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The article is written in a heroic tone not exactly suitable for an encyclopedia. It must be cleaned from colorful language. Mikkalai 20:00, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm in the process of doing that now. It is, however, difficult to expect the people who contribute these sort of articles to refrain from using nationalist tones or strong picturesque language and it is not one of the worst I've come across. Lstanley1979 ( talk) 00:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
== Similar anti-Soviet Eastern European resistance groups fought against Soviet and communist rule in Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Croatia and western Ukraine. Deleted CROATIA as it wasnt under Soviet or external Communist rule, neither there was such force that was not independent from Neonazi puppet state. -- 77.105.17.68 ( talk) 22:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
And shouldn't it be the NKVD rather than the KGB that gets referred to throughout? radek 01:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
yes, kgb dealed with these matters
KGB didn't exist until 1954. In most places in the article it should be NKVD, or MVD for 1946-1954. radek 03:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I've come across the KGB, MGB, MVD, and NKVD in various sources on this topic... as the article doesn't get into much detail about specific operations yet, for now it's probably fine to let the KGB article explain the history of the organization... heqs 01:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to do some work on this article soon. In the meantime I added a link to Vienui vieni ("Utterly alone"), a recent film about the Lithuanian Forest Brothers. See it if you get a chance, I really enjoyed it. Heqs 16:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article contain Soviet phrases, including names like "criminals", "fascists"? Xx236 07:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
"displaying executed partisans' corpses" isn't harsh. Harsh is when they deport thousands to Siberia or kill civilians. Xx236 07:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I do not get your Point - are you asking to rewrite this article in Soviet propaganda fashion? Or do you think that partisans deported people, and therefore it is not harsh do throw their bodies on the street? pleas formulate your opinion in more understandable way.-- Lokyz 11:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the Soviet POV should also be presented. Be bold, {{ Sofixit}}, etc. heqs ·:. 18:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
So describe the Soviet orders in neutral way. But the hate propaganda was a historical fact and should be mentioned. BTW - everyone knows Goebbels, why the Soviet propaganda, sometimes better than the German one, is underestimated? Xx236 15:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
The Forest Brothers, by and large, held no allegiance with any foreign power. Originally, many of them expected the Western Allies' help, and if that would have come, would likely adhered to whoever provided it — but this never happened. (See also Western Betrayal.) They certainly didn't wage their guerrilla warfare for the benefit of Nazi Germany, though. Many continued for years after the end of World War II.
However, Soviet propaganda of the day found it very convenient to label them "lingering remnants of the Nazi army". Digwuren 14:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a Soviet book I read a while ago (I read the Polish translation under the title Róże kwitną czerwono but the book is still in a box of stuff in someone's basement in Łódź so I can't give the author's name or the Lithuanian title at all) which was a Soviet account of the post-war Lithuanian campaigns and the dilemmae the protagonists on both sides felt. Perhaps someone could help by filling in the blanks here, as for a Soviet novel, it was pretty daring. Lstanley1979 ( talk) 00:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think there is concensus for the major restructure of the article by User:Partisan1. Have reverted pending further discussion here. Martintg ( talk) 03:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
~In the box thing on the right it says Strength ~50,000, ought this not say estimated? given the actual lack of a full number for these guys? Veryborednow ( talk) 23:50, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
User Sander Säde chose to start a war to reinsert an obvious lie (interpretation of an article in American Lithuanian 1988 publication as "Investigation of newly-opened Soviet archives by Baltic historians in the 1990s"). Please note obvious discrepancies in dates. Seeing that edit history of the article is full of edit-warring, I prefer an independent user to review this particular paragraph and it's sources and resolve the edit dispute. Thank you in advance. 216.66.131.87 ( talk) 11:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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The final sentences under this heading makes no sense because one sentence says "Rather than surrender..." It appears that someone was attempting to tar the Russian Authorities with his murder. He WAS an Estonian Patriot. He was also wanted by the Authorities for sedition, murder, etc. Nathan Hale deserved to be hung by the British. This doesn't lessen my pride in him, and others...such as our Estonian... who ran for their lives or, having the opportunity, shot it out.
Please correct: "Instead of surrendering, he leaped into the stream and hooked himself to a log, drowning. The KGB insisted that Sabbe drowned while trying to escape, a theory difficult to credit given the shallow water and lack of cover at the site." ( Paleocon444 ( talk) 02:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC))
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The article is written in a heroic tone not exactly suitable for an encyclopedia. It must be cleaned from colorful language. Mikkalai 20:00, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm in the process of doing that now. It is, however, difficult to expect the people who contribute these sort of articles to refrain from using nationalist tones or strong picturesque language and it is not one of the worst I've come across. Lstanley1979 ( talk) 00:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
== Similar anti-Soviet Eastern European resistance groups fought against Soviet and communist rule in Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Croatia and western Ukraine. Deleted CROATIA as it wasnt under Soviet or external Communist rule, neither there was such force that was not independent from Neonazi puppet state. -- 77.105.17.68 ( talk) 22:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
And shouldn't it be the NKVD rather than the KGB that gets referred to throughout? radek 01:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
yes, kgb dealed with these matters
KGB didn't exist until 1954. In most places in the article it should be NKVD, or MVD for 1946-1954. radek 03:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I've come across the KGB, MGB, MVD, and NKVD in various sources on this topic... as the article doesn't get into much detail about specific operations yet, for now it's probably fine to let the KGB article explain the history of the organization... heqs 01:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to do some work on this article soon. In the meantime I added a link to Vienui vieni ("Utterly alone"), a recent film about the Lithuanian Forest Brothers. See it if you get a chance, I really enjoyed it. Heqs 16:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article contain Soviet phrases, including names like "criminals", "fascists"? Xx236 07:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
"displaying executed partisans' corpses" isn't harsh. Harsh is when they deport thousands to Siberia or kill civilians. Xx236 07:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I do not get your Point - are you asking to rewrite this article in Soviet propaganda fashion? Or do you think that partisans deported people, and therefore it is not harsh do throw their bodies on the street? pleas formulate your opinion in more understandable way.-- Lokyz 11:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the Soviet POV should also be presented. Be bold, {{ Sofixit}}, etc. heqs ·:. 18:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
So describe the Soviet orders in neutral way. But the hate propaganda was a historical fact and should be mentioned. BTW - everyone knows Goebbels, why the Soviet propaganda, sometimes better than the German one, is underestimated? Xx236 15:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
The Forest Brothers, by and large, held no allegiance with any foreign power. Originally, many of them expected the Western Allies' help, and if that would have come, would likely adhered to whoever provided it — but this never happened. (See also Western Betrayal.) They certainly didn't wage their guerrilla warfare for the benefit of Nazi Germany, though. Many continued for years after the end of World War II.
However, Soviet propaganda of the day found it very convenient to label them "lingering remnants of the Nazi army". Digwuren 14:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a Soviet book I read a while ago (I read the Polish translation under the title Róże kwitną czerwono but the book is still in a box of stuff in someone's basement in Łódź so I can't give the author's name or the Lithuanian title at all) which was a Soviet account of the post-war Lithuanian campaigns and the dilemmae the protagonists on both sides felt. Perhaps someone could help by filling in the blanks here, as for a Soviet novel, it was pretty daring. Lstanley1979 ( talk) 00:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think there is concensus for the major restructure of the article by User:Partisan1. Have reverted pending further discussion here. Martintg ( talk) 03:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
~In the box thing on the right it says Strength ~50,000, ought this not say estimated? given the actual lack of a full number for these guys? Veryborednow ( talk) 23:50, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
User Sander Säde chose to start a war to reinsert an obvious lie (interpretation of an article in American Lithuanian 1988 publication as "Investigation of newly-opened Soviet archives by Baltic historians in the 1990s"). Please note obvious discrepancies in dates. Seeing that edit history of the article is full of edit-warring, I prefer an independent user to review this particular paragraph and it's sources and resolve the edit dispute. Thank you in advance. 216.66.131.87 ( talk) 11:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
IN ESTONIA:
The final sentences under this heading makes no sense because one sentence says "Rather than surrender..." It appears that someone was attempting to tar the Russian Authorities with his murder. He WAS an Estonian Patriot. He was also wanted by the Authorities for sedition, murder, etc. Nathan Hale deserved to be hung by the British. This doesn't lessen my pride in him, and others...such as our Estonian... who ran for their lives or, having the opportunity, shot it out.
Please correct: "Instead of surrendering, he leaped into the stream and hooked himself to a log, drowning. The KGB insisted that Sabbe drowned while trying to escape, a theory difficult to credit given the shallow water and lack of cover at the site." ( Paleocon444 ( talk) 02:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC))
An image used in this article,
File:Bunker of lith partisans.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at
Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests April 2012
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<ahem>
http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-nazis-are-bad-period
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/01/02/nato-forest-brothers-movie-madness-worst/
https://www.stalkerzone.org/forest-brothers-nato-propaganda-video-openly-glorifies-baltic-nazi-collaborators/
https://thegrayzone.com/2017/07/20/nato-film-baltic-nazi-collaborators-forest-brothers/
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