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One editor added this giant piece of text concerning customization. It has some good info (but no sources), but isn't entirely in wikipedia style and is a bit long compared to the rest of the article... what to do in situations like this?
"There are several companies that have built their business around customization of the F-650. High quality conversion to 4 wheel drive is common as is stretching the chassis and cab similar to stretch limousines. Adding a third door and an extra row of interior seating is common, as is grafting the back part of the Ford Excursion onto the F-650 creating what is likely the worlds largest "SUV". Other popular options include custom bumpers, winches, satellite TV with multiple displays for each passenger and or a big screen (in the range of 40+ inches) on retractable mounting in the back for your tailgate parties. Multiple exterior cameras, extra driving, fog and back-up lighting, additional fuel in custom tanks allowing 200 or more gallons of fuel and much more. These hyper customized units can range in cost from about $80,000 for a basic low end model to $250,000 or more depending upon the model chosen, the equipment added and the company doing the conversion. These extreme customized vehicles are commonly found in the garages of movie stars, professional sports figures and other very wealthy persons with a desire to stand out in a crowd by having a very large and somewhat unique vehicle. MPG numbers quoted by the various customization companies for the vehicles is surprisingly high, usually in the range of 12 to 14 MPG burning diesel which is the fuel of choice for most any vehicle of this size. While 12 to 14 MPG seems low when compared to todays average car, when compared to something more in line with the design and use structure of the F-650, someting like a 4 wheel drive 1 ton truck, or Ford Excursion, that routinely gets 8 to 16 MPG depending on engine, gearing and loading, 13 MPG is right in the same range and the F-650 is not as suceptable to MPG reduction with load increase as is the much smaller 1 ton cousin so the end user is likely to see a fairly constant MPG reguardless of load. Surprisingly, the turning radius of the large F-650 is actually tighter than that of almost all "Normal size" pick up trucks and SUVs making the beastly size SUV much more manuverable than one might think. To find more information on these customized vehicles try searching for "Ford F650" and add, "4x4" or "XUV" or of course, "Customized"" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.163.143.28 ( talk) 06:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FeralLynX ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I have several ideas on how this article could be expanded.
Thoughts, ideas, votes? -- Brendanmccabe ( talk) 21:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Just because the CAT engine is no longer offered as of 2011 does not mean that the engine specs and information should be removed from the page. Vehicle articles still retains what engines and specifications the vehicle had before. This information should be returned, and should be specified as -2010. FeralLynX ( talk) 02:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm guessing this was likely copied off of the Ford website when the article was made, but what exactly are a "Pro Loader Kick-up Frame or Pro Loader Straight Frame" (as listed in the infobox)? --SteveCof00 21:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
This is a pretty big proposal, but I'm floating the idea of renaming this page. As it is written now (and has been for several years), this particular vehicle is but one generation of a line of vehicles. Something along Ford F-Series (medium duty) makes a lot of sense, as the other Ford F-Series articles tend to concentrate on the pickup trucks. This is something that would need some expert help, though. -- SteveCof00 ( talk) 07:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I think this fact: "Notoriety:A 1993 Ford F-700 was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing" belongs in this article because it is a notable fact about the vehicle's use and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which includes notable facts about a subject and its use.
The vehicle does not exist in isolation, but is part of the world, and notable facts about the use of the vehicle in the world, belong in an encyclopedia, even if criminal and should not blocked or censored. CuriousMind01 ( talk) 11:39, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Note This article is about the series of Ford medium duty trucks launched in 2000. The Oklahoma City bombing was in 1995. While F-700 redirects here it would appear that the Ford_B-Series page would be the appropriate place for this information assuming consensus for inclusion. Springee ( talk) 05:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I think the statements written by User:Dennis Bratland are valid, have due weight, and belong in an encyclopedia article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CuriousMind01 ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 7 September 2016 (UTC)-- CuriousMind01 ( talk) 13:41, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Ford B-Series is very clearly an article about Ford's bus chassis, not a medium-duty truck. The 1995-1997 medium-duty F-600, F-700 and F-800 have to go somewhere, and the best candidates are either this article, or Ford F-Series ninth generation. To keep it here, we explicitly expand the scope to cover both the current and the previous generation. This is the usual way we cover products that span several revisions, rather than have disjointed stubs all over for each refresh or facelift, and even major redesigns.
For now, the status quo is to cover those models here. Should we keep them here, or have Ford F-Series ninth generation as the main article on the F-600, 700 and 800? -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 02:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
A RFC posted at Project Automobiles is discussing the following question related to this article:
Here is the specific addition in question: [ [4]].
Springee ( talk) 19:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Have you ever not thought consensus was obvious? When two editors opposed you alone, you thought consensus was obvious, in your favor. When three opposed you alone, you thought consensus was obvious in your favor. When a couple more added !votes, some in your favor, you thought consensus was obvious -- surprise -- in your favor. Every few days, you again announced consensus was obvious.
When you're outvoted, you say it's "not a vote". When votes favor you, you say it is a vote. Heads you win, tails, you win. Springee, your opinion on when consensus is and isn't obvious is not reliable. The reason every single dispute you have must be settled by a third party arbiter or somebody getting blocked or banned is that you do not negotiate in good faith. You Wikilawyer every single step of the way and never give an inch. Obviously, a formal close is necessary. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 15:44, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
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One editor added this giant piece of text concerning customization. It has some good info (but no sources), but isn't entirely in wikipedia style and is a bit long compared to the rest of the article... what to do in situations like this?
"There are several companies that have built their business around customization of the F-650. High quality conversion to 4 wheel drive is common as is stretching the chassis and cab similar to stretch limousines. Adding a third door and an extra row of interior seating is common, as is grafting the back part of the Ford Excursion onto the F-650 creating what is likely the worlds largest "SUV". Other popular options include custom bumpers, winches, satellite TV with multiple displays for each passenger and or a big screen (in the range of 40+ inches) on retractable mounting in the back for your tailgate parties. Multiple exterior cameras, extra driving, fog and back-up lighting, additional fuel in custom tanks allowing 200 or more gallons of fuel and much more. These hyper customized units can range in cost from about $80,000 for a basic low end model to $250,000 or more depending upon the model chosen, the equipment added and the company doing the conversion. These extreme customized vehicles are commonly found in the garages of movie stars, professional sports figures and other very wealthy persons with a desire to stand out in a crowd by having a very large and somewhat unique vehicle. MPG numbers quoted by the various customization companies for the vehicles is surprisingly high, usually in the range of 12 to 14 MPG burning diesel which is the fuel of choice for most any vehicle of this size. While 12 to 14 MPG seems low when compared to todays average car, when compared to something more in line with the design and use structure of the F-650, someting like a 4 wheel drive 1 ton truck, or Ford Excursion, that routinely gets 8 to 16 MPG depending on engine, gearing and loading, 13 MPG is right in the same range and the F-650 is not as suceptable to MPG reduction with load increase as is the much smaller 1 ton cousin so the end user is likely to see a fairly constant MPG reguardless of load. Surprisingly, the turning radius of the large F-650 is actually tighter than that of almost all "Normal size" pick up trucks and SUVs making the beastly size SUV much more manuverable than one might think. To find more information on these customized vehicles try searching for "Ford F650" and add, "4x4" or "XUV" or of course, "Customized"" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.163.143.28 ( talk) 06:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FeralLynX ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I have several ideas on how this article could be expanded.
Thoughts, ideas, votes? -- Brendanmccabe ( talk) 21:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Just because the CAT engine is no longer offered as of 2011 does not mean that the engine specs and information should be removed from the page. Vehicle articles still retains what engines and specifications the vehicle had before. This information should be returned, and should be specified as -2010. FeralLynX ( talk) 02:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm guessing this was likely copied off of the Ford website when the article was made, but what exactly are a "Pro Loader Kick-up Frame or Pro Loader Straight Frame" (as listed in the infobox)? --SteveCof00 21:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
This is a pretty big proposal, but I'm floating the idea of renaming this page. As it is written now (and has been for several years), this particular vehicle is but one generation of a line of vehicles. Something along Ford F-Series (medium duty) makes a lot of sense, as the other Ford F-Series articles tend to concentrate on the pickup trucks. This is something that would need some expert help, though. -- SteveCof00 ( talk) 07:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I think this fact: "Notoriety:A 1993 Ford F-700 was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing" belongs in this article because it is a notable fact about the vehicle's use and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which includes notable facts about a subject and its use.
The vehicle does not exist in isolation, but is part of the world, and notable facts about the use of the vehicle in the world, belong in an encyclopedia, even if criminal and should not blocked or censored. CuriousMind01 ( talk) 11:39, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Note This article is about the series of Ford medium duty trucks launched in 2000. The Oklahoma City bombing was in 1995. While F-700 redirects here it would appear that the Ford_B-Series page would be the appropriate place for this information assuming consensus for inclusion. Springee ( talk) 05:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I think the statements written by User:Dennis Bratland are valid, have due weight, and belong in an encyclopedia article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CuriousMind01 ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 7 September 2016 (UTC)-- CuriousMind01 ( talk) 13:41, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Ford B-Series is very clearly an article about Ford's bus chassis, not a medium-duty truck. The 1995-1997 medium-duty F-600, F-700 and F-800 have to go somewhere, and the best candidates are either this article, or Ford F-Series ninth generation. To keep it here, we explicitly expand the scope to cover both the current and the previous generation. This is the usual way we cover products that span several revisions, rather than have disjointed stubs all over for each refresh or facelift, and even major redesigns.
For now, the status quo is to cover those models here. Should we keep them here, or have Ford F-Series ninth generation as the main article on the F-600, 700 and 800? -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 02:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
A RFC posted at Project Automobiles is discussing the following question related to this article:
Here is the specific addition in question: [ [4]].
Springee ( talk) 19:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Have you ever not thought consensus was obvious? When two editors opposed you alone, you thought consensus was obvious, in your favor. When three opposed you alone, you thought consensus was obvious in your favor. When a couple more added !votes, some in your favor, you thought consensus was obvious -- surprise -- in your favor. Every few days, you again announced consensus was obvious.
When you're outvoted, you say it's "not a vote". When votes favor you, you say it is a vote. Heads you win, tails, you win. Springee, your opinion on when consensus is and isn't obvious is not reliable. The reason every single dispute you have must be settled by a third party arbiter or somebody getting blocked or banned is that you do not negotiate in good faith. You Wikilawyer every single step of the way and never give an inch. Obviously, a formal close is necessary. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 15:44, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
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