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Tone This reads like propaganda. Shall we also make List of everyone that's not supported the Moroccan king? - Justin (koavf)· T· C· M 15:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
i agree that this article is exceptionally corny, and obvious propaganda, but at least its better than wikima/jalil trying to cram their lists into normal articles. either way, the intro quote is obviously POV and should be amended. the list, further, is most of all pointless, since most of these people have only been known in morocco since AFTER they defected and were presented as stars by the regime media, and are not known at all outside of it. (with a few exceptions, as i have mentioned: hadrami, ayoub etc.). also it is flawed. for example, baba sayed to the best of my knowledge lives in canada, not mauritania. who came up with that? and he is extremely active not on behalf of morocco, but as a pro-independence activist, even if he is active outside of polisario. Arre 19:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Arre and koavf Let's cut this short:
Bear in mind that the subject is very important for the WS topic, and I fully understand your concern about such a list, because it brings the picture closer to the reader: No independence movement has known such a bleeding. There must be something wrong in the basic claim of the Polisario that its founders and high ranking officials return to Morocco and start defending the Moroccan identity of the Sahara.-- A Jalil 20:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
All this article seems to be is a hit list for SADR extremists. There is no reason to publish this, as it puts at risk the lives of independent individuals who made a choice. RideABicycle 03:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose to rename "List of Polisario defectors" and move it to "Former members of Polisario". The expression "defector" is not neutral, but has negative connotations. Whether changing parties in this instance is positive or negative depends on your Point of View. The name of the article, therefore, is not correct. S710 20:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi S710,
Support I agree with S710. You can go ahead and move it from my part.-- A Jalil 21:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
A quick look at some online dictionaries: To defect:
defector:
All a very negative pov. S710 22:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
S710 / Jalil,
Wikipedia: "Debates are described, represented, and characterized, but not engaged in. Background is provided on who believes what and why." That's why it is relevant to see which newsmedia are providing the information. (visible url's) It's also important to present all relevant information about the context. That's also the reason why I added the concluding paragraph. Transparency is important. S710 10:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for this. I didn't see the last change was yours as you apparently weren't loged in (?).
My remarks are:
Well, the article could use some articles from abroad. Also: There are some notes from mincom which is the Moroccan ministry of communication. That should be made clear to the reader. Maybe also include see also list of Moroccan newspapers? Good luck. S710 22:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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Tone This reads like propaganda. Shall we also make List of everyone that's not supported the Moroccan king? - Justin (koavf)· T· C· M 15:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
i agree that this article is exceptionally corny, and obvious propaganda, but at least its better than wikima/jalil trying to cram their lists into normal articles. either way, the intro quote is obviously POV and should be amended. the list, further, is most of all pointless, since most of these people have only been known in morocco since AFTER they defected and were presented as stars by the regime media, and are not known at all outside of it. (with a few exceptions, as i have mentioned: hadrami, ayoub etc.). also it is flawed. for example, baba sayed to the best of my knowledge lives in canada, not mauritania. who came up with that? and he is extremely active not on behalf of morocco, but as a pro-independence activist, even if he is active outside of polisario. Arre 19:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Arre and koavf Let's cut this short:
Bear in mind that the subject is very important for the WS topic, and I fully understand your concern about such a list, because it brings the picture closer to the reader: No independence movement has known such a bleeding. There must be something wrong in the basic claim of the Polisario that its founders and high ranking officials return to Morocco and start defending the Moroccan identity of the Sahara.-- A Jalil 20:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
All this article seems to be is a hit list for SADR extremists. There is no reason to publish this, as it puts at risk the lives of independent individuals who made a choice. RideABicycle 03:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose to rename "List of Polisario defectors" and move it to "Former members of Polisario". The expression "defector" is not neutral, but has negative connotations. Whether changing parties in this instance is positive or negative depends on your Point of View. The name of the article, therefore, is not correct. S710 20:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi S710,
Support I agree with S710. You can go ahead and move it from my part.-- A Jalil 21:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
A quick look at some online dictionaries: To defect:
defector:
All a very negative pov. S710 22:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
S710 / Jalil,
Wikipedia: "Debates are described, represented, and characterized, but not engaged in. Background is provided on who believes what and why." That's why it is relevant to see which newsmedia are providing the information. (visible url's) It's also important to present all relevant information about the context. That's also the reason why I added the concluding paragraph. Transparency is important. S710 10:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for this. I didn't see the last change was yours as you apparently weren't loged in (?).
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Well, the article could use some articles from abroad. Also: There are some notes from mincom which is the Moroccan ministry of communication. That should be made clear to the reader. Maybe also include see also list of Moroccan newspapers? Good luck. S710 22:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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