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This article looks a little neglected. I would suggest the entire gray infobox in the past winners section is duplicate information and rather inelegant as well. JoelCFC25 18:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on the man of the match award? I think it is named after a former FA Secretary, and I know the recipient gets a trophy for it, but does anyone know any more? Mcauburn 11:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I added a section on the current campaign. I think that was a glaring omission, and seems endemic of Football articles outside of the "big" ones (World Cup, UEFA Champions League, UEFA Cup, FA Premier League, etc.) Tdslappy 22:01, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
I've put back the single table from the older version for a number of reasons:
I've also changed "champions" to "winners" throughout. Only league winners are "champions". "Past Winners of the League Cup" is consistent with the FA Cup article (though I admit little else is).
-- rbrwr
I've created Category:League Cup. Now that this category exists, it would be good if we can decide on a standardised naming system for its contents. Articles in Category:FA Cup Finals follow the FA Cup Final XXXX format, similar to the FA Cup season articles in Category:FA Cup.
League Cups are always better known as their sponsorship name (Rumbelows Cup, Worthington Cup, etc.) so I would personally recommend that naming convention, as with
Carling Cup 2006-07. As for the year, which could go before or after the cup name, I don't have a preference on either, as long as they're all the same format.
SLUMGUM
yap
stalk
20:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Other countries have league cups as well. Maybe we should create a disambiguation page (also given the fact that the official name of the League Cup appears to be Football League Cup)? I would define a league cup as a cup competition which is more restricted than the big domestic cup, usually the latter is open to a large number of clubs, while the former is often open only to clubs of the highest league. Examples include the DFB Ligapokal, the Scottish League Cup and the Football_League_of_Ireland_Cup. There should be more, in fact in any country where it is possible to win a domestic treble. Crix 02:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the most obvious point to make before the League Cup (now redirect) page is pointed away from the Football League Cup article is that there's a good few thousand links to correct if you want to do it. This is also a good argument for the English League Cup to occupy the "League Cup" page, with a link to a disambiguation page ( League Cup (disambiguation)) at the top of the article. This would be my preference. See Alan Smith as a good footballing example of this.
Every country has an " FA Cup", but I don't see you all calling for that page to be moved. Only a few countries have a "League Cup", of which the most high profile, by far, is the English cup. In my view this is political correctness at its worst.
So, my proposal is:
This:
Any comments? aLii 12:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The naming problem of the articles League Cup and Football League Cup seemed to be solved by someone. At this moment, League Cup is a disambiguation page and Football League Cup is about the English cup. However, I found out that the naming of the category had not reflected the change yet. Therefore, I renamed the Category:League Cup to Category:Football League Cup (I moved all the stuff inside to the new one, of course.). Moreover, I created Category:National football (soccer) league cups and put the league cups around the world (including Carling Cup and other league cups in the Template:National football (soccer) league cups) in it. In short, the articles and categories naming convention are now consistent. -- INTELer 11:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
This section is redundant to the current season's article. It shouldn't really be included in this article anyway. I'm gonna be bold and remove it. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 00:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Who the hell marked up as needing a citation the comment about the League cup being less prestigious than the FA cup? Whilst it may well be hard to find citable evidence to prove it, anyone who knows anything about football knows this is the case.
The FA Cup is the oldest cup competition in the world, not just England, it was in years gone by the FA Cup Final was the ONLY football match in the season to be televised in this country. It was and still is viewed around the world in numerous countries by millions of people - is anyone seriously going to try and claim that the same rich history and tradition can be applied to the League cup? One only needs to look at the reserve sides full of non first team regulars that are put into the competition by all of the big clubs to see this is the case. It is one of the main domestic trophies in England, but to suggest it's anything but a sideshow when compared to the FA cup is incredibly naive, stupid, or possibly both.
I know that wikipedia has strict guidelines, but I challenge anyone to find any football fan who is not aware of the fact that the profile of the League Cup is completely and utterly dwarfed by that of the FA Cup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.53.149 ( talk) 14:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
We don't write confrontational things like "Who the hell..." on wikipedia. We assume that people meant well. Wikipedia is writen by and for everyone in the world, not just football fans, so Aaron is certainly right. Not only is it not obvious to all six billion people in the world, but it is not the wiki way to make a comparison without reference, qualification etc. Now, if you think it is so obvious, someone reputable must have said so... Please find us a ref.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 11:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
To be fair though I understand the frustration, if things that are plainly obvious need citations, why not place citation needed alongside any statement no matter how obvious. Like the trouble about verifying this is that a lot of sources would be off mach build up on air as oppose to writen, a blog for example based on English soccer wouldn't explin that as it ould be obvious to the readers. I remember a player interview on Football focus, of a guy who was very pleased that he had won the Carling cup, (I think it was Drogba not 100 percent), and Henry explained to him that the FA cup was the big one —Preceding
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if you see it, it is self-explanatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.163.29.1 ( talk) 21:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
There's a new Carling Cup logo for the 09-10 season which has replaced the logo on this page. The logo is in use on www.football-league.co.uk/page/CarlingCup and www.carlingcup.com 80.238.0.145 ( talk) 20:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Please Add Ryan Giggs in the MOST APPEARANCE ON A FINAL:5 (1992, 1994, 2003, 2006, 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aznluvchrist ( talk • contribs) 19:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
This could stand with some fleshing out, especially with dates. It mentions a couple of names involved with this early history, and I suspect that those of you in England and Wales these names have some meaning. But those of us elsewhere have no idea of when these guys lives. Kind of like us mentioning Pete Rosell in the history of the SuperBowl. About the fourth or fifth paragraph down we get some mention of the 50s and it appears that the first one occurred in the 1960s sometime, but we don't know exactly when the idea first occurred and how long it took from first concept to implementation. Wschart ( talk) 22:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Grr, what about MK Dons 4-0 victory over Man U? BarroMan 13:19, 07 June 2015 (UTC)
What name(s) will the Football League Cup take from 2016–17 season? English League Cup or English Football League Cup? Tell me your thoughts. Santiago Claudio ( talk) 03:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Can anybody confirm when the Sponsorship began? The page says 82/83 season, but the match programme for the 1982 final says "Football League Milk Cup Final" on its front page and Liverpool were presented both the Football League Cup trophy and the Milk Cup trophy after the 1982 Final v Tottenham.
The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by a page mover) (non-admin closure). Anarchyte ( work | talk) 11:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Football League Cup → EFL Cup – The Football League was renamed at the end of the 2015–16 season as the "English Football League". As part of that rebranding, the league's subsidiary cup tournaments (the Football League Cup and the Football League Trophy) were also renamed as the "EFL Cup" and the "EFL Trophy" respectively. These names have been adopted by the media (see the BBC and the Guardian), and although the public may continue to refer to it as just the "League Cup", and some media will follow suit for familiarity purposes, that name on its own is ambiguous. "EFL Cup" is the only viable name now. – Pee Jay 11:05, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Below is the clause: As a result of the negotiating tactics, UEFA provided the League Cup winner with a place in the European competitions providing the team was in the first division. Birmingham won the League Cup and got relegated in the same season (2010/11) so when was this clause removed? Mobile mundo ( talk) 16:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Also, UEFA did not take over organisation of the UEFA Cup until 1971, therefore negotiating could not have been with UEFA for entry into what was the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup before 1971. - User: 86.8.190.197 00:06 23 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.150.121 ( talk)
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Efl cup is note better than UEFA Championds League 117.205.82.242 ( talk) 09:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
whenever I click on 2023-24 EFL Cup, it redirects to EFL Cup (main page) even though it's been confirmed who's in the 1st round Katherine Northey ( talk) 06:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
"the lead is supposed to summarise the entire article".
However, it is not supposed to carry every detail, otherwise the remainder of the article becomes superfluous. On the other hand some detail is worthy of repetition, maybe even necessary.
At Line 24, the introduction contains this rather long sentence; "Winners not only receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs, the current one also being the original but also qualify for European football: from 1966–67 until 1971–72 the winners received a place in the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, from 1972–1973 until the 2019–20 season in the UEFA Europa League (formerly the UEFA Cup) and starting with the 2020–21 season in the UEFA Europa Conference League." (pauses for breath!)
Further on in the article there is a sub-section titled Trophy
"The winners receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs – the current one also being the original, a three-handled Georgian-style urn with a separate plinth (added later)". It goes on to mention the makers (Mappin & Webb), that it weighs 2.976 kg. And then it gives the precise detail and reasons behind the three designs, and the return to the original design. It's all there, again, three times over to be sure.
So why does this particular background trivia (three designs...) also qualify for inclusion in the lead-summary?
At the risk of scoring an own-goal; in the Wikipedia article about the FA Cup, there is a similar conundrum (two designs, five actual cups...) and yet somehow that introduction is far more readable, and less like wading through treacle.
And when we come to the Wikipedia article about the FIFA World Cup there is even more history involving two designs, two thefts, and a dog called 'Pickles'. Yet strangely, that article completely avoids cluttering up the lead/introduction with any of that trivia, leaving it all to be mentioned further down in a sub-section titled (wait for it) Trophy.
I attempted a minor edit to the introduction for 'The EFL Cup', but my edit was undone. I have no intention of starting an editing war, so this is just an invitation to discuss the matter. Who knows, someone might persuade me to go the other way and add yet more words to the introduction so that it includes the weight, value, and the makers of the trophy, 'Mappin & Webb'. Then we can delete the 'Trophy' sub-section completely.
BTW - is The EFL Trophy a trophy, a cup, or an urn? WendlingCrusader ( talk) 18:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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This article looks a little neglected. I would suggest the entire gray infobox in the past winners section is duplicate information and rather inelegant as well. JoelCFC25 18:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on the man of the match award? I think it is named after a former FA Secretary, and I know the recipient gets a trophy for it, but does anyone know any more? Mcauburn 11:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I added a section on the current campaign. I think that was a glaring omission, and seems endemic of Football articles outside of the "big" ones (World Cup, UEFA Champions League, UEFA Cup, FA Premier League, etc.) Tdslappy 22:01, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
I've put back the single table from the older version for a number of reasons:
I've also changed "champions" to "winners" throughout. Only league winners are "champions". "Past Winners of the League Cup" is consistent with the FA Cup article (though I admit little else is).
-- rbrwr
I've created Category:League Cup. Now that this category exists, it would be good if we can decide on a standardised naming system for its contents. Articles in Category:FA Cup Finals follow the FA Cup Final XXXX format, similar to the FA Cup season articles in Category:FA Cup.
League Cups are always better known as their sponsorship name (Rumbelows Cup, Worthington Cup, etc.) so I would personally recommend that naming convention, as with
Carling Cup 2006-07. As for the year, which could go before or after the cup name, I don't have a preference on either, as long as they're all the same format.
SLUMGUM
yap
stalk
20:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Other countries have league cups as well. Maybe we should create a disambiguation page (also given the fact that the official name of the League Cup appears to be Football League Cup)? I would define a league cup as a cup competition which is more restricted than the big domestic cup, usually the latter is open to a large number of clubs, while the former is often open only to clubs of the highest league. Examples include the DFB Ligapokal, the Scottish League Cup and the Football_League_of_Ireland_Cup. There should be more, in fact in any country where it is possible to win a domestic treble. Crix 02:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the most obvious point to make before the League Cup (now redirect) page is pointed away from the Football League Cup article is that there's a good few thousand links to correct if you want to do it. This is also a good argument for the English League Cup to occupy the "League Cup" page, with a link to a disambiguation page ( League Cup (disambiguation)) at the top of the article. This would be my preference. See Alan Smith as a good footballing example of this.
Every country has an " FA Cup", but I don't see you all calling for that page to be moved. Only a few countries have a "League Cup", of which the most high profile, by far, is the English cup. In my view this is political correctness at its worst.
So, my proposal is:
This:
Any comments? aLii 12:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The naming problem of the articles League Cup and Football League Cup seemed to be solved by someone. At this moment, League Cup is a disambiguation page and Football League Cup is about the English cup. However, I found out that the naming of the category had not reflected the change yet. Therefore, I renamed the Category:League Cup to Category:Football League Cup (I moved all the stuff inside to the new one, of course.). Moreover, I created Category:National football (soccer) league cups and put the league cups around the world (including Carling Cup and other league cups in the Template:National football (soccer) league cups) in it. In short, the articles and categories naming convention are now consistent. -- INTELer 11:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
This section is redundant to the current season's article. It shouldn't really be included in this article anyway. I'm gonna be bold and remove it. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 00:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Who the hell marked up as needing a citation the comment about the League cup being less prestigious than the FA cup? Whilst it may well be hard to find citable evidence to prove it, anyone who knows anything about football knows this is the case.
The FA Cup is the oldest cup competition in the world, not just England, it was in years gone by the FA Cup Final was the ONLY football match in the season to be televised in this country. It was and still is viewed around the world in numerous countries by millions of people - is anyone seriously going to try and claim that the same rich history and tradition can be applied to the League cup? One only needs to look at the reserve sides full of non first team regulars that are put into the competition by all of the big clubs to see this is the case. It is one of the main domestic trophies in England, but to suggest it's anything but a sideshow when compared to the FA cup is incredibly naive, stupid, or possibly both.
I know that wikipedia has strict guidelines, but I challenge anyone to find any football fan who is not aware of the fact that the profile of the League Cup is completely and utterly dwarfed by that of the FA Cup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.53.149 ( talk) 14:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
We don't write confrontational things like "Who the hell..." on wikipedia. We assume that people meant well. Wikipedia is writen by and for everyone in the world, not just football fans, so Aaron is certainly right. Not only is it not obvious to all six billion people in the world, but it is not the wiki way to make a comparison without reference, qualification etc. Now, if you think it is so obvious, someone reputable must have said so... Please find us a ref.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 11:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
To be fair though I understand the frustration, if things that are plainly obvious need citations, why not place citation needed alongside any statement no matter how obvious. Like the trouble about verifying this is that a lot of sources would be off mach build up on air as oppose to writen, a blog for example based on English soccer wouldn't explin that as it ould be obvious to the readers. I remember a player interview on Football focus, of a guy who was very pleased that he had won the Carling cup, (I think it was Drogba not 100 percent), and Henry explained to him that the FA cup was the big one —Preceding
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if you see it, it is self-explanatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.163.29.1 ( talk) 21:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
There's a new Carling Cup logo for the 09-10 season which has replaced the logo on this page. The logo is in use on www.football-league.co.uk/page/CarlingCup and www.carlingcup.com 80.238.0.145 ( talk) 20:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Please Add Ryan Giggs in the MOST APPEARANCE ON A FINAL:5 (1992, 1994, 2003, 2006, 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aznluvchrist ( talk • contribs) 19:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
This could stand with some fleshing out, especially with dates. It mentions a couple of names involved with this early history, and I suspect that those of you in England and Wales these names have some meaning. But those of us elsewhere have no idea of when these guys lives. Kind of like us mentioning Pete Rosell in the history of the SuperBowl. About the fourth or fifth paragraph down we get some mention of the 50s and it appears that the first one occurred in the 1960s sometime, but we don't know exactly when the idea first occurred and how long it took from first concept to implementation. Wschart ( talk) 22:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Grr, what about MK Dons 4-0 victory over Man U? BarroMan 13:19, 07 June 2015 (UTC)
What name(s) will the Football League Cup take from 2016–17 season? English League Cup or English Football League Cup? Tell me your thoughts. Santiago Claudio ( talk) 03:51, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Can anybody confirm when the Sponsorship began? The page says 82/83 season, but the match programme for the 1982 final says "Football League Milk Cup Final" on its front page and Liverpool were presented both the Football League Cup trophy and the Milk Cup trophy after the 1982 Final v Tottenham.
The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by a page mover) (non-admin closure). Anarchyte ( work | talk) 11:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Football League Cup → EFL Cup – The Football League was renamed at the end of the 2015–16 season as the "English Football League". As part of that rebranding, the league's subsidiary cup tournaments (the Football League Cup and the Football League Trophy) were also renamed as the "EFL Cup" and the "EFL Trophy" respectively. These names have been adopted by the media (see the BBC and the Guardian), and although the public may continue to refer to it as just the "League Cup", and some media will follow suit for familiarity purposes, that name on its own is ambiguous. "EFL Cup" is the only viable name now. – Pee Jay 11:05, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Below is the clause: As a result of the negotiating tactics, UEFA provided the League Cup winner with a place in the European competitions providing the team was in the first division. Birmingham won the League Cup and got relegated in the same season (2010/11) so when was this clause removed? Mobile mundo ( talk) 16:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Also, UEFA did not take over organisation of the UEFA Cup until 1971, therefore negotiating could not have been with UEFA for entry into what was the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup before 1971. - User: 86.8.190.197 00:06 23 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.150.121 ( talk)
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Efl cup is note better than UEFA Championds League 117.205.82.242 ( talk) 09:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
whenever I click on 2023-24 EFL Cup, it redirects to EFL Cup (main page) even though it's been confirmed who's in the 1st round Katherine Northey ( talk) 06:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
"the lead is supposed to summarise the entire article".
However, it is not supposed to carry every detail, otherwise the remainder of the article becomes superfluous. On the other hand some detail is worthy of repetition, maybe even necessary.
At Line 24, the introduction contains this rather long sentence; "Winners not only receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs, the current one also being the original but also qualify for European football: from 1966–67 until 1971–72 the winners received a place in the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, from 1972–1973 until the 2019–20 season in the UEFA Europa League (formerly the UEFA Cup) and starting with the 2020–21 season in the UEFA Europa Conference League." (pauses for breath!)
Further on in the article there is a sub-section titled Trophy
"The winners receive the EFL Cup, of which there have been three designs – the current one also being the original, a three-handled Georgian-style urn with a separate plinth (added later)". It goes on to mention the makers (Mappin & Webb), that it weighs 2.976 kg. And then it gives the precise detail and reasons behind the three designs, and the return to the original design. It's all there, again, three times over to be sure.
So why does this particular background trivia (three designs...) also qualify for inclusion in the lead-summary?
At the risk of scoring an own-goal; in the Wikipedia article about the FA Cup, there is a similar conundrum (two designs, five actual cups...) and yet somehow that introduction is far more readable, and less like wading through treacle.
And when we come to the Wikipedia article about the FIFA World Cup there is even more history involving two designs, two thefts, and a dog called 'Pickles'. Yet strangely, that article completely avoids cluttering up the lead/introduction with any of that trivia, leaving it all to be mentioned further down in a sub-section titled (wait for it) Trophy.
I attempted a minor edit to the introduction for 'The EFL Cup', but my edit was undone. I have no intention of starting an editing war, so this is just an invitation to discuss the matter. Who knows, someone might persuade me to go the other way and add yet more words to the introduction so that it includes the weight, value, and the makers of the trophy, 'Mappin & Webb'. Then we can delete the 'Trophy' sub-section completely.
BTW - is The EFL Trophy a trophy, a cup, or an urn? WendlingCrusader ( talk) 18:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)