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The main town and administrative centre for the forest is Cinderford, but the smaller but prettier town of Coleford is a busy centre, too. Is "prettier" NPOV? I don't know either of the towns, but might the local residents and organisations disagree that Coleford is prettier? Thryduulf 13:32, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is it all in England? There's a bit that's very close to Monmouth that I always thought was in Monmouthshire. It could just be woodland connected to the Forest though.
I've removed two instances of the Forest being represented in fiction. Whilst such representations may occasionally achieve fame on a par with, for instance, the Yorkshire Moors' association with Wuthering Heights, it probably isn't a good idea to get into the habit of adding such references. -- Tony Sidaway 02:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't mention be made of the way that much of Gloucestershire has quite a suspicious attitude towards the Forest? RobbieG 19:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Please join our project to upgrade Gloucestershire-related articles to featured status. Trap The Drum Wonder( talk) 16:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
The article states that Newent is in the Forest of Dean, but I dont think this is right - as it seems quite a distance away from the rest of the forest - and wonder what foresters think or what the facts are. Glowplug1 ( talk) 06:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Per the above discussion on Newent, I've put a tag on the Towns and villages section. This article should cover the area of (and immediately adjoining) the historic Forest, in my view, not the larger local authority area. If others agree, the list of towns and villages needs to be pruned to exclude those places, such as Newent, which are outside that area. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
As a side issue, I do feel that there should be space in the article for attractions such as Lydney Park and the model village. Any suggestions on how these might be incorporated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obscurasky ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I've removed two references from the media section; "The area is reported to have an exceptionally large level of paranormal activity......" and "It is also suggested in the media that the Forest and surrounding areas are 'backward', with incest and other acts being fairly prevalent".
The claims are not encyclopaedic, are not demonstrated as being relevant to media section, and are uncited.
On the subject of media; there is much which could be added here. Obscurasky ( talk) 07:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've cleaned up this section, so that all the names come first on each line; I've removed internal links on the village names (as all are already linked earlier on the page) and I've added Warren James and David Mushet to the list. For want of a better system, I've also put them in alphabetical order - it's better than the random order they were in, but with hindsight chronological order might be better. Obscurasky ( talk) 22:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Andrew Davis did not "reboot" Dr Who it's Russell T Davis!!! Intresting though that like all of my favourite programs have at some point been filmed in the Forest!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.195.137.195 ( talk) 15:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
There's no mention of this, the defining folk tale from the Forest. This genuinely should be described at length. Any locals on here able to recount it fully? The Forest has quite a unique closed mentality that doesn't seem to have been picked up on the internet.
A few references...
[ [1]]
[ [2]]
[ [3]]
[ [4]]
Ezkerraldean ( talk) 02:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
There's no mention of the geology of the area. Is anyone here sufficiently infored to write a section on this important aspect of the Forest? Obscurasky ( talk) 07:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
"As of October 8th 2010, the first ever woman has won the right to be classified as a Freeminer."
What's with all the "as of" everywhere? Wikipedia is not a newspaper. If you need to specify a date, why not say "on 8th October 2010, such and such happened".
Also, I seriously doubt that she was the first ever woman. Women have walked this earth for hundreds of thousands of years.
I don't know the facts to fix this section, but it does need fixing. Tomalak Geret'kal ( talk) 09:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I couldn't find any record of archaeological investigation or other reliable sources to confirm this, although a local "development plan" makes the claim which, although unsourced, I suspect came from here. Can anyone help? -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 08:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I hit a wrong key when doing the edit summary. Anyway, the fact that someone makes a claim about something doesn't make it true, or encyclopedic. In fact, the claim made by Andrew Gardiner is both unreferenced and total bollocks. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Official Twitter Link for Forest of Dean was supplied.
For some reason Old Moonraker cannot see the relevance of the link and assumes it to be SPAM. It is not. It provides news, events, discussion and information just as the Link to The Forester Newspaper does.
I would like to know on what basis, you are removing this link. Precisely what basis, dont just link to a list of reasons why a link might be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.2.228 ( talk) 12:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Its is complete not-for-profit Twitter account run by volunteers providing news, views and support for local business - for the good of the community and all aspects of the Twitter feed are FREE OF CHARGE. Twitter accounts are only verified if their is a risk of impersonation or for some commercial reasons and in addition its a process entirely controlled by Twitter themselves - many famous and official companies are still not verified.
If WikiPedia of all people cannot see the value of such an operation like Forest of Dean Twitter then its a sad world.
I would like to know how to appeal and how to lodge a complaint regarding this decision. Also - please be aware that the newspaper in the links section is entirely COMMERCIAL as is the Tourism website listed so I really think the decision not to allow is flawed.
Also take note that I am a Forester - I live in the Forest and nobody knows the relevance of the information here better than me!
Theforestofdean ( talk) 15:52, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
There is no advertising involved. If asked we will retweet any local business offers, but equally we will also retweet opinions on subjects and ask opinions also.
To clarify: We are not spam, we are not commercial, we dont do advertising either: we are simply here for local Foresters and community as a point of information and discussion.
Everytime I clarify a point it seems the goal posts are moved. The link was originally removed for being WP:SPAM, now that its established its not SPAM but a genuine Twitter feed with many Genuine Forester followers, it seems its been removed for some other vague reasons.
Can we establish in plain speak what those reasons are in relation to Wikipedia Policy please?
Theforestofdean ( talk) 16:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I read the Policy, however "Generally" to me doesnt mean in all instances. In an instance where there is, for example, relevant interest and of value, of which nearly 1000 Foresters would agree that the Forest of Dean Twitter does. I also find it illogical that the newspaper that gets a mention, isnt the main newspaper of the region and most read, most distributed (being the Forest Review) does not.
How is there a conflict of interest?! Wikipedia is free, Forest of Dean Twitter is free. Both provide information on The Forest of Dean. Forest of Dean Twitter provides information, news and views from all areas of the Forest of Dean, including Historical and District.
Also, if people are going to quote other Official websites, can we have links, otherwise it results in lots of back and forth for clarification.
So how do we escalate this to mediation ? Theforestofdean ( talk) 21:13, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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The Welsh translation in the English article is "Coedwig y Deon" yet under Cymraeg [1], has it as Fforest y Ddena. and it seems unlikely that these are both synonyms in use or one is an older way of saying it (like Kampuchea/ Cambodia).
Looking at the source for the Welsh translation on the Englsh page ("Coedwig y Deon")- it is a translation dictionaty from 1861 (firstly quite outdated), and looking at the definition on Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Univerisity of Wales Dictionary) [2], it has 'Deon' down as meaning 'dean' in the sense of Nursing or a faculty head, and may be an erronous, literal translation from the author of the dictionary, rather than a natural Toponym.
Not least: in the actual source "[1]" [3], it does not list "Forest of Dean", "Fforest y Ddena", nor "Coedwig y Deon", and I believe this is just a case of bad translation, presumably by someone with very limited knowledge on the Welsh Language, Etymology, or Translation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackass cooper ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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The main town and administrative centre for the forest is Cinderford, but the smaller but prettier town of Coleford is a busy centre, too. Is "prettier" NPOV? I don't know either of the towns, but might the local residents and organisations disagree that Coleford is prettier? Thryduulf 13:32, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is it all in England? There's a bit that's very close to Monmouth that I always thought was in Monmouthshire. It could just be woodland connected to the Forest though.
I've removed two instances of the Forest being represented in fiction. Whilst such representations may occasionally achieve fame on a par with, for instance, the Yorkshire Moors' association with Wuthering Heights, it probably isn't a good idea to get into the habit of adding such references. -- Tony Sidaway 02:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't mention be made of the way that much of Gloucestershire has quite a suspicious attitude towards the Forest? RobbieG 19:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Please join our project to upgrade Gloucestershire-related articles to featured status. Trap The Drum Wonder( talk) 16:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
The article states that Newent is in the Forest of Dean, but I dont think this is right - as it seems quite a distance away from the rest of the forest - and wonder what foresters think or what the facts are. Glowplug1 ( talk) 06:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Per the above discussion on Newent, I've put a tag on the Towns and villages section. This article should cover the area of (and immediately adjoining) the historic Forest, in my view, not the larger local authority area. If others agree, the list of towns and villages needs to be pruned to exclude those places, such as Newent, which are outside that area. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
As a side issue, I do feel that there should be space in the article for attractions such as Lydney Park and the model village. Any suggestions on how these might be incorporated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obscurasky ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I've removed two references from the media section; "The area is reported to have an exceptionally large level of paranormal activity......" and "It is also suggested in the media that the Forest and surrounding areas are 'backward', with incest and other acts being fairly prevalent".
The claims are not encyclopaedic, are not demonstrated as being relevant to media section, and are uncited.
On the subject of media; there is much which could be added here. Obscurasky ( talk) 07:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've cleaned up this section, so that all the names come first on each line; I've removed internal links on the village names (as all are already linked earlier on the page) and I've added Warren James and David Mushet to the list. For want of a better system, I've also put them in alphabetical order - it's better than the random order they were in, but with hindsight chronological order might be better. Obscurasky ( talk) 22:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Andrew Davis did not "reboot" Dr Who it's Russell T Davis!!! Intresting though that like all of my favourite programs have at some point been filmed in the Forest!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.195.137.195 ( talk) 15:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
There's no mention of this, the defining folk tale from the Forest. This genuinely should be described at length. Any locals on here able to recount it fully? The Forest has quite a unique closed mentality that doesn't seem to have been picked up on the internet.
A few references...
[ [1]]
[ [2]]
[ [3]]
[ [4]]
Ezkerraldean ( talk) 02:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
There's no mention of the geology of the area. Is anyone here sufficiently infored to write a section on this important aspect of the Forest? Obscurasky ( talk) 07:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
"As of October 8th 2010, the first ever woman has won the right to be classified as a Freeminer."
What's with all the "as of" everywhere? Wikipedia is not a newspaper. If you need to specify a date, why not say "on 8th October 2010, such and such happened".
Also, I seriously doubt that she was the first ever woman. Women have walked this earth for hundreds of thousands of years.
I don't know the facts to fix this section, but it does need fixing. Tomalak Geret'kal ( talk) 09:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I couldn't find any record of archaeological investigation or other reliable sources to confirm this, although a local "development plan" makes the claim which, although unsourced, I suspect came from here. Can anyone help? -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 08:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I hit a wrong key when doing the edit summary. Anyway, the fact that someone makes a claim about something doesn't make it true, or encyclopedic. In fact, the claim made by Andrew Gardiner is both unreferenced and total bollocks. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Official Twitter Link for Forest of Dean was supplied.
For some reason Old Moonraker cannot see the relevance of the link and assumes it to be SPAM. It is not. It provides news, events, discussion and information just as the Link to The Forester Newspaper does.
I would like to know on what basis, you are removing this link. Precisely what basis, dont just link to a list of reasons why a link might be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.2.228 ( talk) 12:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Its is complete not-for-profit Twitter account run by volunteers providing news, views and support for local business - for the good of the community and all aspects of the Twitter feed are FREE OF CHARGE. Twitter accounts are only verified if their is a risk of impersonation or for some commercial reasons and in addition its a process entirely controlled by Twitter themselves - many famous and official companies are still not verified.
If WikiPedia of all people cannot see the value of such an operation like Forest of Dean Twitter then its a sad world.
I would like to know how to appeal and how to lodge a complaint regarding this decision. Also - please be aware that the newspaper in the links section is entirely COMMERCIAL as is the Tourism website listed so I really think the decision not to allow is flawed.
Also take note that I am a Forester - I live in the Forest and nobody knows the relevance of the information here better than me!
Theforestofdean ( talk) 15:52, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
There is no advertising involved. If asked we will retweet any local business offers, but equally we will also retweet opinions on subjects and ask opinions also.
To clarify: We are not spam, we are not commercial, we dont do advertising either: we are simply here for local Foresters and community as a point of information and discussion.
Everytime I clarify a point it seems the goal posts are moved. The link was originally removed for being WP:SPAM, now that its established its not SPAM but a genuine Twitter feed with many Genuine Forester followers, it seems its been removed for some other vague reasons.
Can we establish in plain speak what those reasons are in relation to Wikipedia Policy please?
Theforestofdean ( talk) 16:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I read the Policy, however "Generally" to me doesnt mean in all instances. In an instance where there is, for example, relevant interest and of value, of which nearly 1000 Foresters would agree that the Forest of Dean Twitter does. I also find it illogical that the newspaper that gets a mention, isnt the main newspaper of the region and most read, most distributed (being the Forest Review) does not.
How is there a conflict of interest?! Wikipedia is free, Forest of Dean Twitter is free. Both provide information on The Forest of Dean. Forest of Dean Twitter provides information, news and views from all areas of the Forest of Dean, including Historical and District.
Also, if people are going to quote other Official websites, can we have links, otherwise it results in lots of back and forth for clarification.
So how do we escalate this to mediation ? Theforestofdean ( talk) 21:13, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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The Welsh translation in the English article is "Coedwig y Deon" yet under Cymraeg [1], has it as Fforest y Ddena. and it seems unlikely that these are both synonyms in use or one is an older way of saying it (like Kampuchea/ Cambodia).
Looking at the source for the Welsh translation on the Englsh page ("Coedwig y Deon")- it is a translation dictionaty from 1861 (firstly quite outdated), and looking at the definition on Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru (Univerisity of Wales Dictionary) [2], it has 'Deon' down as meaning 'dean' in the sense of Nursing or a faculty head, and may be an erronous, literal translation from the author of the dictionary, rather than a natural Toponym.
Not least: in the actual source "[1]" [3], it does not list "Forest of Dean", "Fforest y Ddena", nor "Coedwig y Deon", and I believe this is just a case of bad translation, presumably by someone with very limited knowledge on the Welsh Language, Etymology, or Translation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackass cooper ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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