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User:Jeff G. reverted my edit to the Ford Granada page. I reinstated what was deleted from the main body, but left the disputed info in the infobox for discussion. The conversions (already referenced as such in the main text) were executed by Coleman Milne and Woodall Nicholson. At least the Coleman Milne limos were sold as Coleman Milnes rather than Fords and were even given their own names (Minster, Grosvenor, Dorchester). Further sources for this include TAM (Quattroruote publication), World Cars 1977, L'Auto Journal Salon du Monde 1979, 1980 and 1981. Further proof that these conversions were never sold by Ford themselves can be found in any back issue of Autocar or Car with a pricelist (I need to dig one up). A potted history of WN and CM can be found here: aronline
Furthermore, other conversions such as Crayford's Cortina Convertible are listed in their infoboxes as conversions (although I don't think they belong there) or preferably, not placed in the infobox at all. By the standards seemingly proposed by the editors of the Ford Granada page, the Range Rover infobox should actually include two- and four-door convertibles (as converted by Rapport, Wood & Pickett), six-wheel versions (Carmichael, Rapport, Scottorn Trailers), pickup trucks (Carbodies, Wood & Pickett), and limousines (Wood & Pickett). Also, if the limos belong in the infobox, then Coleman Milne Minster, Grosvenor, and Dorchester should be included as AKAs. I also don't see the Coleman Milne wheelbase (3,656 mm) included in the infobox.
As a matter of fact, I believe that the onus is upon the original editor to prove that limos were ever offered by Ford Motor Company. The existence of hearse versions is in fact wholly undocumented; so was the existence of limos until I just now provided a reference. The proof of existence must come from those who provide the claims.
Perhaps a discussion of what the template is meant to include is also in order? Mr.choppers ( talk) 17:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Section comes across as an opinion piece and/or original research of the first-person (i.e. writer). Opinion or research from reputable sources is of course acceptable, but should come from third parties and the article/section should also include references (neither of which are the case here).
The content *appears* interesting and perceptive and may well be correct, but it's still quite clearly outwith the rules for OR and NPOV unless there is indication that it does meet them. Ubcule ( talk) 20:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Although I am not a 'verified' source...... whatever that actually means.... I can confirm the fact that (at least in the UK) the mark 2 Granada came with the 2.1 Litre Indirect Injection 'Indenor' diesel engine. I can confirm this as the father of a friend had a red 4 door saloon (V Reg) with a badge saying it was a '2.1 D' It was also an 'L' model......
In case anyone cares anymore..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.104.218 ( talk) 01:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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User:Jeff G. reverted my edit to the Ford Granada page. I reinstated what was deleted from the main body, but left the disputed info in the infobox for discussion. The conversions (already referenced as such in the main text) were executed by Coleman Milne and Woodall Nicholson. At least the Coleman Milne limos were sold as Coleman Milnes rather than Fords and were even given their own names (Minster, Grosvenor, Dorchester). Further sources for this include TAM (Quattroruote publication), World Cars 1977, L'Auto Journal Salon du Monde 1979, 1980 and 1981. Further proof that these conversions were never sold by Ford themselves can be found in any back issue of Autocar or Car with a pricelist (I need to dig one up). A potted history of WN and CM can be found here: aronline
Furthermore, other conversions such as Crayford's Cortina Convertible are listed in their infoboxes as conversions (although I don't think they belong there) or preferably, not placed in the infobox at all. By the standards seemingly proposed by the editors of the Ford Granada page, the Range Rover infobox should actually include two- and four-door convertibles (as converted by Rapport, Wood & Pickett), six-wheel versions (Carmichael, Rapport, Scottorn Trailers), pickup trucks (Carbodies, Wood & Pickett), and limousines (Wood & Pickett). Also, if the limos belong in the infobox, then Coleman Milne Minster, Grosvenor, and Dorchester should be included as AKAs. I also don't see the Coleman Milne wheelbase (3,656 mm) included in the infobox.
As a matter of fact, I believe that the onus is upon the original editor to prove that limos were ever offered by Ford Motor Company. The existence of hearse versions is in fact wholly undocumented; so was the existence of limos until I just now provided a reference. The proof of existence must come from those who provide the claims.
Perhaps a discussion of what the template is meant to include is also in order? Mr.choppers ( talk) 17:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Section comes across as an opinion piece and/or original research of the first-person (i.e. writer). Opinion or research from reputable sources is of course acceptable, but should come from third parties and the article/section should also include references (neither of which are the case here).
The content *appears* interesting and perceptive and may well be correct, but it's still quite clearly outwith the rules for OR and NPOV unless there is indication that it does meet them. Ubcule ( talk) 20:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Although I am not a 'verified' source...... whatever that actually means.... I can confirm the fact that (at least in the UK) the mark 2 Granada came with the 2.1 Litre Indirect Injection 'Indenor' diesel engine. I can confirm this as the father of a friend had a red 4 door saloon (V Reg) with a badge saying it was a '2.1 D' It was also an 'L' model......
In case anyone cares anymore..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.104.218 ( talk) 01:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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