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Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. -- dashiellx ( talk) 11:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
From what I gather from other sources is that McKay, a long time HBC employee and step son-in-law of John Mclaughin boss of the HBC in the North west, was working as a private contractor and built Fort Boise on his own initiative. Have no knowledge of the busines agreement. Tinosa ( talk) 14:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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Google Books, for the bit reading "Thomas McKay's Snake Country brigade was trapping far to the east and met the party sent by Wyeth to select a site and built Fort Hall. McKay returned to Fort Vancouver and informed McLoughlin about the American acitivity." (actually I should move the footnote, the informing of McLoughlin is not specifically mentioned, just that McKay was leaving for Fort Vancouver.. I'll fix that now). Much of the story you mention is in that book, although there isn't anything about McKay after he left the future site of Fort Hall. When I read on p. 230: "On the 30th of July [1834], Mr. McKay and his party left us for Fort Vancouver", I made the perhaps unwarranted guess that McKay did return to Fort Vancouver, but then was apparently back at the Boise River in "the fall" (October? November?).
For people with an interest in this article may I suggest the following book: Bird, Annie Laurie (1990). "Old Fort Boise". Parma, Idaho: Old Fort Boise Historical Society. OCLC 962624.
It seems Mrs. Bird, as a reprepresenative of the Idaho Historical Society, received 15, June 1934 a document from the HBC titled " Manuscript History of Fort Boise"
Unforunately, Mrs. Bird does not present the entire transcript, but only excerpts. Perhaps she cherry picked info to make a point, a story or it was difficult to interpret many of McLoughlin's correspondence directed to French speaking people such as Payette. The information that is provided shows that after leaving the missionaries at Three island Crossing, McKay traveled to the Boise and did not return to Fort Vancouver until late 1835. From the information provided by Bird concerning the HBC Manuscript, there is not even a hint that McLoughlin instructed McKay to establish "Snake Fort", the name McKay gave his fort, or "Fort Boise" the name the HBC gave McKay's "Snake Fort" when they obtained it in 1837. (7, May 1836) Letter from McLoughlin to his superiors at HBC (HBC Manuscript History, pp1-2) "The only reason we allow Mr. McKay [to] establish River Boisse is because Fort Hall draws the trade away from the Nez Perces..." (Bird: "Old Fort Boise" (pp34-35).
I myself have been subject to this very odd situation. When driving up to the administrations building look closely,what do you see? Many people see it as a brick building with the white pillars and door...and then there are others that see it as a white smaller building with wood sideing and large white pillars and entrance.Which is it? I have been looking for old historical pictures of the buildings but havent had much luck.When I went to see a member of the administration team I asked her what color and shape the building was,after and odd look or two She discribed it as a square, white building.I told her thats what I belived too,but I had also seen it as a modern brick building.When we went out side for lunch I asked her what the building looked like she turned and almost fell down.The building was a modern but older looking brick building....we discussed for hours at lunch how odd what we had seen was.If any one eles has seen this please document it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.176.90 ( talk) 21:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. -- dashiellx ( talk) 11:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
From what I gather from other sources is that McKay, a long time HBC employee and step son-in-law of John Mclaughin boss of the HBC in the North west, was working as a private contractor and built Fort Boise on his own initiative. Have no knowledge of the busines agreement. Tinosa ( talk) 14:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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Google Books, for the bit reading "Thomas McKay's Snake Country brigade was trapping far to the east and met the party sent by Wyeth to select a site and built Fort Hall. McKay returned to Fort Vancouver and informed McLoughlin about the American acitivity." (actually I should move the footnote, the informing of McLoughlin is not specifically mentioned, just that McKay was leaving for Fort Vancouver.. I'll fix that now). Much of the story you mention is in that book, although there isn't anything about McKay after he left the future site of Fort Hall. When I read on p. 230: "On the 30th of July [1834], Mr. McKay and his party left us for Fort Vancouver", I made the perhaps unwarranted guess that McKay did return to Fort Vancouver, but then was apparently back at the Boise River in "the fall" (October? November?).
For people with an interest in this article may I suggest the following book: Bird, Annie Laurie (1990). "Old Fort Boise". Parma, Idaho: Old Fort Boise Historical Society. OCLC 962624.
It seems Mrs. Bird, as a reprepresenative of the Idaho Historical Society, received 15, June 1934 a document from the HBC titled " Manuscript History of Fort Boise"
Unforunately, Mrs. Bird does not present the entire transcript, but only excerpts. Perhaps she cherry picked info to make a point, a story or it was difficult to interpret many of McLoughlin's correspondence directed to French speaking people such as Payette. The information that is provided shows that after leaving the missionaries at Three island Crossing, McKay traveled to the Boise and did not return to Fort Vancouver until late 1835. From the information provided by Bird concerning the HBC Manuscript, there is not even a hint that McLoughlin instructed McKay to establish "Snake Fort", the name McKay gave his fort, or "Fort Boise" the name the HBC gave McKay's "Snake Fort" when they obtained it in 1837. (7, May 1836) Letter from McLoughlin to his superiors at HBC (HBC Manuscript History, pp1-2) "The only reason we allow Mr. McKay [to] establish River Boisse is because Fort Hall draws the trade away from the Nez Perces..." (Bird: "Old Fort Boise" (pp34-35).
I myself have been subject to this very odd situation. When driving up to the administrations building look closely,what do you see? Many people see it as a brick building with the white pillars and door...and then there are others that see it as a white smaller building with wood sideing and large white pillars and entrance.Which is it? I have been looking for old historical pictures of the buildings but havent had much luck.When I went to see a member of the administration team I asked her what color and shape the building was,after and odd look or two She discribed it as a square, white building.I told her thats what I belived too,but I had also seen it as a modern brick building.When we went out side for lunch I asked her what the building looked like she turned and almost fell down.The building was a modern but older looking brick building....we discussed for hours at lunch how odd what we had seen was.If any one eles has seen this please document it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.176.90 ( talk) 21:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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