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Would Fort Caroline be considered a " Star fort" by it's triangular design? 4.255.52.57 ( talk) 20:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
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Just what definition of "Atlantic coast of North America" are we using here? Even excluding the Gulf of Saint Lawrence (and that's one heavy stretch), or even reducing it to "Atlantic Coast of the United States", that still doesn't account for places like Castine...-- Guillaume Hébert-Jodoin ( talk) 18:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
This article asserts that the fort was 'Established in what is now Jacksonville, Florida,' with no mention that this might be disputed let alone that recent work claims to have determined a location near Darien, Georgia. See Florida State University. "Oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 21 February 2014. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140221111218.htm>.
Claims unsupported by physical evidence and resting solely on new interpretations of old maps and texts by researchers should be treated with caution.
As noted by St. Augustine's former mayor, George Gardner, it seems that Crowe and Spring have confused Laudonnière's fort with another referred to by Menéndez in a letter he wrote to King Phillip II of Spain. Here is part of the text:
The Commandant and the Captains also wrote me that the two French ships which escaped when we took the fort of St. Matthew in which Juan Rivao's eldest son escaped the day that he was in the fort by swimming to one of these ships, had gone five and twenty leagues beyond, towards the north to a very good harbor called Guale, the Indians there being their friends.
And that there are, within a space of three or four leagues, forty villages of the Indians of two brothers, one of whom is called Causin, and the other Guale, and these two brothers are great friends of the General Ludunier [sic] who was in Florida before the coming of Juan Rivao.
The day that we took the fort, he jumped over the wall in his shirt, and fled to the mountain, wounded by a pike, and we never heard any further news of him, save that it was said that the Indians, his enemies, had killed him.
It seemed to me that Ludunier reached the shore before the son of Juan Rivao got over the bar, that he took him in and, as he knew of the harbor of Guale and the two caciques were his friends, that he went there with the two ships, and that, in great haste, he threw up a fort, and that he had in it seventy or eighty men; that he had sent one of the ships to France and kept the other there.
They must have much artillery and ammunition and stores, for these two ships had not yet discharged what they brought from France, and one of them carried four heavy heavy brass guns on her broadside.
... with the largest force I can get together, which shall be, if possible, not less than three hundred men, for this is little enough, I shall go to Guale, where Ludunier and Juan Rivao's son are, and endeavor to take their fort and expel them from the land before they can be succored from France. [2] Carlstak ( talk) 12:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The "Proposed alternative location" section of the article has reached the point of undue weight with its treatment of these unsupported claims as serious research. Similarly to the fabricated "debate" between evolutionary biologists and defenders of so-called "Intelligent Design", there is no debate among credentialed archeologists and historians about the location of Fort Caroline as being in present-day Florida, or about the early location of St. Augustine. Crowe and Spring appear to have plagiarized, or borrowed heavily from the writings of Richard Thornton, an architect and city planner with no credentials as an archeologist or historian, according to his profile at examiner.com/architecture-and-design-in-national/richard-thornton.
I first became aware of these bogus, unsubstantiated claims more than a year ago when I came across a site called bibleorigins.net [3] put up by Walter R. Mattfeld of Orange Park, Florida, which linked to the article titled Building this famous Florida attraction caused history to go astray at Examiner.com.
There seems to be a movement afoot with an agenda to push the "alternative location" of Fort Caroline in Georgia, supported by articles published at Examiner.com, a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist. It is a division of Clarity Media Group of the Anschutz Corporation, which is primarily owned by billionaire Philip Anschutz, a supporter of far-right causes and Christian activist who contributed $70,000 in 2003 to the Discovery Institute and who has agitated against the Kyoto Protocol. Carlstak ( talk) 18:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I have created the article " Spanish assault on French Florida" with much material about the Spanish attack on Fort Caroline. Carlstak ( talk) 22:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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A fact from Fort Caroline appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 28 April 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:
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It doesn't seem so, from the description. -- Decumanus | Talk 22:07, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. -- dashiellx ( talk) 12:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Would Fort Caroline be considered a " Star fort" by it's triangular design? 4.255.52.57 ( talk) 20:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
This is in the article:
Just what definition of "Atlantic coast of North America" are we using here? Even excluding the Gulf of Saint Lawrence (and that's one heavy stretch), or even reducing it to "Atlantic Coast of the United States", that still doesn't account for places like Castine...-- Guillaume Hébert-Jodoin ( talk) 18:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
This article asserts that the fort was 'Established in what is now Jacksonville, Florida,' with no mention that this might be disputed let alone that recent work claims to have determined a location near Darien, Georgia. See Florida State University. "Oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 21 February 2014. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140221111218.htm>.
Claims unsupported by physical evidence and resting solely on new interpretations of old maps and texts by researchers should be treated with caution.
As noted by St. Augustine's former mayor, George Gardner, it seems that Crowe and Spring have confused Laudonnière's fort with another referred to by Menéndez in a letter he wrote to King Phillip II of Spain. Here is part of the text:
The Commandant and the Captains also wrote me that the two French ships which escaped when we took the fort of St. Matthew in which Juan Rivao's eldest son escaped the day that he was in the fort by swimming to one of these ships, had gone five and twenty leagues beyond, towards the north to a very good harbor called Guale, the Indians there being their friends.
And that there are, within a space of three or four leagues, forty villages of the Indians of two brothers, one of whom is called Causin, and the other Guale, and these two brothers are great friends of the General Ludunier [sic] who was in Florida before the coming of Juan Rivao.
The day that we took the fort, he jumped over the wall in his shirt, and fled to the mountain, wounded by a pike, and we never heard any further news of him, save that it was said that the Indians, his enemies, had killed him.
It seemed to me that Ludunier reached the shore before the son of Juan Rivao got over the bar, that he took him in and, as he knew of the harbor of Guale and the two caciques were his friends, that he went there with the two ships, and that, in great haste, he threw up a fort, and that he had in it seventy or eighty men; that he had sent one of the ships to France and kept the other there.
They must have much artillery and ammunition and stores, for these two ships had not yet discharged what they brought from France, and one of them carried four heavy heavy brass guns on her broadside.
... with the largest force I can get together, which shall be, if possible, not less than three hundred men, for this is little enough, I shall go to Guale, where Ludunier and Juan Rivao's son are, and endeavor to take their fort and expel them from the land before they can be succored from France. [2] Carlstak ( talk) 12:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The "Proposed alternative location" section of the article has reached the point of undue weight with its treatment of these unsupported claims as serious research. Similarly to the fabricated "debate" between evolutionary biologists and defenders of so-called "Intelligent Design", there is no debate among credentialed archeologists and historians about the location of Fort Caroline as being in present-day Florida, or about the early location of St. Augustine. Crowe and Spring appear to have plagiarized, or borrowed heavily from the writings of Richard Thornton, an architect and city planner with no credentials as an archeologist or historian, according to his profile at examiner.com/architecture-and-design-in-national/richard-thornton.
I first became aware of these bogus, unsubstantiated claims more than a year ago when I came across a site called bibleorigins.net [3] put up by Walter R. Mattfeld of Orange Park, Florida, which linked to the article titled Building this famous Florida attraction caused history to go astray at Examiner.com.
There seems to be a movement afoot with an agenda to push the "alternative location" of Fort Caroline in Georgia, supported by articles published at Examiner.com, a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist. It is a division of Clarity Media Group of the Anschutz Corporation, which is primarily owned by billionaire Philip Anschutz, a supporter of far-right causes and Christian activist who contributed $70,000 in 2003 to the Discovery Institute and who has agitated against the Kyoto Protocol. Carlstak ( talk) 18:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I have created the article " Spanish assault on French Florida" with much material about the Spanish attack on Fort Caroline. Carlstak ( talk) 22:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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